Your gripes with CoC II
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Yes. Terefore they fit the criteria of being stabby or slashy while maintaining fun. Also claw weapons tend to be more fun in games.
Is it just me or are there very, very few decent lust-based attacks? Song of Splendor is practically OP, Allure is very nice (it's the Lust Cleave), but other than that it's mostly super weak Black Mage spells. Also irrelevant add-ons on certain abilities and weapons (which if you're using those you're going for a Health win, not a Resolve win), like Wyvern Sting.
Sometimes I want to make a Resolve combat character, but then I remember... it's just gonna be the exact same build. Song of Splendor, Allure. And I'm going to have to switch to Health combat regularly anyway because there are things that aren't affected by lust combat... and many of those things are random encounters so I can't prepare for it. All in all, it completely discourages me from even trying.
I'd like a bit of variety there, and some sort of way to function against immune enemies with a lust-based party. It's a sex game, I think sex builds should be supported.
Sometimes I want to make a Resolve combat character, but then I remember... it's just gonna be the exact same build. Song of Splendor, Allure. And I'm going to have to switch to Health combat regularly anyway because there are things that aren't affected by lust combat... and many of those things are random encounters so I can't prepare for it. All in all, it completely discourages me from even trying.
I'd like a bit of variety there, and some sort of way to function against immune enemies with a lust-based party. It's a sex game, I think sex builds should be supported.
Specifically, one resolve move is OP (Song of Splendour), and another is quite good (Allure). You're not going to be defeating anything with Soul Arrow, Shadow Magic, or Carnal Hex.
Yes, but when some enemies are utterly uninterested in sex the fact that they're in a porn game does not matter. Shockingly, the devs have decided that they aren't going to allow you a single build that will work in all situations, as part of the gameplay balancing act..
Soul Arrow works wonders on Sigrune though, if you want to get past her with a sqishier or lower-leveled party. Well, it's probably no longer quite as good after a couple rounds of combat rebalancing but it's still a viable skill to use against enemies with less Resolve than Health and who can't be defeated by shaking your ass at them.
But they did allow it. If you make a good Health combat build, it is going to work in all situations because enemies that are resistant to Health combat are super weak to Resolve damage. I meet a slime with my Health combat party? I Tease it a few times and it's gone. And that's fine, no build should have to endure enemies that it just can't beat, especially if it's a random encounter.
Is the reverse true? If you meet something that's highly resistant to Resolve combat, is it super weak to Health combat? Nope. You meet a Golem, it's completely immune to Resolve and extremely resistant to Health combat. It's functionally invincible.
The Health combat party gets to do whatever they want, the Resolve combat party gets hardblocked. That's not balanced.
That's true, but can an entire ability's existence be justified because it's good in one encounter? Soul Arrow is otherwise pretty bad, and thematically it doesn't fit into a sexy build at all, if you're trying to seduce something the last thing you want to do is magically induce a headache.
That's another issue with the tiny selection of Resolve abilities, actually. There are two types of powers that attack Resolve (those that cause lust, and those that cause mental pain and terror) and they're thematically opposed.
Given that all the abilities that cause pain and terror are garbage, wouldn't it be better if Resolve were strictly a Lust thing?
Or maybe the whole Resolve system is still on the chopping block... it would be sad, but given that it currently rests on two strong powers and nothing else, I think it's a real possibility. There's comparatively very little investment into it, and I suspect no one wants to balance it (understandably, balance is super hard), so it might just get trashed at some point.
It really saddens me that it looks like we're going to end up with only one futa companion.
Two would be nice. I mean, more would be great, but at least one that wasn't so...Arona.
Two would be nice. I mean, more would be great, but at least one that wasn't so...Arona.
There are other 2 coming. Berwyn will be able to become futa and Agni, future phoenix companion, will also be able to grow a shaft. Both of them are written by B. So no worries there, you will not need to stuck with Arona.
Oh, that is a nice surprise!
I'd prefer full futas than futa optional, because they'll probably have less futa centric scenes, but heck, I thought there wouldn't be any, so I'm pretty excited now.
TheShepard256
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What about Etheryn? She has a dick - and if you don't count her because her chastity cage blocks her cock, it's going to come off eventually.
TheShepard256
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I've seen the term 'futa' be used to refer to any chick with a dick, regardless of whether they have a pussy. Under this logic, Etheryn counts. Personally, I prefer it that way since otherwise it'd be redundant to herm (or at least femherm) and we'd have no generic, single-word term for 'chick with a dick'.
I don't think that's doing to happen, considering how long resolve and resolve-based or related things have been in the game. Now, I'm like 95% certain that I've seen one of the higher ups (maybe Savin, maybe Fen, maybe even someone else, I'm not sure) basically just straight up say "Whatever the next game we make after this will just not have tease/lust combat because it's just such a pain" (paraphrased), but I don't think it'll get removed in this game.
Even without keeping up with developer comments, I'm definitely getting "We put it in but we deeply regret it" vibes. Certainly it would be a shame to scrap the whole thing at this point, so I think you're right, it's probably staying.
But it might be a while before someone starts working on it (i.e. nerfing Song of Splendor and adding a bunch of different, viable Lust powers in).
Hermaphrodite in japanese is futanari. It's literally the same thing, just in different languages. Don't confuse people anymore.
And Etheryn is not a futa, she's a half-sexed.
TheShepard256
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Ah. I forgot about that term when I was writing that post, though I've mostly only seen it used to refer to those without pussies.
'Hermaphrodite' comes from Greek mythology; he's the son of Hermes and Aphrodite, who got fused with a nymph (because she requested some other god to be with him forever, and Greek god being Greek gods...). The term is also used in the scientific community (specifically, biology) to describe individuals or species who have both male and female genitalia over the course of their lives, though I'm not sure if that definition applied to Hermaphrodite himself (and it definitely doesn't apply to any known humans). (It's also an outdated and offensive medical term for intersex.)
IIRC, 'futanari' means 'dual form' and in the English-speaking world seems to be much more common than 'hermaphrodite' in porn communities but doesn't pop up much outside them. And yes, people have used it to refer to non-hermaphrodites e.g. on rule34.xxx, there are currently over 13,000 images tagged 'futa_sans_pussy', which is nearly 5% of the over 273,00 tagged 'futanari' (which includes all variants e.g. without balls, without pussy, full-package), and I wouldn't be surprised if the actual number was higher due to untagged examples.
So even though the original intent was for futanari to be a synonym/translation for hermaphrodite, an argument can be made (and is currently being made, by me) that it has since evolved into something different. That kind of thing happens with language all the time.
Depends on which definition of futa you're using. If it's 'hermaphrodite' (like you're arguing), then no; if it's 'chick with a dick' (like I'm arguing), then yes. Calling her half-sexed is unambiguously correct, but that's a setting-specific term, so it's disingenuous to say that we can't call her a [insert generic term for 'chick with a dick' here].
According to some old patch notes I remember seeing, it was the Eternal Delusion. Somehow. It's a ranged catalyst that does 20 Mind damage so I'm not sure exactly how that would mess up Kasyrra, but apparently it did.
The very fact that the tag is specified "sans_pussy" suggests that the default state is with one, yeah? That would seem to go against what you're saying here.
Dick and no vagina - dickgirl. Both dick and vagina- futanari. As simple as that. Period.
TheShepard256
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I don't think it contradicts my argument. Having a default state does not imply that other states are invalid, unless it directly contradicts the definition of the term it's applied to; in this case, futanari, whose definition seems to vary between the individuals in this argument. I personally think it's similar to maleherms being a type of hermaphrodite despite not being the default type (which is femherm).
Besides, one could easily apply the exact same argument (i.e. 'it specifies a particular variant and is thus not the default') to both the "futa_sans_balls" and "full-package_futanari" tags, and that would leave all possible variations of futa as 'not the default state'. My point here? I dunno, I'm tired and trying to cover all my bases.
Simply making a statement without arguing for it, or addressing my arguments against it, isn't going to convince me; at least provide some evidence to support it.
Speaking of which, now that I've done an online search for the definition of futanari, it seems I am indeed in a minority here; Wikipedia, Wiktionary and at least two other dictionary/definition sites all use the term 'hermaphrodite' when describing it. However, I don't think that necessarily invalidates my PoV completely - there are several points that could potentially be used to justify a slightly broader definition:
- Wikipedia says it "is also used in a broader sense for androgyny"
- It also says that "it refers almost exclusively to characters who have an overall feminine body, but have both female and male primary genitalia (although testicles are not always present)"; note the 'almost', which implies that it can be used to refer to something else, but that only happens rarely
- It also specifically mentions gender-changing, ambiguous gender and cross-dressing in reference to its origin
- Wiktionary lists "intersexual" and "dickgirl" under its "See also" section, and Wikipedia does the same with "intersex"
Japanese, inventors* of futanari, don't use it referring to anything that doesnt have a vagina 99% of the time.
Word futanari has a definite meaning, it's not a broad term like intersex.
*If you treat hermaphrodite and futanari as different entities.
Because baka gaijins don't even try to understand what words from other languages mean and just shove strictly defined words into one pile with broad interchangeable terms.
I guess that "shemale" may be seen as enough of a slur to deem females with only masculine genitals. Personally, I dislike it (as well as "cuntboy"), but I find it more... expressive? "Dickgirl" would be the "Western" tern for a "futanari".
But, personally, I wish there could be a term which specifically refered to a sack-holding/ball-less dick wielder
But, personally, I wish there could be a term which specifically refered to a sack-holding/ball-less dick wielder
Futanari, by definition, have a penis and a vagina. "Hermaphrodite" would be the western term for it.
Here "dickgirl" would be the more ambiguous term, but it's usually used to refer to someone who looks mostly female but has a penis instead of a vagina. It really does sound much nicer than "shemale".
I personally avoid using "dickgirl" due to its ambiguousness. After all, female herms are girls (or women) with penises too.
Seriously though, I wish I could come up with better terms and spread them across the interwebs.
Vagentleman...? It sounds classy at least
Seriously though, I wish I could come up with better terms and spread them across the interwebs.
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