Your gripes with CoC II

[PudgyElderGod]

Disarm could just have some flavor text about how the enemy walks up and takes our gauntlet weapons off, throws them on the ground, and returns to their original position. I'd whine about being disarmed anyway so may as well keep it for fisticuffs.

That's such a hilarious mental image that it makes me want to run a "These Hands" champion if/when we ever get punching gauntlets. Hell, I might just save edit myself a pair of Garrett's hands.

Or a Siblings Mode, where instead of Calla it's the random do-gooder that came to help save her that gets yeeted into the portal. So you play as the Zetra sisters trying to show the newly arrived Kassyra what's what.

Throw in Salwah utilising the Dancer Silks' moveset and you really could have the All Jassiran Squad.

 

[SomeNobody]

If you wanna get technical, there are but they're exclusive to Garrett and can only be playable through the save editor. I'd love fist weapons though. Disarm could just have some flavor text about how the enemy walks up and takes our gauntlet weapons off, throws them on the ground, and returns to their original position. I'd whine about being disarmed anyway so may as well keep it for fisticuffs.

One of the gimmicks of fist weapons is they could be immune to disarm, as well as taking up both hand slots when equipped.
Apart from that they would probably tend towards being speedy lower damage weapons somewhat like daggers? Instead of being made for critty rogues they'd probably be more fast defensive warrior weapons unless they also came in "claw" variants.

 

[Burnerbro]

Realistically, gauntlet, knuckleduster or punch-dagger type weapons would have penalties to evasion and accuracy both to represent how much you give up in terms of reach and blocking surface. They will also need to have low pen (punch-daggers can be an exception there) and base damage to represent how poor they work as force projection implements compared to other melee weapons.

 

[Ancient Lurker]

You gotta admit that punching people is far less effective than stabbing or slashing them.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

You gotta admit that punching people is far less effective than stabbing or slashing them.

Yeah, but it's more fun. Especially if elemental punches. And why not clawed gauntlets.

 

[SomeNobody]

You gotta admit that punching people is far less effective than stabbing or slashing them.

You already have a move available to the Champion in the game that is punching someone, and it is quite effective.

 

[Ancient Lurker]

And why not clawed gauntlets.

Aren't claws do slashing damage?

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Aren't claws do slashing damage?

Yes. Terefore they fit the criteria of being stabby or slashy while maintaining fun. Also claw weapons tend to be more fun in games.

 

[VerySexyGrammar]

Is it just me or are there very, very few decent lust-based attacks? Song of Splendor is practically OP, Allure is very nice (it's the Lust Cleave), but other than that it's mostly super weak Black Mage spells. Also irrelevant add-ons on certain abilities and weapons (which if you're using those you're going for a Health win, not a Resolve win), like Wyvern Sting.

Sometimes I want to make a Resolve combat character, but then I remember... it's just gonna be the exact same build. Song of Splendor, Allure. And I'm going to have to switch to Health combat regularly anyway because there are things that aren't affected by lust combat... and many of those things are random encounters so I can't prepare for it. All in all, it completely discourages me from even trying.

I'd like a bit of variety there, and some sort of way to function against immune enemies with a lust-based party. It's a sex game, I think sex builds should be supported.

 

[wery12345]

Because resolve damage is fucking OP.

 

[zagzig]

Because resolve damage is fucking OP.

Specifically, one resolve move is OP (Song of Splendour), and another is quite good (Allure). You're not going to be defeating anything with Soul Arrow, Shadow Magic, or Carnal Hex.

 

[WolframL]

I'd like a bit of variety there, and some sort of way to function against immune enemies with a lust-based party. It's a sex game, I think sex builds should be supported.

Yes, but when some enemies are utterly uninterested in sex the fact that they're in a porn game does not matter. Shockingly, the devs have decided that they aren't going to allow you a single build that will work in all situations, as part of the gameplay balancing act..

Specifically, one resolve move is OP (Song of Splendour), and another is quite good (Allure). You're not going to be defeating anything with Soul Arrow, Shadow Magic, or Carnal Hex.

Soul Arrow works wonders on Sigrune though, if you want to get past her with a sqishier or lower-leveled party. Well, it's probably no longer quite as good after a couple rounds of combat rebalancing but it's still a viable skill to use against enemies with less Resolve than Health and who can't be defeated by shaking your ass at them.

 

[VerySexyGrammar]

Yes, but when some enemies are utterly uninterested in sex the fact that they're in a porn game does not matter. Shockingly, the devs have decided that they aren't going to allow you a single build that will work in all situations, as part of the gameplay balancing act..

But they did allow it. If you make a good Health combat build, it is going to work in all situations because enemies that are resistant to Health combat are super weak to Resolve damage. I meet a slime with my Health combat party? I Tease it a few times and it's gone. And that's fine, no build should have to endure enemies that it just can't beat, especially if it's a random encounter.

Is the reverse true? If you meet something that's highly resistant to Resolve combat, is it super weak to Health combat? Nope. You meet a Golem, it's completely immune to Resolve and extremely resistant to Health combat. It's functionally invincible.

The Health combat party gets to do whatever they want, the Resolve combat party gets hardblocked. That's not balanced.

Soul Arrow works wonders on Sigrune though, if you want to get past her with a sqishier or lower-leveled party. Well, it's probably no longer quite as good after a couple rounds of combat rebalancing but it's still a viable skill to use against enemies with less Resolve than Health and who can't be defeated by shaking your ass at them.

That's true, but can an entire ability's existence be justified because it's good in one encounter? Soul Arrow is otherwise pretty bad, and thematically it doesn't fit into a sexy build at all, if you're trying to seduce something the last thing you want to do is magically induce a headache.

That's another issue with the tiny selection of Resolve abilities, actually. There are two types of powers that attack Resolve (those that cause lust, and those that cause mental pain and terror) and they're thematically opposed.

Given that all the abilities that cause pain and terror are garbage, wouldn't it be better if Resolve were strictly a Lust thing?

Or maybe the whole Resolve system is still on the chopping block... it would be sad, but given that it currently rests on two strong powers and nothing else, I think it's a real possibility. There's comparatively very little investment into it, and I suspect no one wants to balance it (understandably, balance is super hard), so it might just get trashed at some point.

 

[Skandranon]

It really saddens me that it looks like we're going to end up with only one futa companion.

Two would be nice. I mean, more would be great, but at least one that wasn't so...Arona.

 

[Animalistic]

It really saddens me that it looks like we're going to end up with only one futa companion.

Two would be nice. I mean, more would be great, but at least one that wasn't so...Arona.

There are other 2 coming. Berwyn will be able to become futa and Agni, future phoenix companion, will also be able to grow a shaft. Both of them are written by B. So no worries there, you will not need to stuck with Arona.

 

[Skandranon]

There are other 2 coming. Berwyn will be able to become futa and Agni, future phoenix companion, will also be able to grow a shaft. Both of them are written by B. So no worries there, you will not need to stuck with Arona.

Oh, that is a nice surprise!
I'd prefer full futas than futa optional, because they'll probably have less futa centric scenes, but heck, I thought there wouldn't be any, so I'm pretty excited now.

 

[TheShepard256]

It really saddens me that it looks like we're going to end up with only one futa companion.

Two would be nice. I mean, more would be great, but at least one that wasn't so...Arona.

What about Etheryn? She has a dick - and if you don't count her because her chastity cage blocks her cock, it's going to come off eventually.

 

[Bast]

I think for a character to be considered a futa then that character also has to have a vagina along with that penis. Etheryn hasn’t.

 

[TheShepard256]

I think for a character to be considered a futa then that character also has to have a vagina along with that penis. Etheryn hasn’t.

I've seen the term 'futa' be used to refer to any chick with a dick, regardless of whether they have a pussy. Under this logic, Etheryn counts. Personally, I prefer it that way since otherwise it'd be redundant to herm (or at least femherm) and we'd have no generic, single-word term for 'chick with a dick'.

 

[Bast]

You learn something new every day.

 

[Skandranon]

I've seen the term 'futa' be used to refer to any chick with a dick, regardless of whether they have a pussy. Under this logic, Etheryn counts. Personally, I prefer it that way since otherwise it'd be redundant to herm (or at least femherm) and we'd have no generic, single-word term for 'chick with a dick'.

DIckgirl.

 

[Tide Hunter]

Or maybe the whole Resolve system is still on the chopping block... it would be sad, but given that it currently rests on two strong powers and nothing else, I think it's a real possibility. There's comparatively very little investment into it, and I suspect no one wants to balance it (understandably, balance is super hard), so it might just get trashed at some point.

I don't think that's doing to happen, considering how long resolve and resolve-based or related things have been in the game. Now, I'm like 95% certain that I've seen one of the higher ups (maybe Savin, maybe Fen, maybe even someone else, I'm not sure) basically just straight up say "Whatever the next game we make after this will just not have tease/lust combat because it's just such a pain" (paraphrased), but I don't think it'll get removed in this game.

 

[Bast]

Man, imagine both teams would be working on a single game. That would be quite something.

 

[VerySexyGrammar]

I don't think that's doing to happen, considering how long resolve and resolve-based or related things have been in the game. Now, I'm like 95% certain that I've seen one of the higher ups (maybe Savin, maybe Fen, maybe even someone else, I'm not sure) basically just straight up say "Whatever the next game we make after this will just not have tease/lust combat because it's just such a pain" (paraphrased), but I don't think it'll get removed in this game.

Even without keeping up with developer comments, I'm definitely getting "We put it in but we deeply regret it" vibes. Certainly it would be a shame to scrap the whole thing at this point, so I think you're right, it's probably staying.

But it might be a while before someone starts working on it (i.e. nerfing Song of Splendor and adding a bunch of different, viable Lust powers in).

 

[wery12345]

Also didnt some kitsune(but of course it would) do resolve stuff that made vibe checking Kas's resolve a joke?

 

[Ancient Lurker]

I've seen the term 'futa' be used to refer to any chick with a dick, regardless of whether they have a pussy. Under this logic, Etheryn counts. Personally, I prefer it that way since otherwise it'd be redundant to herm (or at least femherm) and we'd have no generic, single-word term for 'chick with a dick'.

Hermaphrodite in japanese is futanari. It's literally the same thing, just in different languages. Don't confuse people anymore.
And Etheryn is not a futa, she's a half-sexed.

 

[TheShepard256]

DIckgirl.

Ah. I forgot about that term when I was writing that post, though I've mostly only seen it used to refer to those without pussies.

Hermaphrodite in japanese is futanari. It's literally the same thing, just in different languages. Don't confuse people anymore.

'Hermaphrodite' comes from Greek mythology; he's the son of Hermes and Aphrodite, who got fused with a nymph (because she requested some other god to be with him forever, and Greek god being Greek gods...). The term is also used in the scientific community (specifically, biology) to describe individuals or species who have both male and female genitalia over the course of their lives, though I'm not sure if that definition applied to Hermaphrodite himself (and it definitely doesn't apply to any known humans). (It's also an outdated and offensive medical term for intersex.)

IIRC, 'futanari' means 'dual form' and in the English-speaking world seems to be much more common than 'hermaphrodite' in porn communities but doesn't pop up much outside them. And yes, people have used it to refer to non-hermaphrodites e.g. on rule34.xxx, there are currently over 13,000 images tagged 'futa_sans_pussy', which is nearly 5% of the over 273,00 tagged 'futanari' (which includes all variants e.g. without balls, without pussy, full-package), and I wouldn't be surprised if the actual number was higher due to untagged examples.

So even though the original intent was for futanari to be a synonym/translation for hermaphrodite, an argument can be made (and is currently being made, by me) that it has since evolved into something different. That kind of thing happens with language all the time.

And Etheryn is not a futa, she's a half-sexed.

Depends on which definition of futa you're using. If it's 'hermaphrodite' (like you're arguing), then no; if it's 'chick with a dick' (like I'm arguing), then yes. Calling her half-sexed is unambiguously correct, but that's a setting-specific term, so it's disingenuous to say that we can't call her a [insert generic term for 'chick with a dick' here].

 

[VerySexyGrammar]

Also didnt some kitsune(but of course it would) do resolve stuff that made vibe checking Kas's resolve a joke?

According to some old patch notes I remember seeing, it was the Eternal Delusion. Somehow. It's a ranged catalyst that does 20 Mind damage so I'm not sure exactly how that would mess up Kasyrra, but apparently it did.

 

[Skandranon]

IIRC, 'futanari' means 'dual form' and in the English-speaking world seems to be much more common than 'hermaphrodite' in porn communities but doesn't pop up much outside them. And yes, people have used it to refer to non-hermaphrodites e.g. on rule34.xxx, there are currently over 13,000 images tagged 'futa_sans_pussy', which is nearly 5% of the over 273,00 tagged 'futanari' (which includes all variants e.g. without balls, without pussy, full-package), and I wouldn't be surprised if the actual number was higher due to untagged examples.

The very fact that the tag is specified "sans_pussy" suggests that the default state is with one, yeah? That would seem to go against what you're saying here.

 

[Ancient Lurker]

'Hermaphrodite' comes from Greek mythology; he's the son of Hermes and Aphrodite, who got fused with a nymph (because she requested some other god to be with him forever, and Greek god being Greek gods...). The term is also used in the scientific community (specifically, biology) to describe individuals or species who have both male and female genitalia over the course of their lives, though I'm not sure if that definition applied to Hermaphrodite himself (and it definitely doesn't apply to any known humans). (It's also an outdated and offensive medical term for intersex.)

IIRC, 'futanari' means 'dual form' and in the English-speaking world seems to be much more common than 'hermaphrodite' in porn communities but doesn't pop up much outside them. And yes, people have used it to refer to non-hermaphrodites e.g. on rule34.xxx, there are currently over 13,000 images tagged 'futa_sans_pussy', which is nearly 5% of the over 273,00 tagged 'futanari' (which includes all variants e.g. without balls, without pussy, full-package), and I wouldn't be surprised if the actual number was higher due to untagged examples.

So even though the original intent was for futanari to be a synonym/translation for hermaphrodite, an argument can be made (and is currently being made, by me) that it has since evolved into something different. That kind of thing happens with language all the time.

Depends on which definition of futa you're using. If it's 'hermaphrodite' (like you're arguing), then no; if it's 'chick with a dick' (like I'm arguing), then yes. Calling her half-sexed is unambiguously correct, but that's a setting-specific term, so it's disingenuous to say that we can't call her a [insert generic term for 'chick with a dick' here].

Dick and no vagina - dickgirl. Both dick and vagina- futanari. As simple as that. Period.