Your gripes with CoC II

[Xenosium]

If Champ's horni and has already demonstrated a taste for this particular mino's dick, automatically fellating him doesn't seem like a particularly severe "punishment".

The way the initial encounter is phrased, it's clearly a "He's really on-edge because the entire place is swarming with imps. Maybe a kind BJ would calm him." not "I have a massive craving for minotaur cock down my throat at all times. If I so much as SEE a minotaur, and my face isn't at crotch level, my day is ruined." situation.

I wanted it to be a one-time thing, because a lot of encounters in this game are case-by-case basis. It would be like agreeing to do Elf sex with Hashat once and from then on without warning Hashat has a chance to show up and instantly and unconsentually rail you on the spot.

Admittedly you don't really NEED to use Livernus's boat at the moment, but considering how annoying the Undermountain enemies can get right now, going the long way might result in several losses depending on the situation.

 

[Prent]

The way the initial encounter is phrased, it's clearly a "He's really on-edge because the entire place is swarming with imps. Maybe a kind BJ would calm him." not "I have a massive craving for minotaur cock down my throat at all times. If I so much as SEE a minotaur, and my face isn't at crotch level, my day is ruined." situation.

I wanted it to be a one-time thing, because a lot of encounters in this game are case-by-case basis. It would be like agreeing to do Elf sex with Hashat once and from then on without warning Hashat has a chance to show up and instantly and unconsentually rail you on the spot.

Admittedly you don't really NEED to use Livernus's boat at the moment, but considering how annoying the Undermountain enemies can get right now, going the long way might result in several losses depending on the situation.

you might not need the boat, but it is by definitely the fastest way

 

[Afier]

The only thing that really annoys me about the game is how the combat system incentivizes going all-in on a single strategy as the difficulty of fights increases. The choice to balance endgame fights by giving single enemies multiple actions to compensate for the 3 on 1 nature of those fights actually narrows what viable parties are capable of more than anything else. Defense debuffs are worthless late game, unless every character can benefit from that debuff, and damage debuffs and CC become increasingly valuable as boss damage still scales up alongside actions. Unless you have the Unbreaking ult, there are fights that can you automatically lose despite having two revives in the fight if the boss uses the right sequence of moves and get the right rogue crits (seriously, my most recent playthrough of the Alissa bosfight had me lose first turn because my PC got oneshot twice across her three actions).

The devs have discussed diversifying in this thread, but that's almost never worth it because companions with more diverse kits are just worse at necessary roles than specialists. Atugia is a decent support tank, but since Brint/Brinne and Arona do so much damage to out threaten Guard Stance, she's worse than Witch Cait, who only loses out on group shielding, but makes up for it with group evasion buffs and better heals. Berwyn has it even worse, he's a jack of all trades, but that also means he's never the best pick for anything. Doing health damage? Brint/Brinne and Arona as previously mentioned, Passion Priest and Hexblade Cait are also much more powerful damage dealers and Passion also heals and shields. Resolve? There's a Cait for that, but also Honey Maiden Azzyran, and Quint. Healing? Even Outrider Ryn is more useful as a healer despite also just having Group Heal for healing because Aurora Arrow is a better ult for party support than Spirit Binder, and Ryn can do some AoE damage.

Also, there are enough Cait alt-outfits that she could complete the game on her own, so I'm going to request a Cait only mode, accessed by making a catfolk named Caitriss at character creation.

 

[Burnerbro]

Also, there are enough Cait alt-outfits that she could complete the game on her own, so I'm going to request a Cait only mode, accessed by making a catfolk named Caitriss at character creation.

Or a Siblings Mode, where instead of Calla it's the random do-gooder that came to help save her that gets yeeted into the portal. So you play as the Zetra sisters trying to show the newly arrived Kassyra what's what.


In general, though, I agree that at the moment both the individual character builds and party compositions are punished heavily for trying to cover multiple bases at once. Plus only a small fraction of bosses and enemy types in the current late game areas is focused on Resolve damage, making the Resolve tanking of Atugia and the Resolve restoration of Quin and Charmer Champ only marginally useful.

 

[wery12345]

I have done 90% of the content with Hexleather Cait and Kami-no-michi Kiyoko, I just am tanky myself. Literally the only fight that gave issue was whisper 2 because "lol fuck you loser 500 crit out the gate 3 time in a row" Hes like Kura but not balanced.

 

[Tide Hunter]

I have done 90% of the content with Hexleather Cait and Kami-no-michi Kiyoko, I just am tanky myself. Literally the only fight that gave issue was whisper 2 because "lol fuck you loser 500 crit out the gate 3 time in a row" Hes like Kura but not balanced.

Well, given that crit damage has been significantly nerfed now, hopefully that issue is better.

 

[Xenosium]

you might not need the boat, but it is by definitely the fastest way

And thus why I would like the option to not involuntarily throw myself onto a massive schlong every time I want to use it because I gave the dude a one-time pity blowjob.

 

[SmithEK]

Not enough futas is my gripe.

 

[PuppyPrincess]

It would be like agreeing to do Elf sex with Hashat once and from then on without warning Hashat has a chance to show up and instantly and unconsentually rail you on the spot.

I'm just saying, this sounds like a pretty good deal to my champ...

More related to the actual point with Livernus, it does seem a tad unusual based on how other stuff works that 'relaxing' him once (even if there's a libido check) leads to doing it automatically on subsequent boat rides without a reversal or something. If there was going to be a minotaur cum addiction thing, I'd totally get it though.

 

[SmithEK]

This talk about mino cum addiction.. I wonder when the futa mino is implemented that her cum would be addictive too or is that just a man thing?

 

[WolframL]

If there was going to be a minotaur cum addiction thing, I'd totally get it though.

I dunno if it's meant to the case here and this is a sneaky way of introducing it or the Libido check just has a pretty low threshold but Savin has hinted that addictive cum is gonna be a factor at some point...

This talk about mino cum addiction.. I wonder when the futa mino is implemented that her cum would be addictive too or is that just a man thing?

I'd assume that cum is cum so any lady minos with dicks would be similarly addictive, assuming they get whatever it is that causes the stuff to be addictive in the first place since it isn't naturally that way in CoC2.

 

[PuppyPrincess]

This talk about mino cum addiction.. I wonder when the futa mino is implemented that her cum would be addictive too or is that just a man thing?

Tbh if we could replace all the male mino's with futa minos, my life would be complete...

 

[wery12345]

Eh to much futa and you will turn away a lot of people, honestly why I dropped TiTs. Like Im fine with futa but there is a such thing as too much.

 

[Alypia]

Eh to much futa and you will turn away a lot of people, honestly why I dropped TiTs. Like Im fine with futa but there is a such thing as too much.

Understandable. This is not, however, a serious fear with this game. Male characters - to say nothing of dickless ladies - outnumber ladies with dicks two to one.

CoC2 gendery/parts count as of 13 September 2021 (patch 0.4.13)
Companions: 3 male, 5 female (no penis), 2 female (penis)
Named NPCs: 47 male (penis or otherwise), 88 female (no penis), 23 female (penis)
Unnamed NPCs and Combat Encounters: 41 male, 45 female (no penis), 12 female (penis)

Notes:
Characters that can change their pronouns or parts mid-game (e.g. Eryka, Liulfr) have been counted under their starting categories. The exceptions are Brint and Brienne, because they are distinct characters (despite being mutually exclusive), and Lyric, who is counted as both male and female.

There is wide variety in the unnamed characters section; some are combat encounters that don't even have a sex scene (like the Taothian Mage) and others are characters like the Kobold Queen with extensive non-combat interactions.

I have omitted named background characters without art (e.g. the frost elves that appear in Etheryn's dates and the Festivus Ball). I have also omitted the Champion's potential children, even when they are named. Kinu, Aya, Asagiri, Kasumi, and Tatsumi, the first five children by Kiyoko, are the only possible named children at this time (4 female, 1 male). Finally, I have omitted silly mode only characters like Syri, Kaede, and Anno.

Female characters with ovipositors and no penises are listed in the "no penis" slots. This includes Drider Queen, Ihzalti, Nyzerrah, Azyrran, Jyrranaz, and the Hornet Workers.

Characters that are obviously different people, e.g. Kohaku and Ambra, have been counted separately.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Futa is serious business and requires moderation to avoid the serious side effects. As nice as it would be, too much futa is harmful to your health and will result in the Surgeon General being disappointed in you.

 

[Savin]

Futa is serious business and requires moderation to avoid the serious side effects. As nice as it would be, too much futa is harmful to your health and will result in the Surgeon General being disappointed in you.

There is no such thing as too much futa.

 

[wery12345]

The great snippining

Huh, guess I really never noticed how few they are, might just be because they stand out a bit more. Though honestly it was nice learning about the under the hood stuff.

 

[WolframL]

There is no such thing as too much futa.

In moderation certainly. Overexposure to futa has been found in controlled studies to lead to extreme exhaustion, dehydration, muscle strain, irritation of mucous membranes and permahorni, as well as the leading cause of clothing and bedding permanently smelling of (fem)cum.. Consult a doctor to be certain you are healthy enough for your current futa intake.

Huh, guess I really never noticed how few they are, might just be because they stand out a bit more. Though honestly it was nice learning about the under the hood stuff.

There's an older post where Alypia listed off every named female that was in the game at that point, to illustrate that there really are that many more pure females than ladies with dicks of any description.

 

[BubbleLord]

This is what Bubblelord wrote "He doesn't "take pittance"; he doesn't pity you but respects your skill and ability, which is why he stops fighting. Again, assuming makes a BIG ASS out of you."
He stops fighting. You never actually defeat him, since his stamina and abilities are to great for you. He just stops.
Now, you may see it how Bubbles see it, as "respect". I see it as a way in having your cake and eating it too. Having your character be more capable and powerful than champion and his ensemble but at same time making it possible for players to progress through his combat encounter without always meating a bad end ala Doctor Badger while still keeping that clout of indestructibility.
So, yeah, I do not see him letting us a win as a way for him to show respect. Just a pity victory at the end of the day. At least the way Bubs described it.

Your gripes with CoC II

Obviously. Let me say it like this, it's disconcerting that all three of these together put such great emphasis on martial tradition yet the result is someone who isn't really any stronger than your typical elf or catgirl (at least at first). I'm sure you can attest to someone like Brint...

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Here is the thread where he replied to me on that subject (among many others). That was my same response to his "respect" argument.

This just in, the enemy stops fighting because you're besting/keeping them from winning is now deemed not winning. Never realized that being able to fight an "unstoppable object"/someone with near hard-to-kill abilities to a halt is considered not winning but this hot take continues to make me happy I hardly come to the forums these days. Too many people with false takes and bad reads, constantly stretching the reality to fit their demented views on my content and their irrational overanalyzing of it.

Again: Leofric being at a level that's near unkillable doesn't make him "unbeatable". People keep reaching and ignoring what I've said so kindly fuck off and stop talking about the content if you don't understand it or hate it. I'm not here to cater to you, but to the people who have been patiently waiting for the content and actually want it. My real gripe with CoC2 is that so many people are content to hate on content but then backpedal and say they like it when all they do is shit all over it. Just fucking cry to someone who cares because I don't give a shit about people who openly spread lies about my content. Sorry to say that patience ran out ages ago.

 

[DJ_Arashi_Rora]

Slam dunking

Me reading bubble's post

 

[Animalistic]

This just in, the enemy stops fighting because you're besting/keeping them from winning is now deemed not winning. Never realized that being able to fight an "unstoppable object"/someone with near hard-to-kill abilities to a halt is considered not winning but this hot take continues to make me happy I hardly come to the forums these days. Too many people with false takes and bad reads, constantly stretching the reality to fit their demented views on my content and their irrational overanalyzing of it.

Again: Leofric being at a level that's near unkillable doesn't make him "unbeatable". People keep reaching and ignoring what I've said so kindly fuck off and stop talking about the content if you don't understand it or hate it. I'm not here to cater to you, but to the people who have been patiently waiting for the content and actually want it. My real gripe with CoC2 is that so many people are content to hate on content but then backpedal and say they like it when all they do is shit all over it. Just fucking cry to someone who cares because I don't give a shit about people who openly spread lies about my content. Sorry to say that patience ran out ages ago.

But, here is the thing, when we defeat other enemies, they do not go down because they "acknowledged our fighting spirit" or however you want to put it. They go down because they can not go on.
The way you word his encounter does not help me see your way of processing the context/flow of events. Each time sounds like he lets us win. In same way when your older brother lets you beat him in a video game. Sure, by strict definition, a win is a win. But not really a deserving or satisfying one.

 

[Prent]

I wish that Kasyrra's dick wasn't so close to the sharp edge of her axe in her artwork. Gives me the shivers every time I look at it.

 

[SmithEK]

Unless I've missed it, the lack of piercings.. I like my MCs with a good amount of piercings, ears, brows, lips.. dick and clit piercings. And tongue.

 

[Kingu2]

But, here is the thing, when we defeat other enemies, they do not go down because they "acknowledged our fighting spirit" or however you want to put it. They go down because they can not go on.
The way you word his encounter does not help me see your way of processing the context/flow of events. Each time sounds like he lets us win. In same way when your older brother lets you beat him in a video game. Sure, by strict definition, a win is a win. But not really a deserving or satisfying one.

on the one hand I definitely see where you're coming from. the idea that he LET'S you win is infuriating. It's extra infuriating when you no he has bullshit powers that make him practically unbeatable.

It's like the champ is out here grinding their ass off fighting all kinds of monsters and demons and this jackass is running around with god mode on doing fuck all. and I'm supposed to earn his respect?

BUUUUT, on the other hand I don't THINK that's what bubs is going for here. rather than Leoric letting you win because you can't beat him, I think it's more like he gives up because he can't beat you. Despite being an unstoppable demi-god with bullshit powers, no matter how many times he decides to get back up and swing his big fuckoff axe at you he has to accept the fact that he can't win against you. It's not your older brother letting you win against him, It's getting invaded by a hacker in DS using an infinite heath cheat and you keep backstabbing and parrying/riposting him (which he can't avoid because he's bad at the game) until he gives up and quits the game.

 

[WolframL]

I wish that Kasyrra's dick wasn't so close to the sharp edge of her axe in her artwork. Gives me the shivers every time I look at it.

New art or old art? Because in her new art at least there's some separation between her junk and her axe. In the old art it looked like she might end up with a split dick if she got hard.

 

[Burnerbro]

It's like the champ is out here grinding their ass off fighting all kinds of monsters and demons and this jackass is running around with god mode on doing fuck all. and I'm supposed to earn his respect?

Can't bring myself to hate on Leofric, he has so much of an old guard former shonen protagonist vibes going on and I'm really fond of that trope most of the time. Plus I prefer to believe that some sort of reveal will happen down the line that will clue us in on what Leofric is busy doing while his company is in disarray, tarnishing their name and risking their lives - or at least their anal integrity. And, if we are lucky, how that secretive looming threat can be turned into a sexy adventure for the Champ.

BUUUUT, on the other hand I don't THINK that's what bubs is going for here. rather than Leoric letting you win because you can't beat him, I think it's more like he gives up because he can't beat you. Despite being an unstoppable demi-god with bullshit powers, no matter how many times he decides to get back up and swing his big fuckoff axe at you he has to accept the fact that he can't win against you. It's not your older brother letting you win against him, It's getting invaded by a hacker in DS using an infinite heath cheat and you keep backstabbing and parrying/riposting him (which he can't avoid because he's bad at the game) until he gives up and quits the game.

Him being entirely unable to defeat the Champ is, on the other hand, something I'm still not quite sold on. Because on top of all the buffs he is rocking, he is a veteran fighter who should be more than capable of using this nigh-invulnerability to snap the victory out of the jaws of any defeat, unless he is literally reduced to a bloody pulp; it is what he was molded into doing. Maybe obtaining the status as a kinda-sorta-immortal has led to his instincts dulling, his skills backsliding and most importantly his motivation in most regular fights flagging - a tried and tested trope for characters like him. But even with that, if Leofric really had it for the Champ the way, say, Nakano did initially, we wouldn't be able to stop him the way we are now. Maybe by the time we reach the actual endgame.

 

[DJ_Arashi_Rora]

I wish there was a set of fist weapons in the game.

And a gripe I have with myself is that I wish I like fantasy more. I have over the years fallen harder in love with sci-fi and I think as of right now I like the setting in TiTS more. It sucks.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

I wish there was a set of fist weapons in the game.

If you wanna get technical, there are but they're exclusive to Garrett and can only be playable through the save editor. I'd love fist weapons though. Disarm could just have some flavor text about how the enemy walks up and takes our gauntlet weapons off, throws them on the ground, and returns to their original position. I'd whine about being disarmed anyway so may as well keep it for fisticuffs.

 

[Prent]

New art or old art? Because in her new art at least there's some separation between her junk and her axe. In the old art it looked like she might end up with a split dick if she got hard.

Both, though the old art is definitely worse.

 

[AWildWaifuAppears]

There is no such thing as too much futa.

I couldn't agree more.