Your gripes with CoC II

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wery12345

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Imagine needing lipstick to have a cool lip color, not I says the one with perma black lips thanks to previous being an lupine.
 

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Kasyrra's redemption quest being locked behind sexing Cait.
Why do champ needs to fuck her to trigger temple of sin in the first place?
Why don't just lock the option of threesome behind sexing Cait?
 

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Kasyrra's redemption quest being locked behind sexing Cait.
Why do champ needs to fuck her to trigger temple of sin in the first place?
Why don't just lock the option of threesome behind sexing Cait?
For what it's worth, it's been said that in future, there will be other ways to start that questline. Temple of Sin was just the first one added.
 

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I know that it's been said before but the whole Kitsune thing is a real drag at times especially like the whole Kinu engagement thing
It just doesn't feel like it really belongs in the story, like it used to be a part of something else but just got stitched in from another story.
There's just so much cramming of JP culture into this that it kinda seems to forget what this actually is. It stops feeling like a fantasy anymore
The protag also feels so muted during these heavy text drops that ultimately end in the relentless spouting of the mantra "there's nothing to be done" and you the protag meekly going, "Oh, okay," and walking off with a single sad rain-cloud floating overhead.
Kinda miss the Kitsune's in the first one who were more capricious fun lovers that liked to be dicked by you (and dick you) in the woods.
 

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I know that it's been said before but the whole Kitsune thing is a real drag at times especially like the whole Kinu engagement thing
It just doesn't feel like it really belongs in the story, like it used to be a part of something else but just got stitched in from another story.
There's just so much cramming of JP culture into this that it kinda seems to forget what this actually is. It stops feeling like a fantasy anymore
The protag also feels so muted during these heavy text drops that ultimately end in the relentless spouting of the mantra "there's nothing to be done" and you the protag meekly going, "Oh, okay," and walking off with a single sad rain-cloud floating overhead.
Kinda miss the Kitsune's in the first one who were more capricious fun lovers that liked to be dicked by you (and dick you) in the woods.
Loved the first Kitsunes too, so much loving and some or at least one lady Kitsune had a cock. Kinu I'd rather been given the choice of not creating and still keeping Kiyoko in game.
 

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I'm upset that characters like Eryka, Hinata, and Shar can't be companions even though they are interesting characters and have potential.
 
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The protag also feels so muted during these heavy text drops that ultimately end in the relentless spouting of the mantra "there's nothing to be done" and you the protag meekly going, "Oh, okay," and walking off with a single sad rain-cloud floating overhead.
There is a reason for that, and its literally kitsune society and how they view outsiders(especially considering most of of the current content that happens in it so far is before you could/did become one) and if your talking about the Kinu spend time scenes, of course theres a sad rain cloud, the PC is a damn good parent and hates the fact theres this big dumbass demon doin bad shit takin him away from her.
 
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I just wish it took more than two seconds for Kinu to get engaged. The fact that literally as soon you regain control after freeing her she will already be engaged is just so weird to me. Like, you can't even do the homecoming yet, but Kinu already has a fiancé.
 

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All I want to know is where are the futa Kitsunes? Surely you can't say every Kitsune is straight, and even if their cock hungry, a Lady Kitsune could easily drink/eat tf/magic up a cock to satisfy her partner. If I had the choice I'd rather Kinu got married to one of the ladies.
I mean come on just because Kitsunes share one soul, don't mean they share one mind.
 

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Well considering the PC isnt full blooded is why im pretty sure we can, but I think theres no futa foxes due to the whole Metaphysical nature of them. Also her instantly having one is less instant more "time is bullshit right now in the timeframe of the game".
 

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I just wish it took more than two seconds for Kinu to get engaged. The fact that literally as soon you regain control after freeing her she will already be engaged is just so weird to me. Like, you can't even do the homecoming yet, but Kinu already has a fiancé.

Kinu is an absolute Chad and wants to assert her dominance over the family that ironically almost did something terrible to her parent. And the best way to do that is to fuck the family. Literally.

There is a reason for that, and its literally kitsune society and how they view outsiders(especially considering most of of the current content that happens in it so far is before you could/did become one) and if your talking about the Kinu spend time scenes, of course theres a sad rain cloud, the PC is a damn good parent and hates the fact theres this big dumbass demon doin bad shit takin him away from her.

If so much stuff didn't directly impact the player's family, then I'd agree. The kitsune keeping us at arms length is understandable. Being told to piss off when concerned over our family being attacked is what's caused so much debate. We're not being told to wait for the right moment, we're being told off for wanting any involvement at all. And, in my disgustingly humble opinion, I've never noticed a rain cloud over us when spending time with Inari Kinu. She just likes gardening. And unlike Hime, actually seems to like spending time with us. I must encourage my daughter to be swole and Inari has a head start. Kinu training montage when my dudes?
 

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I mean the PC is told to fuck off because lets be honest, if we were allowed to intrude on KinuQuest it would be over pretty fast, PC is abit bullshit remember that. Its more so to allow Kinu to come into her own without the absolute brick shithouse of power her father(mother in some cases) helping her.

Kinu is an absolute Chad and wants to assert her dominance over the family that ironically almost did something terrible to her parent. And the best way to do that is to fuck the family. Literally.
So you mean how the PC handles everything.
 

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I mean the PC is told to fuck off because lets be honest, if we were allowed to intrude on KinuQuest it would be over pretty fast, PC is abit bullshit remember that. Its more so to allow Kinu to come into her own without the absolute brick shithouse of power her father(mother in some cases) helping her.

I get that, and I'm not saying I want to just solve all their problems from a story perspective. It's just that we're bystanders to our children and possible friends being attacked and being told off for wanting to help. And we're not outsiders in this case. We're Kinu's parent, Kiyoko's one and only consort, friends with some people in the tree, and possibly the person strong enough to solo the tree. It's doable but time consuming. We're not traditional outsiders and our immediate family is under attack. So not even so much as being able to train out kids makes the whole thing weird.

So you mean how the PC handles everything.

I raised her well. Unfortunately I fear the Frost Marches may be swarmed in floof if she's too similar to the champ. At this rate, the land will be ruled by a diverse council of my children who rule by sheer numbers alone.
 

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The protag also feels so muted during these heavy text drops that ultimately end in the relentless spouting of the mantra "there's nothing to be done" and you the protag meekly going, "Oh, okay," and walking off with a single sad rain-cloud floating overhead.
The two stories/quests we get with Kinu up until now are being told after the fact, so at least during those of course the champ is going to be mute and inactive.

As for the rest of the Kitsune content, this whole disconnect that exists due to the Kitsune culture being largely insular is largely intentional. IIRC, it was the author's intention to keep the PC almost always at arm's length. As was the emotional arm twisting of the PC missing at least ten years of growth of all of their children that were in the astral plane.

I'll agree though, being told to eff off when being concerned about the attacks on Kinu "because she is the princess and the folks in the den will take care of it without the need of the outsider" was the most grating part. But, even making the player feel affronted by this might have been intentional too. They're REALLY insular.

So insular, that they seem not to recognize the cosmic coincidence that it was the Champ finding the amulet, and actually braving the Den to free Kiyoko among other things. Not to mention that she was stuck there in Keros' dream realm for 200 and he did jack squat to help.

brick shithouse
LOL, I seee that this made the jump from the Discord server to over to here in the forums
 
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All I want to know is where are the futa Kitsunes? Surely you can't say every Kitsune is straight, and even if their cock hungry, a Lady Kitsune could easily drink/eat tf/magic up a cock to satisfy her partner.
The Kurokawas own a ghostlight which is the closest it gets for now. Savin is apparently contributing a floof who 'made a deal for a dong', but that was supposed to be out last year so who knows where she is in the pipeline. And that's assuming Hana isn't Kas in disguise...
 
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I raised her well. Unfortunately I fear the Frost Marches may be swarmed in floof if she's too similar to the champ. At this rate, the land will be ruled by a diverse council of my children who rule by sheer numbers alone.
Dont forget the eldest 4 all each got a part of the champs bullshit in the same form, like Kinus ability to learn so those 4 are basically a collective to make a single powerful entity.

I get that, and I'm not saying I want to just solve all their problems from a story perspective. It's just that we're bystanders to our children and possible friends being attacked and being told off for wanting to help. And we're not outsiders in this case. We're Kinu's parent, Kiyoko's one and only consort, friends with some people in the tree, and possibly the person strong enough to solo the tree. It's doable but time consuming. We're not traditional outsiders and our immediate family is under attack. So not even so much as being able to train out kids makes the whole thing weird.
I think the tree also doesn't want to rely on a outside(even if your married) force/Divine champion, they've gone this far together, prove to them that they can handle it. I don't think they are doing it out of malicious contempt for you, if they were they wouldn't even tell you I feel. Also almost forgot that Kinu after part 2 does say she doesn't want to see the whole, not fun loving parent side for you as long as she possibly can she doesnt want to lose the magic of the you from when she was a kit so soon.

Dont know how to edit a reply to the dong'd fox, isnt that around the time when they decided to lock in working on Kor, chances are they COULD appear there, one tailed fox would be able to get away being there if you think about it.
 

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does say she doesn't want to see the whole, not fun loving parent side for you as long as she possibly can she doesnt want to lose the magic of the you from when she was a kit so soon.
Ah, yeah. Kinu up until now has only seen the bright, positive side of her other parent.

Champ is so much of a brick shithouse that no vulperine/foxmorph/taothian would be left standing. With a party of three. While the provost can't make do with 6.
 

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The Kurokawas own a ghostlight which is the closest it gets for now. Savin is apparently contributing a floof who 'made a deal for a dong', but that was supposed to be out last year so who knows where she is in the pipeline. And that's assuming Hana isn't Kas in disguise...
Hana keeps getting pushed because a) Savin is the busiest man in porndev and b) floofs already have a surfeit of content and there are bigger holes to fill.
 

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I raised her well. Unfortunately I fear the Frost Marches may be swarmed in floof if she's too similar to the champ. At this rate, the land will be ruled by a diverse council of my children who rule by sheer numbers alone.
A secret ending where PC dabs on Kas for being way behind in their baby race, despite cheating like hell with imp litters and all those perks stacked up through the roof? :D
I think the tree also doesn't want to rely on a outside(even if your married) force/Divine champion, they've gone this far together, prove to them that they can handle it.
If that's the case we need to yeet all of the Den's decision makers back to the mainland and declare Hinata an emergency dictator. He at least has proved that he is capable of recognizing situations where he needs to shove all of his personal and racial pride up his own ass and do what needs to be done, because the alternative puts the people he is responsible for in grave and immediate danger.

I for one don't appreciate the idea of our Princess Maker minigame getting more and more grimdark and Ya rebellion expansions. It really sucks to be stuck in a situation where you can neither convince your own family members to do the obvious smart things, nor leverage whatever power you scrounged over the course of the game to force their hand through influencing Komari and Co... Especially while Kiyoko is stuck there right beside you, worried sick and feeling just as powerless. It leaves you frustrated, and in the worst case moves you past caring about the whole situation, since whatever the author wants to happen will happen and your energy might be better spent on engaging with the content that you can change the outcome of in a more meaningful way.


there are bigger holes to fill
:allears: Anything you can share here, per chance?

Also:
 
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:allears: Anything you can share here, per chance?
Not sure whom you're asking about there. To cover all the bases: I shouldn't tell y'all what other writers have been working on, because those are not my stories to tell, and I won't tell you what I've been working on, because I'm a relentless tease.

;)
 

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Also almost forgot that Kinu after part 2 does say she doesn't want to see the whole, not fun loving parent side for you as long as she possibly can she doesnt want to lose the magic of the you from when she was a kit so soon.
This is a really nice bit of characterization and clinging to such things makes sense precisely because of how much these attacks have violated Kinu's whole worldview and her peace of mind. But this is also where the different versions of the Champ could have finally stepped up to the plate as a parent of a now young adult. Help her deal with these new realities from the position of someone who has lived through similar experiences, help her see past this new looming threat and avoid it consuming her whole being, convince her that you can face these challenges together without it destroying what you had as a family. Fucking try to do something.

Though I suppose that given the incomplete nature of the questline a more correct way to put this last sentiment would be: I hope the Champ will get at least a chance to not let Kinu down in the worst way possible.
 

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I mean they did establish they knew when the champ/kiyoko were out, so they obviously have a bullshit detector for them, cause the champs so fucking everywhere its kinda impressive they knew when he'd be out and not causing property damage with Kiyoko.

Edit: forgot to say that ive been using the term brick shithouse for a while, favorite term to use, I dont know anything about the discord.
 
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I mean they did establish they knew when the champ/kiyoko were out, so they obviously have a bullshit detector for them, cause the champs so fucking everywhere its kinda impressive they knew when he'd be out and not causing property damage with Kiyoko.

Edit: forgot to say that ive been using the term brick shithouse for a while, favorite term to use, I dont know anything about the discord.
The taothians apparently have a way to know when the champ is using the ways between. And I asume they have scouts at key points.
 

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Dont see how he is Gary stu, dude literally took a cheapshot at the player, like a gut punch post victory against the marked losers captain.
 
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