Your gripes with CoC II

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A minor thing I wish this game had - a tomboy salamander waifu

Helia from CoC1 was my absolute fav and she even got a full story dungeon and romance arc

I do adore the companions already in 2, but.... c'mon now.

Tomboy salamander.
Considering Helia is Savin's creation and we'll eventually get to Tychris - A new tomboy salamander waifu probably in the cards. In fact if you follow Moira on twitter she's already created several pieces of art for some frost manders for the game.
 

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Considering Helia is Savin's creation and we'll eventually get to Tychris - A new tomboy salamander waifu probably in the cards. In fact if you follow Moira on twitter she's already created several pieces of art for some frost manders for the game.

God bless Savin
 

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Pretty sure its also the Perma TF(god TF) Savin is doing, so you can become the tomboy Salamander.
 

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A minor thing I wish this game had - a tomboy salamander waifu
Kythie. She's waiting for Tychris to be written/implemented but Savin has literally described her as 'bluemander upcoming tomboy wife' and it sounds like we'll be seeing her early-ish next year.

He's also described her mother as the 'MILF tomboy'.
 
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CoC 2 needs a level expansion very, very soon. I am actually surprised they didn't include one in the update.

You are pretty much guaranteed to be level 6 when you finish Winter City, and even excusing use of Razorcup nector there is a good chance you will have maxed XP by the time you finish it. There is a huge amount of content that you see while levelcapped at 6, and a lot of it is extremely challenging due to being stuck at 6 and unable to advance, such as all of Winter Wolf.

Level 6 just doesn't cut it anymore for how far along the story has come so far. I know that level 10 is final-total-for-real endgame but I feel like we should have hit level 7 somewhere in Khorminos, or even level 8 if we did Winter Wolf and all the Kitsune den stuff too.
 

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CoC 2 needs a level expansion very, very soon. I am actually surprised they didn't include one in the update.

You are pretty much guaranteed to be level 6 when you finish Winter City, and even excusing use of Razorcup nector there is a good chance you will have maxed XP by the time you finish it. There is a huge amount of content that you see while levelcapped at 6, and a lot of it is extremely challenging due to being stuck at 6 and unable to advance, such as all of Winter Wolf.

Level 6 just doesn't cut it anymore for how far along the story has come so far. I know that level 10 is final-total-for-real endgame but I feel like we should have hit level 7 somewhere in Khorminos, or even level 8 if we did Winter Wolf and all the Kitsune den stuff too.
After reading in this thread and seeing the other guy I want to clarify that I am not griping about the existence of a level cap, I just feel like the storyline has moved beyond the current level cap. With the way things are going, by the time they DO introduce more levels characters will naturally reach level 7 or even 8 while still in areas balanced for level 6 gameplay.
 

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Its like DnD, there is no fucking reason to go above tenth level in campaigns. Because the absurdity people can pull.
The reason you don't go beyond level 10 in DnD is because people are too smart for their own good and there is no real way for a DM to plan around all of the different kinds of bullshit they can come up with.

It really isn't the same in CoC because you can ONLY do things the writers have come up with.

I actually got an explanation of this from Savin and the other creators in the discord a while ago. The creators are sort of obsessed with not making a "power fantasy" for some reason. While in a DnD game emphasis on characters as normal people or part of a machine makes a better experience for everyone, in a single player game the only thing it does is make the player feel impotent and let the writers' characters look oh-so-powerful when they bail your ass out of trouble.
 
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The creators are sort of obsessed with not making a "power fantasy" for some reason.
This brain bug that has developed amongst those in charge of CoC2 really is nonsense.
and let the writers' characters look oh-so-powerful when they bail your ass out of trouble.
This seems to be a much more honest reason, like look at how the Gods were handled in CoC1 compared to those of CoC2.
 

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I am actually surprised they didn't include one in the update
My combat rework is basically the thing that has kept level 7 from happening, and the we wanted to let the explosive changes from this patch settle so we can take a second look over level 7's planned perks to make sure they all line up nicely and work and whatnot
 

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This brain bug that has developed amongst those in charge of CoC2 really is nonsense.

This seems to be a much more honest reason, like look at how the Gods were handled in CoC1 compared to those of CoC2.
I got that directly from the discord, from users with flairs indicating they were contributers to the game. Maybe I misinterpreted some sarcasm but it seemed pretty clear at the time that the authors have something against power fantasies, and the discussion was brought up directly.

I also agree that the gods are a good point. In CoC 1 the gods had all been completely defeated or forced into some form of hiding. Part of the horror of and hopelessness of facing the demon armies was that not even the gods could stop them.

Meanwhile in CoC 2 the gods are all insanely powerful superbeings who don't even try to stop the big bad because it would be too easy, or something.
 

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My combat rework is basically the thing that has kept level 7 from happening, and the we wanted to let the explosive changes from this patch settle so we can take a second look over level 7's planned perks to make sure they all line up nicely and work and whatnot
Thank you for this explanation. I really appreciate the update and while it nedds a lot of ironing out for detail it has greatly improved the flow of the game.

I do have to ask though, when you removed the resolve bar why didn't you have the health bar circle all the way around the image? Is it harder than I am thinking or was leaving the asymetrical UI display an intentional choice?
 

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The creators are sort of obsessed with not making a "power fantasy" for some reason.
They made the PC a genius and master of combat, magic and sex, giving them a Barony, a champion title, a bunch of mythical weapons and items, and giving them so much heroic renown that bards will be telling tales, singing songs, and writing epics and pornographic novels about them for centuries to come. If they are trying to NOT do a power fantasy they're failing horribly. also you should be using multi quotes instead of double or triple posting.
 

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do have to ask though, when you removed the resolve bar why didn't you have the health bar circle all the way around the image? Is it harder than I am thinking
I uh didn't feel like figuring out how the code worked AND doing trig at 10 am
 

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They made the PC a genius and master of combat, magic and sex, giving them a Barony, a champion title, a bunch of mythical weapons and items, and giving them so much heroic renown that bards will be telling tales, singing songs, and writing epics and pornographic novels about them for centuries to come. If they are trying to NOT do a power fantasy they're failing horribly. also you should be using multi quotes instead of double or triple posting.
I apologize, I am not familiar with this type of forum. I didn't know you could do that.

I uh didn't feel like figuring out how the code worked AND doing trig at 10 am
Is... is 10 am really early or am I missing something? Either way you did a good job and I am really happy with how the combat feels now, it is a huge improvement. I do feel like the lust-bar has been a staple of CoC and TiTS forever and it is sad that it is gone for good, however Resolve just didn't work and CoC 2 is better off without it.
 

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The creators are sort of obsessed with not making a "power fantasy" for some reason.
As king pointed out the champ has the ability to learn anything with ease, and there is no weapon they cannot wield. They are pretty fucking powerful in a traditional sense but not in a unstoppable sense. And I forgot they also have a ludicrous amount of magical power but zero ability to utilize it iirc.
 

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They made the PC a genius and master of combat, magic and sex, giving them a Barony, a champion title, a bunch of mythical weapons and items, and giving them so much heroic renown that bards will be telling tales, singing songs, and writing epics and pornographic novels about them for centuries to come. If they are trying to NOT do a power fantasy they're failing horribly. also you should be using multi quotes instead of double or triple posting.
As king pointed out the champ has the ability to learn anything with ease, and there is no weapon they cannot wield. They are pretty fucking powerful in a traditional sense but not in a unstoppable sense. And I forgot they also have a ludicrous amount of magical power but zero ability to utilize it iirc.
I was wrong. Point withdrawn.
 

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I admit, coming out of Mayternity my biggest disappointment was that we didn't get anymore movement on scenes with Brint/Brienne's family. Like, Brienne is trying to sell me on making her little sister and mother into my babymommas too, and I thought with the focus on Khor'minos, that would come (or at least the teased threesome). Guess we'll be waiting a while longer.

Like I don't want to diminish any of what we got. It's good. I'm just disappointed.

Also I would love for the Arena/Colosseum or whatever it is to get taken care of so we can win the hand of our fair centaur war maiden, Alante. She's in the area. But I'll wait for it.
 
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I admit, coming out of Mayternity my biggest disappointment was that we didn't get anymore movement on scenes with Brint/Brienne's family. Like, Brienne is trying to sell me on making her little sister and mother into my babymommas too, and I thought with the focus on Khor'minos, that would come (or at least the teased threesome). Guess we'll be waiting a while longer.

Like I don't want to diminish any of what we got. It's good. I'm just disappointed.

Also I would love for the Arena/Colosseum or whatever it is to get taken care of so we can win the hand of our fair centaur war maiden, Alante. She's in the area. But I'll wait for it.
On the topic of wives, I do not like how Kiyoko's very existence pretty much necessitates that I always do her path. I absolutely love Kiyoko and all of the kitsune content, it is my very favorite part of the game, but I always feel completely railroaded into completing her path every single time. I just cannot stand the thought of abandoning her to an eternity of loneliness under any circumstances, and because of this I cannot even try to play a non-dicked run. Even just never touching the Kitsune content doesn't work because I know she is still waiting.

There should be alternative options to helping her out without completely committing to romance, and I can think of a few reasonable ones off the top of my head:

1. You break the orb, killing her forever but allowing her escape from eternal loneliness.

2. An option to disable the content and just say that she died 250 years ago to clear our conscience.

3. Bringing the amulet to Komari and Keros just after discovering Kiyoko, and having an option to donate part of your soul in a non-sexual way. Kiyoko then becomes a non-romancible side character and locks out most of the Kitsune content but at least you can feel good about yourself.

Until something like this happens I can't even try to play without saving her, it just feels cruel.
 

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If you find the amulet and take it to Komari without impregnating Kiyoko, you can leave the amulet with Keros. He will be annoyed at you, but accepts the amulet and presumably takes care of things. She doesn't become a character in the game, but conscience is cleared.

Or, alternatively, you can use the ghostlight magicock from Evergreen to impregnate Kiyoko. This functionality was added to make Kiyoko more accessible.
 

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Why is there no option setting to prefer anal/vaginal for scenes where the option isn't provided? Some characters when you sex with them as a submissive male/shemale, you get an anal scene, but when you go into the same scene with female genitalia, you get a vaginal sex scene. Why can't you choose the anal scene if your character has a vagina? Some examples of this are Arona and Brint - but I'm certain I've seen this elsewhere as well. Also, I'm not talking about specific loss-scenes where the player wouldn't get to choose as a narrative restriction (although I personally would like to have something like a vagina with chastity piercings specifically to force anal-scenes in such a case too!)

The content is more-or-less already there in some cases, just inaccessible without me playing as a shemale character, even if I'd prefer to play as a female character.

Just saying, not all vaginas prefer vaginal over anal =S
I'm sure Sariel would agree!
 

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It feels like after the combat rework everything has drastically increased evade. I can't hit a goddamn thing, every single attack misses more than half the time early game, and then when you finally hit it does a middling amount of damage that might just get healed away, I'm glad there aren't too many things with heals early on.
 

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Why is there no option setting to prefer anal/vaginal for scenes where the option isn't provided? Some characters when you sex with them as a submissive male/shemale, you get an anal scene, but when you go into the same scene with female genitalia, you get a vaginal sex scene. Why can't you choose the anal scene if your character has a vagina? Some examples of this are Arona and Brint - but I'm certain I've seen this elsewhere as well. Also, I'm not talking about specific loss-scenes where the player wouldn't get to choose as a narrative restriction (although I personally would like to have something like a vagina with chastity piercings specifically to force anal-scenes in such a case too!)

The content is more-or-less already there in some cases, just inaccessible without me playing as a shemale character, even if I'd prefer to play as a female character.

Just saying, not all vaginas prefer vaginal over anal =S
I'm sure Sariel would agree!
have you tried toggling buttslut mode in the settings?

It feels like after the combat rework everything has drastically increased evade. I can't hit a goddamn thing, every single attack misses more than half the time early game, and then when you finally hit it does a middling amount of damage that might just get healed away, I'm glad there aren't too many things with heals early on.

would you be so kind as to post your save? I keep hearing things like this, but there's only a few things that should be benefitting from something like increased evade, and it'd be the result of them getting their stance activated at the start of the combat, so I wanna do testing with people's saves to figure out what's changed for them
 
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would you be so kind as to post your save? I keep hearing things like this, but there's only a few things that should be benefitting from something like increased evade, and it'd be the result of them getting their stance activated at the start of the combat, so I wanna do testing with people's saves to figure out what's changed for them
Here, I did edit in some TF's and sexual perks along with some money so I have to include the disclaimer that it may be because of those edits, but I feel like those'd be odd side effects. It might be because I'm currently using twin short swords so having to roll the hit twice makes things seem worse, but I feel like Cait and Brint are also missing more.
 

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I have one lil' gripe. I love that you can cuddle and have bedmates in the game. Cait can't officially be your bedmate but if you sex her at night time you can cuddle with her until morning. Why can't I just have her as a bedmate then? It serves almost the same purpose.

But more importantly: Why can't we skip the sex for once and just cuddle until morning? I just want someone to hold me But yeah. main gripe; not enough cuddling, emotional care and/or after care. I know that there is a lot of that content, but I want more of it.
 

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I have one lil' gripe. I love that you can cuddle and have bedmates in the game. Cait can't officially be your bedmate but if you sex her at night time you can cuddle with her until morning. Why can't I just have her as a bedmate then? It serves almost the same purpose.

But more importantly: Why can't we skip the sex for once and just cuddle until morning? I just want someone to hold me But yeah. main gripe; not enough cuddling, emotional care and/or after care. I know that there is a lot of that content, but I want more of it.
Your chance of getting a non-sexual cuddle with Etheryn at night is higher if neither of you has blue balls when you go to bed (or wake up).
 

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The wayfort has an option to choose bedmates... for camp and for the Frost Hound, but not for the wayfort itself.

Huh?
 

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The wayfort has an option to choose bedmates... for camp and for the Frost Hound, but not for the wayfort itself.

Huh?
Most of the sleepwiths have not been updated to account for the Wayfort yet. The only bedmates you can choose there at the moment are Etheryn and Daliza.
 

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I know I have been griping a lot lately, but I swear I only have one more complaint.

Why aren't there more male sexable characters? Aimed at females and otherwise. CoC 1 and TiTS never seemed to have a shortage of dicks but CoC 2 is like the exact opposite of a sausage party, and most of the dicks are on women.
 
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