Your gripes with CoC II

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No one likes a game where there is a "minmax" playstyle, it kills the fun of it being a porn game HARD, and it ruins any interest in making your own personal character.
That's complete and utter nonsense, there are countless different people playing the game who have countless different ways they enjoy doing so.

Actually I'm finally going to weigh in on the whole thing people have been claiming which has been nothing but illogical reasoning-
This is a single-player game where the main draw is getting your rocks off to odd fetish-content, who really cares if some attacks you can obtain might be a bit better than others? There's no multiplayer, no 'community meta' to worry about ruining.
People aren't magically transforming their PC into a humanoid dragon with a tail, wings and two 24-inch penises along with ZZ-cup breasts because it gives them access to the flight and tail-whack moves for their build, they are doing so because that is their disgusting degenerate fetish to live out as.
 

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If min maxing means like in TiTs with our stats.. yes I much prefer min maxing.
 

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I mislike weak abilities, save for when they have weird, corner-case effects. Why not give Tail Wack a hard-to-use effect, like the ability to knock both the opponent and the user prone on a crit (with a possible physical ability check if that's still too strong)?
Tail Whack is slated for removal altogether.
 
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Savin

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People aren't magically transforming their PC into a humanoid dragon with a tail, wings and two 24-inch penises along with ZZ-cup breasts because it gives them access to the flight and tail-whack moves for their build
They literally did that in CoC1; that's why we didn't do racial abilities in 2.
 

SomeNobody

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They literally did that in CoC1; that's why we didn't do racial abilities in 2.
Again, why does it matter?
If some people want to go out of their way to hyper-optimize their character in this single-player porno rpg it hurts no one, other people will just continue to play their own way in their own playthroughs.

I've went pure human both times, don't care if that means not being able to breathe lightning, fly using my angelic feathery wings or use my array of prehensile tentacles to violate foes mid-battle as an attack.
 

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Again, why does it matter?
If some people want to go out of their way to hyper-optimize their character in this single-player porno rpg it hurts no one, other people will just continue to play their own way in their own playthroughs.

I've went pure human both times, don't care if that means not being able to breathe lightning, fly using my angelic feathery wings or use my array of prehensile tentacles to violate foes mid-battle as an attack.


Because, to paraphrase a pair of great game designers,
"The behavior a game rewards or even enables are behaviors a game encourages"
And encouraging people to TF out of the way they want their characters to by virtue of mechanical incentives is fundamentally not something we want to encourage within our system. Cosmetic effects and mechanical benefits should be entirely separate.
 

Tide Hunter

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If some people want to go out of their way to hyper-optimize their character in this single-player porno rpg it hurts no one,
Compulsive min-maxer here, being able to hyper-optimize kinda sucks. A lot of the fun in doing it is figuring out how to do things the best way, but after that, it kinda kills my enjoyment. I can't just level up my stats in TiTS, because to be as optimized as possible I have to go to the gym, work out and sleep for 50 days straight, and then spend 24 hours talking to Syri. If I level up my stats, my mind tells me I'm wasting points that I could be spending to max every stat out once I've reached the max level and trained the stats high enough normally.

Even small things, which people may not even consider as part of min-maxing, can hurt. On one of my previous "main characters" for CoC2, during the time of stat affinities, I wanted to make her a cowgirl, but because of my build I had to give her fur to make her be counted as a "minotaur" by the game, just so that I could level up strength (I think she was a melee-focused White Mage?). If there was a spell that was basically just fireball but better, or a perk that made fire damage 5% stronger, but to access them you needed to transform yourself into a dragon, far more Black Mage characters will end up as a dragon, regardless of what cosmetic appearance the player would otherwise go for. It hurts enjoyment, because the person has to make a choice between what they want in gameplay and what they want in their character.
 

PudgyElderGod

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Flavor that merely takes up space on the screen and has no mechanical effect isn't flavor to me is my point, but to each their own.
To each their own indeed. I respect that that's how you and many others enjoy and consume games, but to me that's a weird mentality to have about a game mostly based on flavour and not mechanics. It's a silly tail attack in a text RPG, not a 780ms bash in For Honor.

Even when playing on Dark, I find I can usually make space for at least one suboptimal "cool/silly" move and still do alright.
From an aesthetics standpoint, it would likely be better if a tail attack simply replaced the flavor of certain melee attacks from time to time at random, but that would be a unique entity to code.
Not gonna lie, I would love that. It sounds like it'd be a lot of work tho.
 

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So after dragging my feet on it I finally got around to doing Aileh's preg content and man was I disappointed. I thought Aileh might grow on me the way Kiha did in the first game but it just never happened Despite the romance bits here and there it just never clicked. Also super not helped that I don't find her very attractive. With all the positive reception around I thought Freja at least might be worth it if her mom isn't but damn was I wrong. I didn't like any of those romance scenes. I can't exactly explain it but it feels like there are several things that are missing from the relationship that didn't show up later and still aren't there now. I can't help but feel Japed after going through the rig-a-ma-roll to see all of these scenes only to have them not hit me at all the same way as other baby mama scenes have. like even the birth/hatching scene felt severely lacking and failed to invoke the same sort of reaction I get whenever Kiyoko would give birth or when Helia would have Helspawn.

I think a large part of it might be Alieh's personality which is way too Abrasive and overly competitive for my taste, but I can't shake the feeling that something is just missing. Whatever the case I don't feel like going back through those scenes and I won't be bothering with Aileh ever again from here on.
 

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I really liked her whole romance, we got to see more of her and importantly she got to interact with other characters/her environment. I'd like to see more in the same vein. I found her and Freja incredibly adorable. It's all subjective though I dig that.

She's kinda the opposite of Zo's for me where we didn't learn anything new about the character, she still feels like she exists entirely in the imagination of our character.
 

mikethor007

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She's kinda the opposite of Zo's for me where we didn't learn anything new about the character, she still feels like she exists entirely in the imagination of our character.
It's one of the challenges of interacting with a mute character. She can't really explain the specifics of her previous life. Either the champ would have to be very patient and content themselves with possibly not getting it in detail, or they would have to do the legwork (of finding out about Zo) themselves.
 

Acharehnus

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Oh I totally get that, my main issue is the writing for her while isolating her character to much was still really great. It just feels like a backstory had yet to be decided on before writing her starting a family expansion, like it's treading water until that could be ironed out and more interactions with the world could flow from that. It's likely that's something that's coming down the road though so it's not a major complaint.
 

Kyubi Xiaolong

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my personal gripe? as a kitsune the only way to have a fox face and fur over entire body and fox legs and arms is through a save editor

that and there are 5 party member slots but 2 are reserved for 1 summon and quest companions.... why not allow 3 companions and have the 5th slot be for summons (since you can only have 1) and quest only characters

third gripe..... garret nor his mother are companions....
 
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my personal gripe? as a kitsune the only way to have a fox face and fur over entire body and fox legs and arms is through a save editor
Kitsune are supposed to be mostly human with fox attributes, at least in this game.

that and there are 5 party member slots but 2 are reserved for 1 summon and quest companions.... why not allow 3 companions and have the 5th slot be for summons (since you can only have 1) and quest only characters
That would be a balancing nightmare, plain and simple.

third gripe..... garret nor his mother are companions....
Once upon a time, garret was considered to be a companion. But he was dropped for kiyoko. Also, only established writers are allowed to make a companion, and they're limited to one. Expecting are lead dev Savin (who went insane making three and almost made a fourth) wsan (who loopholed the limit) and B (who had to take over Berwyn due to Hugs leaving).
 

Kyubi Xiaolong

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That would be a balancing nightmare, plain and simple.
except the game is technically already balanced to deal with a party of 5, so it would not be changing much

and regarding the kitsune thing, since i dont know how to add a qoute to an edit

the full beast kitsune is far more accurate to the actual kitsune lore, i know the game has them a certain way but is it really bad to want to be a full furry kitsune?
 

Tide Hunter

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except the game is technically already balanced to deal with a party of 5, so it would not be changing much
No, the game is balanced to have a party of 3. The summons are generally weaker than your companions, just providing some bonus damage and having a rather low health pool, and it doesn't expect everyone to use a summon, on account of there not being a dedicated summon power slot rather than the summons being Encounter abilities. The summons are more like 0.5 of a party member. Also your proposition would bar the use of summons when you have a temporary party member. Speaking of these temporary companions, they usually accompany you for an encounter or a dungeon, and these are the only locations which are balanced around having a party of 4, rather than 3. That's because they're the only places where you have a party of 4. This game's encounters are balanced around the number of party members you have in a location, not the number of spots on the left side of the screen.
the full beast kitsune is far more accurate to the actual kitsune lore, i know the game has them a certain way but is it really bad to want to be a full furry kitsune?
This game's lore isn't real life mythology. I think the kitsune here do have a beastial version, yeah, but they only turn into that when they starve, at which point they also go mad/feral. At least, if I remember correctly.
 
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Once upon a time, garret was considered to be a companion. But he was dropped for kiyoko. Also, only established writers are allowed to make a companion, and they're limited to one. Expecting are lead dev Savin (who went insane making three and almost made a fourth) wsan (who loopholed the limit) and B (who had to take over Berwyn due to Hugs leaving).
More importantly, companion submissions have been closed since November 2021.
 

Kyubi Xiaolong

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just asking for the ability for the player to use fox berries to go furry kitsune that should be a thing instead of being locked out of it

also what about the ability to only have one summon? it makes having berwyn and etherryn and/or using a summon power when they are with you kinda of bad since only one summon, why not expand to allow 2 summons like player summon slot and companion summon slot
 

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Except that in this setting, kitsune and vulperines are not the same thing and the way soulbinding works means that of course you're going to be locked out of changes that take you away from what your god of choice has decided Their Chosen Ones should look like. The game could not have made this way that soulbinding locks your appearance more obvious.

When a floof takes on a more bestial appearance, it is a Bad Thing. This is part of the lore that the setting has established.
 
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Kitsune going bestial is a very not good thing, though there's time's when they might manifest some of the traits(like during certain scenes with Kiyoko/Rindo/Miko) due to the heightened emotional states.
 

Kyubi Xiaolong

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yes but lupines go huminoid beast with the wolf head and muzzle and full body fur as does the vulperines, why is it bad for a kitsune to want the full body fur and fox muzzle/privates?
 

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Have you actually read any of the text when they talk about how the kitsune work in this setting and why going bestial is a Bad Thing, or is your gripe entirely based on 'But I want them to look differently than they do!'? Because this is explained in the game and when they start to look less human and more fox-like it means they're starting to lose control of themselves and that is Not Good.

But if you wan the ultimate TLDR on this, kitsune look the way they do (and not like anthro foxes) because that's what the devs wanted and it's not changing.
 

Kyubi Xiaolong

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Have you actually read any of the text when they talk about how the kitsune work in this setting and why going bestial is a Bad Thing, or is your gripe entirely based on 'But I want them to look differently than they do!'? Because this is explained in the game and when they start to look less human and more fox-like it means they're starting to lose control of themselves and that is Not Good.

But if you wan the ultimate TLDR on this, kitsune look the way they do (and not like anthro foxes) because that's what the devs wanted and it's not changing.
no my gripe is that you cant be a lupine one once going with out save editing.....and this is a grip thread not a suggestion thread anyways so let me gripe please

i have another grip now aswell... half leo cait... i was not expecting that i thought hey she would be bigger and fluffier based on how they said it works in game.....and thought hey maybe she gets a new set to work with......or at least some new sex options but nope its just a base image swap....
 
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