Your gripes with CoC II

[Sacremas]

Here's another gripe on something I just realized; Why doesn't demon Viv have demon resistances and weaknesses? In fact, why is there so little difference between human and demon Viv? Serious ball-drop on that character, which is a big reason why I barely bother using that character, I'm just annoyed about it feeling kinda half-arsed currently. Plus, Berry was better for the party role anyway.

Beyond adding Demon resistances and weaknesses to her, to properly differentiate between the two and make it a choice different than "do you want her to sometimes be blue during sex?" should really add two more gear sets to her; pure Viv looked at the properties in the Succubus Milk and figured out how to attack demons properly, gaining a variety of holy-based spells as a sort of exorcist type, shook by the fate she narrowly avoided, and demon Viv who just chugged the lot of it embraces her corruption and gains Blight and Lust based spells in a Temptress set or something like that (and maybe have her wolf summon get a bit of a hellhoundish morph in the process). Now add different Wayfort events depending on her form, demon Viv having sexy demon events with Farrah and the Alarune, pure Viv having more serious events with Dalzia and Elthara (when she's visiting) talking about warding soldiers and citizens from corruption and what steps could be taken for the future. Flavor texts only, but maybe pure Viv could have a ritual devised similar to Zo's corruption cleansing, small amount and once per day, while on the other end demon Viv's sex scenes now corrupt you just like when fucking other demons.

Currently, much like Agnimitra, she's just there. Redundant character that the main reason I bother doing the quest for is just to get her as an easily accessible merchant in the Wayfort, who's abilities are mostly covered by Cait anyway, and who's big twist really end up as a tiny bit of flavor text.

 

[Emerald]

Relating to the Rune gripe yeah I'm not into the joke either. When you hear it constantly everywhere you do get tired of it after all. ^^' (And yes, ik it's a joke, but it's overdone if that makes any sense) And even then, it's not like the Champ hasn't also smooched others, hugged others, and had sex in the missionary position. So it's like Sorry Rune, already beat you to it if you think my champ still chaste in that sense. lol

 

[Orange Juice Jones]

Something I've felt for a while but I still have is with the Kitsune's in general
They at least in the first game were presented as tricksy and mischievous but in COCII they are largely rigid and soulless
They also just don't feel connected to their world and instead feel like the author just took a bunch of stereotypes about the rigidness of JP society combined with a bunch of weeb references and just slammed it into the game.

 

[Sacremas]

Something I've felt for a while but I still have is with the Kitsune's in general
They at least in the first game were presented as tricksy and mischievous but in COCII they are largely rigid and soulless
They also just don't feel connected to their world and instead feel like the author just took a bunch of stereotypes about the rigidness of JP society combined with a bunch of weeb references and just slammed it into the game.

Pretty much; while a lot of the Kitsune content is really well done, and I might even be genuinely interested if Tobs were to do a stand-alone game or novel focused on them or the like, in this game they feel so out of place and shoehorned in I just don't care about them. I like some of the Kitsune (merchant midget, burned flower, lumberjack and ninja, would probably enjoy the new guy as well but honestly haven't picked up the courage to care about them since his introduction, and the one character I actually made an effort to get into that content with was a male character most assuredly not into his thing) enough to keep redoing their content, but as a whole they feel too out of place, with frequently an over-abundance of text that just doesn't add to anything else in the game that I end up skipping most of the time except for with those characters.

 

[War Demon]

Something I've felt for a while but I still have is with the Kitsune's in general
They at least in the first game were presented as tricksy and mischievous but in COCII they are largely rigid and soulless
They also just don't feel connected to their world and instead feel like the author just took a bunch of stereotypes about the rigidness of JP society combined with a bunch of weeb references and just slammed it into the game.

Don't even get me started on the Kitsune, I feel like maybe the only two. Out of all of the others I find Miko and Mai to be the most. Open, and genuine with their opinions of the champ. Everyone else Komari, Keros, Nakano, and Even Kiyoko, and Kinu all just treat the champ like crap.

Oh that is what the Author did he even admitted it in another post. If I find it I'll post it here. But back to what I was saying I find Miko and Mai the most enjoyable, but that's just me.

 

[War Demon]

Here's another gripe If people needing a reality check. Garth for fuck sakes you get Gwyn Pregnant. He goes into this big threatening manner of be responsible and don't go making Gwyn cry. Then you save Garret Garth gives him a lecture about responsibility.

But when comes to bringing Gweyr home, being responsible for lying to kids, the Champ, Cait and everything. Boy does Garth flip fucking switch there. I just kinda wish I could just take everything Garth told me, and throw it back in it back in his face, ya know?

 

[War Demon]

Oh that is what the Author did he even admitted it in another post

Found it.

The sense of alienation is real and intentional. You will never be a not-Japanese, can never be a not-Japanese, and will never be a not-Japanese no matter what happens, no matter what you do. You can marry a not-Japanese woman and get a not-Japanese passport, and everyone will smile and be impeccably polite; and as far as they're concerned you're the foreigner with the not-Japanese passport. You are welcomed, but made to remember your status as a guest. Even in your own home, with a family that wholeheartedly loves you, you can never be, will never be fully one of them. And in this world, it's more than a matter of the body, spirit or culture; it digs right down into the metaphysical. You are made to feel keenly aware of this when kitsune speak not-Japanese in your presence, or you cannot read the language and someone has to translate for you, or you make some silly social blunder. Not even a god can make you one of them, or at least not until the reverse mortgage on your soul runs out. You have never felt the hunger which has dominated their entire existences and has shaped their entire society.

It is an intentional emotional arm-twist.

they are largely rigid and soulless
They also just don't feel connected to their world and instead feel like the author just took a bunch of stereotypes about the rigidness of JP society combined with a bunch of weeb references and just slammed it into the game

See that exactly what The author intended except for the weeb stuff. More of an emotional arm twist, which gotta say they did a great job. At this point my emotion towards them is resentful, except for Miko and Mai. Seriously team M&M they're the most enjoyable, at least the most tolerable.

 

[Melancholy Man]

Oof no love Meira, I was Senja stand anyway and honestly surprised to see Rune hate when Salwah exist.
I like the fact that the foxes are xenophobic assholes but I don't like that the champ is made to just obey and comply, taking Tobs metaphor/parallel of the Foxes being Japanese and then make Us (the PC) America. We've demonstrated that if we wanted to we could've probably ended their colony before Keros would've taken notice.

 

[Gabranth]

Oof no love Meira, I was Senja stand anyway and honestly surprised to see Rune hate when Salwah exist.

Wait, why Salwah?

 

[Sacremas]

Oof no love Meira, I was Senja stand anyway and honestly surprised to see Rune hate when Salwah exist.
I like the fact that the foxes are xenophobic assholes but I don't like that the champ is made to just obey and comply, taking Tobs metaphor/parallel of the Foxes being Japanese and then make Us (the PC) America. We've demonstrated that if we wanted to we could've probably ended their colony before Keros would've taken notice.

Yeah, that's the thing. If we just showed up there, and assume everyone's super powerful old spirits, then okay, sure, having to lead into that and just take it as we got it might make sense.

But we didn't. We didn't show up like some American Gaijin wanting to make peace and love. We showed up with our friends Fat Man and Little Boy and spanked their floofy asses so hard, they know we could wipe out their entire species on the continent if we chose. We aren't no fucking visiting Gaijin. We're the US Fucking Army come to demilitarize their floofy asses.

 

[Melancholy Man]

Wait, why Salwah?

Ok peep my perspective, spend good money on making sure a church you don't like gets made to make Cait happy, and then find out you have this arrogant ass broad intros herself then talks down to you (mind you tho, I was fresh off the fight with Lurling so I was not in the mood to tolerate this shit). Then you gotta pay her to have sex with her and pay even more to get a kid, and if you soften up and send the catgirl harem away she's the only option for kittens. Then even worse is that she pays you for hoe activity, which is so low it's humiliating (even with 7 sex perks it's a drop in the hat compared to the cash we pull) like have they not heard of the PC? And we don't even get the option to say its not about the money...

 

[Melancholy Man]

So, off topic but I'm looking at Princess Phyria and how her summon requires too much for too little compensation. She takes up a Neck slot (that gives no benefits and no the sex scenes aren't worth it cause they're the same ones from the event) and an Encounter ability slot unless there is a hidden mechanic I'm not seeing a reason to use her over Storm Moo and anything her below her does a better job than her.

 

[Emerald]

Ok peep my perspective, spend good money on making sure a church you don't like gets made to make Cait happy, and then find out you have this arrogant ass broad intros herself then talks down to you (mind you tho, I was fresh off the fight with Lurling so I was not in the mood to tolerate this shit). Then you gotta pay her to have sex with her and pay even more to get a kid, and if you soften up and send the catgirl harem away she's the only option for kittens. Then even worse is that she pays you for hoe activity, which is so low it's humiliating (even with 7 sex perks it's a drop in the hat compared to the cash we pull) like have they not heard of the PC? And we don't even get the option to say its not about the money...

I think the point is that she's a prostitute so nope, it IS about the money. That's kinda the point of ''sex for money'' characters lol

 

[Gabranth]

Ok peep my perspective, spend good money on making sure a church you don't like gets made to make Cait happy, and then find out you have this arrogant ass broad intros herself then talks down to you (mind you tho, I was fresh off the fight with Lurling so I was not in the mood to tolerate this shit).

Thought that might be the reason.
Some characters just have a way to be annoying without trying, don't they?

And don't get me started with the mess that is having kids raised in the Temple.

 

[Melancholy Man]

I think the point is that she's a prostitute so nope, it IS about the money. That's kinda the point of ''sex for money'' characters lol

But to the Champ it really isn't about the money, peep game: why would I pay for the temple to only pump more money into it? Our PC is a Satyromaniac/Nymphomanic, it ain't about the money so don't insult us by giving us $60 after some service. It's about the clout.

 

[Melancholy Man]

Thought that might be the reason.
Some characters just have a way to be annoying without trying, don't they?

And don't get me started with the mess that is having kids raised in the Temple.

It gets worse

 

[War Demon]

This should be fun list in order of who you think. Need's a slice of humble pie, the first 3 being the one people, who doesn't just need a slice but the whole damn pie.

1. Garth
2. All of the Kitsune as a whole excluding Miko and Mai
3. Rune
4. Evelyn
5. Mallach
6. Sanders
7. Lyla

 

[Melancholy Man]

This should be fun list in order of who you think. Need's a slice of humble pie, the first 3 being the one people, who doesn't just need a slice but the whole damn pie.

1. Garth
2. All of the Kitsune as a whole excluding Miko and Mai
3. Rune
4. Evelyn
5. Mallach
6. Sanders
7. Lyla

1. Why Garth? I'm pretty sure we've humbled the man to the point that it's downright cruel. We can turn his daughter into a broodmare, we not only put that child support Orcpup on him but also bang her (if you like), we chu him out on him handling the cult indecent, we carry his wife back to him, and to paraphrase the words of Chris Rock "We can facilitate a dream" for his kids better than he ever could.
2. Understandable
3. Definitely
4. Why is she so low? Have you seen the complaints for her? She needs the whole bakery
5. Yeh
6. Why? He's a retired shonen protag, let him cook in peace.
7. She's Evelyn-lite and the fact that you skip all that mischievous stuff is nice. But I do want some fair play with her tho, especially with that Baslik venom; to tease her with Wyvern Venom would be the best schadenfreude/just deserts, nothing in bad faith because I do like her. I've been wanting to write it for her too.

 

[SmithEK]

This should be fun list in order of who you think. Need's a slice of humble pie, the first 3 being the one people, who doesn't just need a slice but the whole damn pie.

1. Garth
2. All of the Kitsune as a whole excluding Miko and Mai
3. Rune
4. Evelyn
5. Mallach
6. Sanders
7. Lyla

Kitsune definitely.
Sanders definitely.
Mallach - who?

I don't see why Evelyn or Garth need to be humbled though.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Something I've felt for a while but I still have is with the Kitsune's in general
They at least in the first game were presented as tricksy and mischievous but in COCII they are largely rigid and soulless
They also just don't feel connected to their world and instead feel like the author just took a bunch of stereotypes about the rigidness of JP society combined with a bunch of weeb references and just slammed it into the game.

Don't even get me started on the Kitsune, I feel like maybe the only two. Out of all of the others I find Miko and Mai to be the most. Open, and genuine with their opinions of the champ. Everyone else Komari, Keros, Nakano, and Even Kiyoko, and Kinu all just treat the champ like crap.

Oh that is what the Author did he even admitted it in another post. If I find it I'll post it here. But back to what I was saying I find Miko and Mai the most enjoyable, but that's just me.

Honestly, as much as I wish Kiyoko had more content and interactions with non-kitsune characters, and despise the walls of text some Kinu stories force us to read, I don't see the othering by the Kitsune in half as bad a light. I mean, culture clash is a thing. It'd be boring boring as sin if none of these in-game races and cultures had values that were out of step with the modern day, especially given the circa-medieval technology level of the setting.

Here's another gripe If people needing a reality check. Garth for fuck sakes you get Gwyn Pregnant. He goes into this big threatening manner of be responsible and don't go making Gwyn cry. Then you save Garret Garth gives him a lecture about responsibility.

But when comes to bringing Gweyr home, being responsible for lying to kids, the Champ, Cait and everything. Boy does Garth flip fucking switch there. I just kinda wish I could just take everything Garth told me, and throw it back in it back in his face, ya know?

The wolf family certainly hit my hard limit on drama levels in the game, but they did a good job (at least IMO) contriving a scenario where nobody was really in the right. My big complaint was always "'Why go there in this porn game?" But if you think the devs are gonna let you try and rip him a new belly button, I wouldn't get your hopes up.

 

[War Demon]

1. Why Garth?

Garth need to be humbled though.

Garth for when you bring Gweyr home after telling us. Not to go breaking Gwyn's heart and telling us all about be responsible. All that shit the champ tells Garth the champ's going with Garret to bring Gweyr home.

It's the responsible thing to do Garth doesn't want to hear it. In fact when The Champ, Garret, and Garth have that little talk Garth almost came close to throwing fist at us. If it weren't for Gwyn stepping in, that's why I think Garth need's to be humbled a bit.

Maybe not the number one spot I'll admit that, I'll switch Evelyn with Garth.

I don't see why Evelyn

Evelyn treats The Champ like a cumdump always has to be on top. Then when the Champ make's her a dragon, Evelyn Tells Ashe is going to do once she become's a dragon.

Evelyn says go back down to belhar and bring everyone under one banner. Set all the lower class free. Yet she uses the Champ as if he is a slave. I need to re-read the part where Evelyn gives Ashe the full rundown of what Evelyn will do when she becomes a dragon.

Anyway that was my list what's everyone else's list.

 

[War Demon]

The wolf family certainly hit my hard limit on drama levels in the game, but they did a good job (at least IMO) contriving a scenario where nobody was really in the right. My big complaint was always "'Why go there in this porn game?" But if you think the devs are gonna let you try and rip him a new belly button, I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I'm not looking for another reason to try and rip Garth a new one. I'm just saying it would've been nice. If I got to say to Garth, "It seems someone doesn't like being told his not being Responsible. When it comes to his own wife, and kids huh Garth? You can dish it out, but can't take it huh?"

That's all when we where already ripping Garth about Gweyr. But what's done is done.

 

[Melancholy Man]

Garth for when you bring Gweyr home after telling us. Not to go breaking Gwyn's heart and telling us all about be responsible. All that shit the champ tells Garth the champ's going with Garret to bring Gweyr home.

It's the responsible thing to do Garth doesn't want to hear it. In fact when The Champ, Garret, and Garth have that little talk Garth almost came close to throwing fist at us. If it weren't for Gwyn stepping in, that's why I think Garth need's to be humbled a bit.

Funny you say that because its the same exact thing the kitsune do to us in our own home, and that pissed everyone off. You don't come into a man's home then comment and demand he changes how he runs things. Of course, he's going to swing at you even if you are right, emotions run high when the nature of the argument is deeply personal. I think they handled well, did want the champ to throw his responsibility speech back at him, which then would allow him some growth as a character if he accepted it. But it is what it is.

 

[Sacremas]

I just don't see the dislike for Evelyn... I mean she kinda lets you know right from the start what she's all about, and your first interaction if you don't just leave her (which you have two prompts for if it's not for you) is to either sit on her dick, or kneel before her dick... that should kinda let you know what her content is going to be about. And you do actually get to fuck her, and more to it, if you have a virgin dick when you get to that point, you take her anal virginity in the process as thanks for all the rest of it (which I on one character I did with a 30 inch horse cock I had been careful not to use while rushing through her stuff, and yes she reacts nicely to that lol). I also feel that compared Arona (and even Arille, partially) she has fairly loving/gentle dom content, she just happens to be on top most of the time.

 

[Gabranth]

I just don't see the dislike for Evelyn... I mean she kinda lets you know right from the start what she's all about, and your first interaction if you don't just leave her (which you have two prompts for if it's not for you) is to either sit on her dick, or kneel before her dick... that should kinda let you know what her content is going to be about.

I'll make a dangerous guess and say that most of the playerbase just aren't into it.

To that, add that you can't interact with her unless you submit, which sucks.

And you feel like a cumrag most of the time. Ultimately, Evelyn suffers the same fate DomArona does.

Just my opinion, as someone who did her route.

 

[War Demon]

did want the champ to throw his responsibility speech back at him

That's all I'm saying too, really. Other than that Garth's good that's why I said. I shouldn't have put him in the top 3 in my list.

I'll make a dangerous guess and say that most of the playerbase just aren't into it.

To that, add that you can't interact with her unless you submit, which sucks.

And you feel like a cumrag most of the time. Ultimately, Evelyn suffers the same fate DomArona does.

Just my opinion, as someone who did her route.

When it comes to the Dom/Sub stuff with everyone everyone else. They are least give the option if you want to sub or not. Even Kas let's you choose, Evelyn nope.

When you do get to fuck Evelyn in the ass. She's doing it while reading a book, because she thinks your a one pump chump. That the champ's so terrible at actually fucking, that's she won't feel anything.

So yeah you get to fuck Evelyn but, it's not like she stopped humiliating you. And when you make her a Dragon she get's even worse. Whenever Evelyn says anything nice it feel's patronizing to me.

 

[Gabranth]

When you do get to fuck Evelyn in the ass. She's doing it while reading a book, because she thinks your a one pump chump. That the champ's so terrible at actually fucking, that's she won't feel anything.

So yeah you get to fuck Evelyn but, it's not like she stopped humiliating you. And when you make her a Dragon she get's even worse. Whenever Evelyn says anything nice it feel's patronizing to me.

Ah, I totally forgot about the humiliation part.

Who thought this combination was a good idea, anyways?

Kinda wish every "dom content" scene in the game was written by Alypia.

 

[Sacremas]

When you do get to fuck Evelyn in the ass. She's doing it while reading a book, because she thinks your a one pump chump. That the champ's so terrible at actually fucking, that's she won't feel anything.

Again, she gives you her buttginity, she's playing up the part but she's actually never had anything or anyone up there until that scene, made clear if you are a penile virgin as well when you get to that point, at which point her reaction is a lot more genuine. And even in that reading scene, if you haven't made her give up that reading like a third into the scene and end up a blubbering mess barely able to stay coherent... then I think I'm playing very different characters than the rest of you, lol.

Also, DomArona and Arille; exists. Arille is pretty much the same thing as Evelyn, except way more "abusive" and you usually get to use your dick, and at the fifth scene you do get to turn the tables (generally same ratio as with Evelyn). And DomArona is like on another level.

And again, you get warned about what Evelyn is going to be about pretty explicitly , and then you have to purposefully go back to her over and over. I feel like half the butthurt on display here (mentally and literally I guess, heh), is because the new dragon spear stuff "forced" people to do her stuff just to see DragonLyn content, as opposed to that being an expansion for people that was already doing her content. Most of my characters I apologize and close the door to her, because they aren't into that, but I appreciate the content for what it is on characters who are into it.

 

[War Demon]

Again, she gives you her buttginity, she's playing up the part but she's actually never had anything or anyone up there until that scene, made clear if you are a penile virgin as well when you get to that point, at which point her reaction is a lot more genuine. And even in that reading scene, if you haven't made her give up that reading like a third into the scene and end up a blubbering mess barely able to stay coherent... then I think I'm playing very different characters than the rest of you, lol.

Also, DomArona and Arille; exists. Arille is pretty much the same thing as Evelyn, except way more "abusive" and you usually get to use your dick, and at the fifth scene you do get to turn the tables (generally same ratio as with Evelyn). And DomArona is like on another level.

And again, you get warned about what Evelyn is going to be about pretty explicitly , and then you have to purposefully go back to her over and over. I feel like half the butthurt on display here (mentally and literally I guess, heh), is because the new dragon spear stuff "forced" people to do her stuff just to see DragonLyn content, as opposed to that being an expansion for people that was already doing her content. Most of my characters I apologize and close the door to her, because they aren't into that, but I appreciate the content for what it is on characters who are into it.

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Yeah It's more of the DragonLyn now if I want to breath fire when level 10. Finally arrives the best chance I got at getting the Dragon Breath is stealing it from her. Plus it's just one of those things that you gotta be into.

I mean the first time I did it I thought it be just like every other dom/sub situation. Where eventually you get the option if you want to be on top of bottom. But no not only does that not happen, but the champ literally goes out and buys a maid outfit, Evelyn.

Like I said in one of my previous posts after I get the dragon breath power. It's like "Evelyn who?"

 

[Sacremas]

I mirrored Fire Breath and one other power from Kas, and I'm pretty sure there's going to be more characters with that power before level 10, especially considering the fucking years it took to get this far. So I'm sorry dude, that's a weak-as-absolute-fuck excuse, lmao.