Your gripes with CoC II

[ForeverLurker]

Since nobody bothered to answer my question here or in the General Bullshit forum, I'll leave out some of my original comment and make this quick.
1. I loved seeing so many dark-skinned/furred* characters/enemies and ran with the headcanon that they were all BIPOC.
2. I eventually started to dread seeing them and hoped the next person was always light-skinned/furred.
3. Much of the writing gives off the impression that the writers were actively engaging in (casual) racism.
3a. See Gwyneth having a "dirty white undercoat" (as opposed to "off-white") and being called "Domestic", which was conveniently replaced with "Homely" on her wiki. She's basically a mammy (racist caricature of African-American women).
4. Even though I managed to make it just past the Dog Days quest and declined Hethia's offer (SPOILER: she turns on you, right? ), playing this game feels ick, so I'm just gonna quit. Thanks for making it. Sucks that y'all made it racist.

*including brown

Dude Im black and that whole post is just wtf...

 

[TheIrishOtaku]

Since nobody bothered to answer my question here or in the General Bullshit forum, I'll leave out some of my original comment and make this quick.
1. I loved seeing so many dark-skinned/furred* characters/enemies and ran with the headcanon that they were all BIPOC.
2. I eventually started to dread seeing them and hoped the next person was always light-skinned/furred.
3. Much of the writing gives off the impression that the writers were actively engaging in (casual) racism.
3a. See Gwyneth having a "dirty white undercoat" (as opposed to "off-white") and being called "Domestic", which was conveniently replaced with "Homely" on her wiki. She's basically a mammy (racist caricature of African-American women).
4. Even though I managed to make it just past the Dog Days quest and declined Hethia's offer (SPOILER: she turns on you, right? ), playing this game feels ick, so I'm just gonna quit. Thanks for making it. Sucks that y'all made it racist.

*including brown

 

[Kingu2]

Since nobody bothered to answer my question here or in the General Bullshit forum, I'll leave out some of my original comment and make this quick.
1. I loved seeing so many dark-skinned/furred* characters/enemies and ran with the headcanon that they were all BIPOC.
2. I eventually started to dread seeing them and hoped the next person was always light-skinned/furred.
3. Much of the writing gives off the impression that the writers were actively engaging in (casual) racism.
3a. See Gwyneth having a "dirty white undercoat" (as opposed to "off-white") and being called "Domestic", which was conveniently replaced with "Homely" on her wiki. She's basically a mammy (racist caricature of African-American women).
4. Even though I managed to make it just past the Dog Days quest and declined Hethia's offer (SPOILER: she turns on you, right? ), playing this game feels ick, so I'm just gonna quit. Thanks for making it. Sucks that y'all made it racist.

*including brown

 

[Melancholy Man]

Since nobody bothered to answer my question here or in the General Bullshit forum, I'll leave out some of my original comment and make this quick.
1. I loved seeing so many dark-skinned/furred* characters/enemies and ran with the headcanon that they were all BIPOC.
2. I eventually started to dread seeing them and hoped the next person was always light-skinned/furred.
3. Much of the writing gives off the impression that the writers were actively engaging in (casual) racism.
3a. See Gwyneth having a "dirty white undercoat" (as opposed to "off-white") and being called "Domestic", which was conveniently replaced with "Homely" on her wiki. She's basically a mammy (racist caricature of African-American women).
4. Even though I managed to make it just past the Dog Days quest and declined Hethia's offer (SPOILER: she turns on you, right? ), playing this game feels ick, so I'm just gonna quit. Thanks for making it. Sucks that y'all made it racist.

*including brown

Oh my...I got my Schizo moments but gadum brov, how'd you come to this conclusion? I'm very interested to hear.

 

[Emerald]

Dude Im black and that whole post is just wtf...

agreed. As a black woman I also say what the fuck is that post because it makes no sense and sounds like just being offended to be offended.
Like go away newbie if you're just gonna spout shit.

 

[Acharehnus]

I will say though that one of my big complaints with the way races are written is how uniform they are. If there were real world analogues to these races it absolutely would be racist like for example the kitsune. Almost all of the characters are stereotypical of their race and that sucks.

There isn't anywhere near as clear a real world analogue for the other races as them though. Kinda surprised you wouldn't lead with them.

 

[Kesil]

It's what's known as a "planet of hats".

 

[Acharehnus]

I call it lazy and in the kitsunes case, uncomfortably racist writing.

You don't get to try to call their whole xenophobic shtick justifiable when they have constant contact with other cultures and live a days walk from another races capital.

 

[Dr. Bootytaste]

Who's justifying it? I thought that was the point? They are xenophobic. They colloquially refer to the locals as barbarians for chrissake. They're a group of holier than thou, "cultured" colonizers. The worst they get up to is rape, that's pretty mundane in this game. Compared to real world analogues, they're pretty tame.

 

[Melancholy Man]

I like Fantasy racism; it gives the world depth. I remember back in the day some ppl would complain about Skyrim having casual racism but that's gold because everyone in Skyrim was racist to the point where it had race fetishists. The lusty Argonian is the most memorable meme next to "You're finally awake?"

 

[Kesil]

I tried to explain, not to justify. Especially as I dislike the "baka gaijin" kitsune behaviour. Generally speaking, I tend to dislike the "x, in [setting]!" approaches.
Whilst I am more than okay with the product in question featuring "questionable" activities and characters, I do hate it when almost every single member of a given collective will cling on to them for dear life. Or "positive" ones, mind you.

 

[Acharehnus]

I like Fantasy racism; it gives the world depth

There's no depth to an entire race behaving the same.

if the skull measurers over at D&D can understand that, surely I would think ANYONE can.

 

[Melancholy Man]

There's no depth to an entire race behaving the same.

Tell that to Japan, there is a reason the stereotypes exist...whether you like it or not.

 

[Folly]

I like Fantasy racism; it gives the world depth. I remember back in the day some ppl would complain about Skyrim having casual racism but that's gold because everyone in Skyrim was racist to the point where it had race fetishists. The lusty Argonian is the most memorable meme next to "You're finally awake?"

Agreed here, especially in terms of Morrowind. As for its place in fantasy in general, or CoC, it does give the world depth. No, it's not exactly 'cool' or acceptable, even in these fantasy worlds, but it's not like we're pretending it is. It just emphasises cultures in these worlds having a history with each other, and tells the reader you're not exactly 'living' in a perfect world (that you're reading). It's a good plot device, as long as you're not making RL connotations with it ofc.

 

[Tide Hunter]

1. I loved seeing so many dark-skinned/furred* characters/enemies and ran with the headcanon that they were all BIPOC.

2. I eventually started to dread seeing them and hoped the next person was always light-skinned/furred.

So, you inserted race into this game and attached it to... who, even? Given that you quit at Dog Days, the only dark-skinned or dark-furred characters in the Old Forest are Brint (who is one of the game's companion characters and who, I will note, comes from a culture which is literally "what if Rome was made up of minotaurs and cowgirls?"), the hornets, Azyrran, and one of the three members of the Wyld Elf Band. These make up the minority of characters in the old forest. And it's really weird because you seeming to hope that you would run into a "light-skinned" character seems like... well... racism.

3. Much of the writing gives off the impression that the writers were actively engaging in (casual) racism.

3a. See Gwyneth having a "dirty white undercoat" (as opposed to "off-white") and being called "Domestic", which was conveniently replaced with "Homely" on her wiki. She's basically a mammy (racist caricature of African-American women).

She's a humanoid dog. Lupines are based off of dogs and wolves. And even if I buy into your idea that fur colors tie into race (as opposed to the characters which are part of fantasy races largely being fantasy races with an extremely loose connection to the real world), looking at your source there are basically no traits whatsoever which connects Gwyneth to what's listed there. I feel like you could only possibly draw this conclusion if you just didn't engage with her at all and just made immediate assumptions using your own prejudices.

4. Even though I managed to make it just past the Dog Days quest and declined Hethia's offer (SPOILER: she turns on you, right? ), playing this game feels ick, so I'm just gonna quit. Thanks for making it. Sucks that y'all made it racist.

And here we see how obviously you've brought your assumptions into this. I'm not sure what exactly you think Hethia's offer is, since there's a few things I could see as being offers from her and you don't describe what path you took through the quest, but to put it simply, there is no path in which she turns on you without you expressly, directly, being hostile. She acts standoffish, but that's about it.
Given that you say it was an offer which you declines, I'm going to guess that what happened is that you did diplomacy and got to the point where she showed up and offered sex, and instead of going "this is a porn game and the character I resolved things peacefully with is interested in sex, of course there's going to be sex if I accept this" you jumped straight to a completely uncharitable (and utterly unwarranted) conclusion.

 

[Ria Brew]

Since nobody bothered to answer my question here or in the General Bullshit forum, I'll leave out some of my original comment and make this quick.
1. I loved seeing so many dark-skinned/furred* characters/enemies and ran with the headcanon that they were all BIPOC.
2. I eventually started to dread seeing them and hoped the next person was always light-skinned/furred.
3. Much of the writing gives off the impression that the writers were actively engaging in (casual) racism.
3a. See Gwyneth having a "dirty white undercoat" (as opposed to "off-white") and being called "Domestic", which was conveniently replaced with "Homely" on her wiki. She's basically a mammy (racist caricature of African-American women).
4. Even though I managed to make it just past the Dog Days quest and declined Hethia's offer (SPOILER: she turns on you, right? ), playing this game feels ick, so I'm just gonna quit. Thanks for making it. Sucks that y'all made it racist.

*including brown

Wait, so you headcanoned in real-world race equivalent and then got mad at the devs for writing what you interpret as racist when aligned with your headcanon????

Do you really not realize you literally invented this problem for yourself? Nobody made it racist, you did.

 

[Gingham]

Since nobody bothered to answer my question here or in the General Bullshit forum, I'll leave out some of my original comment and make this quick.
1. I loved seeing so many dark-skinned/furred* characters/enemies and ran with the headcanon that they were all BIPOC.
2. I eventually started to dread seeing them and hoped the next person was always light-skinned/furred.
3. Much of the writing gives off the impression that the writers were actively engaging in (casual) racism.
3a. See Gwyneth having a "dirty white undercoat" (as opposed to "off-white") and being called "Domestic", which was conveniently replaced with "Homely" on her wiki. She's basically a mammy (racist caricature of African-American women).
4. Even though I managed to make it just past the Dog Days quest and declined Hethia's offer (SPOILER: she turns on you, right? ), playing this game feels ick, so I'm just gonna quit. Thanks for making it. Sucks that y'all made it racist.

*including brown

As a black person....what the absolute hell is this guy even talking about? How did they even get the mammy part? Isn't Gwyen (i probably misspelled her name, my bad) supposed to be a caretaker? And if she is, she def doesn't give mammy vibes what so ever imo. All i see is a whole bunch of nothing trying to be said. Which is sad considering that's what I do but whatever.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

They're in the walls, they're in the goddamn walls.

https://imgur.com/YQZSIMy

 

[Sacremas]

Is this a bad time to mention how I'm sometimes uncomfortable with the casual use of "knife-ear" even in dialogue when talking to Elves, be that NPCs or elven MC?

 

[Kesil]

It certainly isn't.

 

[Melancholy Man]

That racy post really threw a pungent vibe, eh?
In other news, while looking for the doc I need to edit in Notepad to give myself Horn of the Tides I realized that Drag Evelyn and Demo Ryn have the same nutsack, not a gripe just an observation.
But I would like a scene with demon Ryn tho since she has a full portrait it'd be a shame to waste it.

 

[Sacremas]

I think Demon Ryn is sexing in one of the Bad Ends. Not sure, only really found the wraith troll during the journey there to be anything worth raising an eyebrow over, otherwise main problem I had with that quest was mirroring all the powers before they died. Knowing Alissa had nothing I needed to mirror was such fun though, finally I'd be able to actually fight instead of just letting Daliza hack them to shred while I was doing defend and the occasional war cry to keep aggro, one application of the Daybreak power and Etheryn using her ult and all her minions were down and she was on second phase, then one Smite Evil and fight was done, it was... very anticlimactic. But given I have been called a "cheater" on this toon by Kas for handing her ass to her, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised, sigh.

 

[Acharehnus]

Tell that to Japan, there is a reason the stereotypes exist...whether you like it or not.

I mean, that's exactly the racism I'm talking about.

See, you do understand it. You just agree with it.

 

[Tide Hunter]

Drag Evelyn and Demo Ryn have the same nutsack

No, not really. you can see the less prominent nut's bottom is even with the close testicle in Evelyn's sack, but for Ryn's, the ball behind hangs lower than the forward bollocks.

main problem I had with that quest was mirroring all the powers before they died. Knowing Alissa had nothing I needed to mirror was such fun though, finally I'd be able to actually fight instead of just letting Daliza hack them to shred while I was doing defend and the occasional war cry to keep aggro,

I'm really glad that the obsessive min-max part of my brain that makes me stop having fun with these games hasn't yet attached to the mirror stance.

 

[Melancholy Man]

I mean, that's exactly the racism I'm talking about.

See, you do understand it. You just agree with it.

Well, stereotypes show qualities in the broad strokes sense of ppl or things, so they have a basis of truth to them but they aren't the whole truth.

 

[Melancholy Man]

No, not really. you can see the less prominent nut's bottom is even with the close testicle in Evelyn's sack, but for Ryn's, the ball behind hangs lower than the forward bollocks.

yeah that might just be the artstyle tricking me

 

[Sacremas]

I'm really glad that the obsessive min-max part of my brain that makes me stop having fun with these games hasn't yet attached to the mirror stance.

Problem is they had some seriously good and unique (so far) powers that you can use. Searing Arc is like a fireball at the end of your sword, a [weapon] tagged black mage spell that does large fire damage to primary target, then half that to everyone around, Reaping Blade is Blight damage [weapon] Black spell that staggers the enemy and then heals you for half the damage you do with the attack, and Shielding Smite is a white mage [weapon] power that adds large fire damage, then puts a 3 round buff of +50 to Armor, Ward and Focus for the entire party, those are all really freaking good spells, especially for Spellblades, of which I have three characters that are some variation of. Currently to my knowledge these spells are only available by being mirrored off the Dragon Knight and the Forge Golem, they don't exist otherwise in the game, and they can be used just fine on level 7, unlike Dragon Breath or Double Attack which is going to be useless for likely years still.

 

[Acharehnus]

Well, stereotypes show qualities in the broad strokes sense of ppl or things, so they have a basis of truth to them but they aren't the whole truth.

It's just racism my dude.

 

[Melancholy Man]

It's just racism my dude.

childish asf

 

[Acharehnus]

Tell that to Japan, there is a reason the stereotypes exist...whether you like it or not.

Not sure what you expected this to be called mate. I dunno what you and the writers issue with Japanese people is but this is always the defense I hear...just more blatant then usual.