Your gripes with CoC II

[War Demon]

This should be fun list in order of who you think. Need's a slice of humble pie, the first 3 being the one people, who doesn't just need a slice but the whole damn pie.

1. Garth
2. All of the Kitsune as a whole excluding Miko and Mai
3. Rune
4. Evelyn
5. Mallach
6. Sanders
7. Lyla

 

[Melancholy Man]

This should be fun list in order of who you think. Need's a slice of humble pie, the first 3 being the one people, who doesn't just need a slice but the whole damn pie.

1. Garth
2. All of the Kitsune as a whole excluding Miko and Mai
3. Rune
4. Evelyn
5. Mallach
6. Sanders
7. Lyla

1. Why Garth? I'm pretty sure we've humbled the man to the point that it's downright cruel. We can turn his daughter into a broodmare, we not only put that child support Orcpup on him but also bang her (if you like), we chu him out on him handling the cult indecent, we carry his wife back to him, and to paraphrase the words of Chris Rock "We can facilitate a dream" for his kids better than he ever could.
2. Understandable
3. Definitely
4. Why is she so low? Have you seen the complaints for her? She needs the whole bakery
5. Yeh
6. Why? He's a retired shonen protag, let him cook in peace.
7. She's Evelyn-lite and the fact that you skip all that mischievous stuff is nice. But I do want some fair play with her tho, especially with that Baslik venom; to tease her with Wyvern Venom would be the best schadenfreude/just deserts, nothing in bad faith because I do like her. I've been wanting to write it for her too.

 

[SmithEK]

This should be fun list in order of who you think. Need's a slice of humble pie, the first 3 being the one people, who doesn't just need a slice but the whole damn pie.

1. Garth
2. All of the Kitsune as a whole excluding Miko and Mai
3. Rune
4. Evelyn
5. Mallach
6. Sanders
7. Lyla

Kitsune definitely.
Sanders definitely.
Mallach - who?

I don't see why Evelyn or Garth need to be humbled though.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Something I've felt for a while but I still have is with the Kitsune's in general
They at least in the first game were presented as tricksy and mischievous but in COCII they are largely rigid and soulless
They also just don't feel connected to their world and instead feel like the author just took a bunch of stereotypes about the rigidness of JP society combined with a bunch of weeb references and just slammed it into the game.

Don't even get me started on the Kitsune, I feel like maybe the only two. Out of all of the others I find Miko and Mai to be the most. Open, and genuine with their opinions of the champ. Everyone else Komari, Keros, Nakano, and Even Kiyoko, and Kinu all just treat the champ like crap.

Oh that is what the Author did he even admitted it in another post. If I find it I'll post it here. But back to what I was saying I find Miko and Mai the most enjoyable, but that's just me.

Honestly, as much as I wish Kiyoko had more content and interactions with non-kitsune characters, and despise the walls of text some Kinu stories force us to read, I don't see the othering by the Kitsune in half as bad a light. I mean, culture clash is a thing. It'd be boring boring as sin if none of these in-game races and cultures had values that were out of step with the modern day, especially given the circa-medieval technology level of the setting.

Here's another gripe If people needing a reality check. Garth for fuck sakes you get Gwyn Pregnant. He goes into this big threatening manner of be responsible and don't go making Gwyn cry. Then you save Garret Garth gives him a lecture about responsibility.

But when comes to bringing Gweyr home, being responsible for lying to kids, the Champ, Cait and everything. Boy does Garth flip fucking switch there. I just kinda wish I could just take everything Garth told me, and throw it back in it back in his face, ya know?

The wolf family certainly hit my hard limit on drama levels in the game, but they did a good job (at least IMO) contriving a scenario where nobody was really in the right. My big complaint was always "'Why go there in this porn game?" But if you think the devs are gonna let you try and rip him a new belly button, I wouldn't get your hopes up.

 

[War Demon]

1. Why Garth?

Garth need to be humbled though.

Garth for when you bring Gweyr home after telling us. Not to go breaking Gwyn's heart and telling us all about be responsible. All that shit the champ tells Garth the champ's going with Garret to bring Gweyr home.

It's the responsible thing to do Garth doesn't want to hear it. In fact when The Champ, Garret, and Garth have that little talk Garth almost came close to throwing fist at us. If it weren't for Gwyn stepping in, that's why I think Garth need's to be humbled a bit.

Maybe not the number one spot I'll admit that, I'll switch Evelyn with Garth.

I don't see why Evelyn

Evelyn treats The Champ like a cumdump always has to be on top. Then when the Champ make's her a dragon, Evelyn Tells Ashe is going to do once she become's a dragon.

Evelyn says go back down to belhar and bring everyone under one banner. Set all the lower class free. Yet she uses the Champ as if he is a slave. I need to re-read the part where Evelyn gives Ashe the full rundown of what Evelyn will do when she becomes a dragon.

Anyway that was my list what's everyone else's list.

 

[War Demon]

The wolf family certainly hit my hard limit on drama levels in the game, but they did a good job (at least IMO) contriving a scenario where nobody was really in the right. My big complaint was always "'Why go there in this porn game?" But if you think the devs are gonna let you try and rip him a new belly button, I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I'm not looking for another reason to try and rip Garth a new one. I'm just saying it would've been nice. If I got to say to Garth, "It seems someone doesn't like being told his not being Responsible. When it comes to his own wife, and kids huh Garth? You can dish it out, but can't take it huh?"

That's all when we where already ripping Garth about Gweyr. But what's done is done.

 

[Melancholy Man]

Garth for when you bring Gweyr home after telling us. Not to go breaking Gwyn's heart and telling us all about be responsible. All that shit the champ tells Garth the champ's going with Garret to bring Gweyr home.

It's the responsible thing to do Garth doesn't want to hear it. In fact when The Champ, Garret, and Garth have that little talk Garth almost came close to throwing fist at us. If it weren't for Gwyn stepping in, that's why I think Garth need's to be humbled a bit.

Funny you say that because its the same exact thing the kitsune do to us in our own home, and that pissed everyone off. You don't come into a man's home then comment and demand he changes how he runs things. Of course, he's going to swing at you even if you are right, emotions run high when the nature of the argument is deeply personal. I think they handled well, did want the champ to throw his responsibility speech back at him, which then would allow him some growth as a character if he accepted it. But it is what it is.

 

[Sacremas]

I just don't see the dislike for Evelyn... I mean she kinda lets you know right from the start what she's all about, and your first interaction if you don't just leave her (which you have two prompts for if it's not for you) is to either sit on her dick, or kneel before her dick... that should kinda let you know what her content is going to be about. And you do actually get to fuck her, and more to it, if you have a virgin dick when you get to that point, you take her anal virginity in the process as thanks for all the rest of it (which I on one character I did with a 30 inch horse cock I had been careful not to use while rushing through her stuff, and yes she reacts nicely to that lol). I also feel that compared Arona (and even Arille, partially) she has fairly loving/gentle dom content, she just happens to be on top most of the time.

 

[Gabranth]

I just don't see the dislike for Evelyn... I mean she kinda lets you know right from the start what she's all about, and your first interaction if you don't just leave her (which you have two prompts for if it's not for you) is to either sit on her dick, or kneel before her dick... that should kinda let you know what her content is going to be about.

I'll make a dangerous guess and say that most of the playerbase just aren't into it.

To that, add that you can't interact with her unless you submit, which sucks.

And you feel like a cumrag most of the time. Ultimately, Evelyn suffers the same fate DomArona does.

Just my opinion, as someone who did her route.

 

[War Demon]

did want the champ to throw his responsibility speech back at him

That's all I'm saying too, really. Other than that Garth's good that's why I said. I shouldn't have put him in the top 3 in my list.

I'll make a dangerous guess and say that most of the playerbase just aren't into it.

To that, add that you can't interact with her unless you submit, which sucks.

And you feel like a cumrag most of the time. Ultimately, Evelyn suffers the same fate DomArona does.

Just my opinion, as someone who did her route.

When it comes to the Dom/Sub stuff with everyone everyone else. They are least give the option if you want to sub or not. Even Kas let's you choose, Evelyn nope.

When you do get to fuck Evelyn in the ass. She's doing it while reading a book, because she thinks your a one pump chump. That the champ's so terrible at actually fucking, that's she won't feel anything.

So yeah you get to fuck Evelyn but, it's not like she stopped humiliating you. And when you make her a Dragon she get's even worse. Whenever Evelyn says anything nice it feel's patronizing to me.

 

[Gabranth]

When you do get to fuck Evelyn in the ass. She's doing it while reading a book, because she thinks your a one pump chump. That the champ's so terrible at actually fucking, that's she won't feel anything.

So yeah you get to fuck Evelyn but, it's not like she stopped humiliating you. And when you make her a Dragon she get's even worse. Whenever Evelyn says anything nice it feel's patronizing to me.

Ah, I totally forgot about the humiliation part.

Who thought this combination was a good idea, anyways?

Kinda wish every "dom content" scene in the game was written by Alypia.

 

[Sacremas]

When you do get to fuck Evelyn in the ass. She's doing it while reading a book, because she thinks your a one pump chump. That the champ's so terrible at actually fucking, that's she won't feel anything.

Again, she gives you her buttginity, she's playing up the part but she's actually never had anything or anyone up there until that scene, made clear if you are a penile virgin as well when you get to that point, at which point her reaction is a lot more genuine. And even in that reading scene, if you haven't made her give up that reading like a third into the scene and end up a blubbering mess barely able to stay coherent... then I think I'm playing very different characters than the rest of you, lol.

Also, DomArona and Arille; exists. Arille is pretty much the same thing as Evelyn, except way more "abusive" and you usually get to use your dick, and at the fifth scene you do get to turn the tables (generally same ratio as with Evelyn). And DomArona is like on another level.

And again, you get warned about what Evelyn is going to be about pretty explicitly , and then you have to purposefully go back to her over and over. I feel like half the butthurt on display here (mentally and literally I guess, heh), is because the new dragon spear stuff "forced" people to do her stuff just to see DragonLyn content, as opposed to that being an expansion for people that was already doing her content. Most of my characters I apologize and close the door to her, because they aren't into that, but I appreciate the content for what it is on characters who are into it.

 

[War Demon]

Again, she gives you her buttginity, she's playing up the part but she's actually never had anything or anyone up there until that scene, made clear if you are a penile virgin as well when you get to that point, at which point her reaction is a lot more genuine. And even in that reading scene, if you haven't made her give up that reading like a third into the scene and end up a blubbering mess barely able to stay coherent... then I think I'm playing very different characters than the rest of you, lol.

Also, DomArona and Arille; exists. Arille is pretty much the same thing as Evelyn, except way more "abusive" and you usually get to use your dick, and at the fifth scene you do get to turn the tables (generally same ratio as with Evelyn). And DomArona is like on another level.

And again, you get warned about what Evelyn is going to be about pretty explicitly , and then you have to purposefully go back to her over and over. I feel like half the butthurt on display here (mentally and literally I guess, heh), is because the new dragon spear stuff "forced" people to do her stuff just to see DragonLyn content, as opposed to that being an expansion for people that was already doing her content. Most of my characters I apologize and close the door to her, because they aren't into that, but I appreciate the content for what it is on characters who are into it.

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Yeah It's more of the DragonLyn now if I want to breath fire when level 10. Finally arrives the best chance I got at getting the Dragon Breath is stealing it from her. Plus it's just one of those things that you gotta be into.

I mean the first time I did it I thought it be just like every other dom/sub situation. Where eventually you get the option if you want to be on top of bottom. But no not only does that not happen, but the champ literally goes out and buys a maid outfit, Evelyn.

Like I said in one of my previous posts after I get the dragon breath power. It's like "Evelyn who?"

 

[Sacremas]

I mirrored Fire Breath and one other power from Kas, and I'm pretty sure there's going to be more characters with that power before level 10, especially considering the fucking years it took to get this far. So I'm sorry dude, that's a weak-as-absolute-fuck excuse, lmao.

 

[Melancholy Man]

(and even Arille, partially)

Are you sure about that? She seems pretty chill about things, and the difference I've noticed between her, Evelyn, and Domrona is PC agency. Now we the player may not have a direct choice but if the character we play is proactive in the scene then we feel like at least we have a little agency. With Arilla there is a back and forth, progress the relationship and she'll end up doing subby stuff for you - even handing you control. Can't get that stuff with Evelyn or Domrona, your character gets their personality hard cut into being the subbiest mofo around with no agency in the scene or proactive, not even as a powerbottom.

 

[Melancholy Man]

Again, she gives you her buttginity, she's playing up the part but she's actually never had anything or anyone up there until that scene, made clear if you are a penile virgin as well when you get to that point, at which point her reaction is a lot more genuine. And even in that reading scene, if you haven't made her give up that reading like a third into the scene and end up a blubbering mess barely able to stay coherent... then I think I'm playing very different characters than the rest of you, lol.

Also, DomArona and Arille; exists. Arille is pretty much the same thing as Evelyn, except way more "abusive" and you usually get to use your dick, and at the fifth scene you do get to turn the tables (generally same ratio as with Evelyn). And DomArona is like on another level.

And again, you get warned about what Evelyn is going to be about pretty explicitly , and then you have to purposefully go back to her over and over. I feel like half the butthurt on display here (mentally and literally I guess, heh), is because the new dragon spear stuff "forced" people to do her stuff just to see DragonLyn content, as opposed to that being an expansion for people that was already doing her content. Most of my characters I apologize and close the door to her, because they aren't into that, but I appreciate the content for what it is on characters who are into it.

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that buttginity joke got me.
Not sure about Arilla being abusive, did I miss a page?
You got to like the idea of being totally dommed by a dickgirl to really be into Evelyn, it just ain't it for some ppl

Kinda wish every "dom content" scene in the game was written by Alypia.

nah everything would be too romantic, variety n spice brov.

 

[A1teros]

Are you sure about that? She seems pretty chill about things, and the difference I've noticed between her, Evelyn, and Domrona is PC agency. Now we the player may not have a direct choice but if the character we play is proactive in the scene then we feel like at least we have a little agency. With Arilla there is a back and forth, progress the relationship and she'll end up doing subby stuff for you - even handing you control. Can't get that stuff with Evelyn or Domrona, your character gets their personality hard cut into being the subbiest mofo around with no agency in the scene or proactive, not even as a powerbottom.

Yeah this, with Arille you're approaching her in a context where you both know you want to fuck and she lets you know she's into domming. It's basically a fuckbuddies relationship that can become a little more serious as she maybe catches feelings. There's both more agency and more intimacy.

 

[Sacremas]

Are you sure about that? She seems pretty chill about things, and the difference I've noticed between her, Evelyn, and Domrona is PC agency. Now we the player may not have a direct choice but if the character we play is proactive in the scene then we feel like at least we have a little agency. With Arilla there is a back and forth, progress the relationship and she'll end up doing subby stuff for you - even handing you control. Can't get that stuff with Evelyn or Domrona, your character gets their personality hard cut into being the subbiest mofo around with no agency in the scene or proactive, not even as a powerbottom.

Yeah, okay, I agree, hence why I put the "kinda" part on it, I wasn't really decided on it. So let's leave it at DomRona then lol.

 

[Melancholy Man]

I will never understand Domrona enjoyers tho, like its fiction but do you really want Arona to dictate your sex life?!

 

[Melancholy Man]

Yeah this, with Arille you're approaching her in a context where you both know you want to fuck and she lets you know she's into domming. It's basically a fuckbuddies relationship that can become a little more serious as she maybe catches feelings. There's both more agency and more intimacy.

Something I've also come to appreciate when I see it is the PC and Arille having dialogue, not a summary of what the PC says but the character talking to the other. Shoutout to Wsan, Fleep, SKoW, n Alpyia for writing dialogue that flows.

 

[A1teros]

In regards to the list and where the kitsune place on it, I feel like you can split them into two groups. You are an outsider, the difference is whether or not they look down on you for that. That being said, just because they don't look down on you for it doesn't mean they can't do you disservices as a result of seeing you as an outsider.

Kiyoko and Kinu probably thought they were doing you a favor by handling all the kitsune society side stuff, including Kinu's marriage, on their own. But that's a form of arrogance too, it's more obvious in the case of Garth deciding he knows best in regards to the Gweyr situation but that was a more serious situation with more serious and obvious consequences.

In the case of floof house though, you are the spouse and not the child yes but also the scenario isn't that serious, the only problem is an emotional one that you can talk through. It smarts more though, because it's your family. That's probably the most important thing to consider in that ranking, it's heavily dependent on their relation to the Champ. Kasyrra would deserve top spot in terms of pure displayed arrogance but she's more powerful than you and she's a demon so she gets more leeway, in the same way the Seven get more leeway because they're gods, arrogance is unfounded pride and scorn. If anything, the very tippity top of the "needs humbling" list is Tollus, in both impersonal and personal contexts. Then again this seems to be for interactable NPC's so in that case I'd give it to Nakano in particular out of all the kitsune or maybe still Kasyrra, since there's only so much leeway you get for being a demon.

 

[SomeNobody]

In regards to the list and where the kitsune place on it, I feel like you can split them into two groups

*Kitsune written by Tobs
*Kitsune not written by Tobs

 

[Ria Brew]

I will never understand Domrona enjoyers tho, like its fiction but do you really want Arona to dictate your sex life?!

Yes

 

[Sacremas]

*Kitsune written by Tobs
*Kitsune not written by Tobs

I'd agree to that, but for the existence of Rindo and Kohaku, who I genuinely like.

I would probably like the Kitsune sisters, but for whatever reason their "accent" makes their dialogue unreadable to me. Liaden's accent is about as far as I can get, otherwise it just feels sloppy and makes this autist disgusted about their existence and just skip the lot of it.

 

[Melancholy Man]

Really?! That's actually part of why I like them. The accent gives that exotic feel.

 

[A1teros]

Really?! That's actually part of why I like them. The accent gives that exotic feel.

Yeah, it's also a nice contrast from the polite speak from half of the other kitsune. This is a different kind of split though, because not everyone who speaks formally looks down on you and not everyone who speaks casually is nice. Admittedly though, the only person who doesn't speak formally but is rude to you is Takahiro I think.

 

[Melancholy Man]

You know I never thought of it like that. But that does make sense in hindsight.

 

[War Demon]

I love the accent of the Sisters it's like talking to 2 Rogues from X-Men. I'm just waiting for Miko to call the Champ "Sugar" that's how I read their texts.

 

[Melancholy Man]

"Sugar"

YES YES YES

 

[Sacremas]

I just hate all accents in general, especially when it feels forced. And they didn't exactly start off on the right foot with me to begin with, unlike Liaden, who I make more an effort with, but I just can't be arsed for some floofy cunts I'd rather turn into a pretty coat from their tails.

I mean, I did note it as "to this Autist" after all...