Your gripes with CoC II
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Damage based black mages feel a bit clunky, there are large chunks of time where I can't really do anything, or my effectiveness is severely reduced, either a buff to at-will spells, or an additional recharge power slot would be nice.
If you're having trouble with damage output, it's most likely because you're trying to hit enemies with a damage type that they're resistant to and you should consider swapping Powers out for a different damage type. Withering Bolt is great on anything with the Beast taxonomy for example but it's almost worthless against demonic enemies. Psychic Blast can replace it straight from the Black Mage's own skill tree, or you can use Magic Missile as another At-Will if you've learned it via Mirror Stance.
There is a big combat rebalance going on so we'll have to wait and see how it affects... everything.
There is a big combat rebalance going on so we'll have to wait and see how it affects... everything.
From a very talented Alypia:
CoC2 gendery/parts count as of 2 June 2022 (public patch 0.4.47)
NPCs:
Male (penis or no penis): 97
Female (no penis): 167
Female (penis): 45
Sexable NPCs:
Male (penis or no penis): 65
Female (no penis): 128
Female (penis, no vag): 14
Female (penis and vag): 24
Other: 4
Eh, maybe it is just me, but like, besides Vahn (who I do think would look good in a skirt), I do not think the rest are far off to what most people would consider femboys. Liamme, Del (who game specifically calls that), Yoma (his unused bust makes it more apperent)...
But lets move from TiTS and stick to the realms of CoC2.
The ones that people consider femboys are: June, Jin-Jin (I think?), prince Nyze, Nikol, Elf Boy, Boomer, Mallach, Vicky, Sugo and, of course, Berwyn (who Wiki does not even put under masculine category).
And, generally, I can see where people are coming from when talking about these guys. But under my umbrella, some other guys could also fall under that category.
Quinn, Elyon, Darius, Taka, Whisper and Nakano. Like, what is the upper limit where we go from femboy to pretty boy/twink? I think this basically a me problem but I do get bothered somewhat by it, especially when it comes communicating with people. When someone tells me that they want more musceline and/or feminine guys I struggle to understand what they want exactly. Since, to me, basically anything under Brint/Younzan (hunks) is someone I consider on more on feminine side of things. How much or less is one feminine than other? Not really something I bother to put a scale on.
Edit: For example, what do you consider femboys and what do you not? In that thread, you argued that both Dell and Kase are not ones. Why? Especially Kase since the game seems think otherwise. I am not saying that that makes your opinion wrong. It is just me showcasing that you and I (and basically every being on this god forsaken/devil blessed) earth seem to have different connotation for what constitutes as a femboy.
But lets move from TiTS and stick to the realms of CoC2.
The ones that people consider femboys are: June, Jin-Jin (I think?), prince Nyze, Nikol, Elf Boy, Boomer, Mallach, Vicky, Sugo and, of course, Berwyn (who Wiki does not even put under masculine category).
And, generally, I can see where people are coming from when talking about these guys. But under my umbrella, some other guys could also fall under that category.
Quinn, Elyon, Darius, Taka, Whisper and Nakano. Like, what is the upper limit where we go from femboy to pretty boy/twink? I think this basically a me problem but I do get bothered somewhat by it, especially when it comes communicating with people. When someone tells me that they want more musceline and/or feminine guys I struggle to understand what they want exactly. Since, to me, basically anything under Brint/Younzan (hunks) is someone I consider on more on feminine side of things. How much or less is one feminine than other? Not really something I bother to put a scale on.
Edit: For example, what do you consider femboys and what do you not? In that thread, you argued that both Dell and Kase are not ones. Why? Especially Kase since the game seems think otherwise. I am not saying that that makes your opinion wrong. It is just me showcasing that you and I (and basically every being on this god forsaken/devil blessed) earth seem to have different connotation for what constitutes as a femboy.
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TheShepard256
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My opinion is:
Femboys: Sugo, Liamme, Del, Nyze, Berwyn, Nikol, Able
Pretty boy: Kase, Mallach, all the kitsune males, Quin, Yoma
I also think attitude can influence whether someone's a femboy or pretty boy. For instance, Kase could go either way (he's got the hips & ass to be a femboy, but not the facial femininity), but since he doesn't act feminine at all, I don't consider him to be a true femboy.
Femboys: Sugo, Liamme, Del, Nyze, Berwyn, Nikol, Able
Pretty boy: Kase, Mallach, all the kitsune males, Quin, Yoma
I also think attitude can influence whether someone's a femboy or pretty boy. For instance, Kase could go either way (he's got the hips & ass to be a femboy, but not the facial femininity), but since he doesn't act feminine at all, I don't consider him to be a true femboy.
To me, there's a line between twinks and femboys. One of them is "handsome lad" and the other one is "dude looks like a lady". I don't know if you know/are a fan of Berserk, but, if you do/are, think of Serpico as oppsed to Griffith.
In my case, I could go with "soft features". I mean, there could be a chubster NPC who happened to be a pretty boy.
An edit for the edit: here's my list. It's by no means a strict one, and I know there are missing characters, but it'll give you an idea.
Manly Men of Manliness
Bruno
Rroljar
Argoth
Orc warrior
Centaur packleader
Taldahs
Fenraus
Orc thane
Brint
Behemoth
Vitruvius
Gunvaldsen
Minotaur miners
Minotaur ghosts
Livernus
Hirrud
Leothran village males (I think)
Garth
Pavo
Male jotun (bust makes him look "less" masculine)
Garret
Cultist Reaver (I think)
Masculine:
Vaush
Orc apprentice
Ogrish
Centaur marauder
Crazy Horse
Siorcanna hunter (I think)
Male/Maleherm Liulfr
Barney
Rooh
Imad
Sanders
Sexy male statue
Hobgoblin thug
Tollus
Kitsune protector (I think)
Elaril
Imps
Lupine archer
Nash
Handsome lads-twinks:
Darius
Incubus blackguard
Raphael
Hinata
Nakano
Hitoshi
Quintillus
Svern
Kazuo
Takahiro
Keros
Psion
Elyon
Leold
Philander
Whisper
Feminine twinks & androgynous-looking males
Kitsune spellblade
Boomer
Male batfolk mugger
Jin-Jin
Undermountain kobolds
Male Lyric
River
Ninian
Nikol (bust makes him look more feminine)
Rather feminine/femlads
Berwyn (as of this time of typing)
Hornet drone
Mallach
Nyze
June
Elf Boy
Sugo
Haven't interacted with him/are vaguely described/I don't know if they're males to begin with
Dale
Avanai rider
Benny
Mino guards
Mino soldiers
Male harem spirit (bust looks masculine)
"MaleRide" slime
"MaleFuck" slime
Spectral barbarian
Spectral ghost
Taothian
Gnoll raiders
Grey-furred slaver
Male elf guards
Barghest
Demontaur
Telfir
Yonzan
Cultists (Mage, Archer, Bloodletter)
Leofric
Kelsaz
Hive knights
Flaming bull
Cultist Magos
Cultist bodyguards
Corrupted lupines
Bruno
Rroljar
Argoth
Orc warrior
Centaur packleader
Taldahs
Fenraus
Orc thane
Brint
Behemoth
Vitruvius
Gunvaldsen
Minotaur miners
Minotaur ghosts
Livernus
Hirrud
Leothran village males (I think)
Garth
Pavo
Male jotun (bust makes him look "less" masculine)
Garret
Cultist Reaver (I think)
Masculine:
Vaush
Orc apprentice
Ogrish
Centaur marauder
Crazy Horse
Siorcanna hunter (I think)
Male/Maleherm Liulfr
Barney
Rooh
Imad
Sanders
Sexy male statue
Hobgoblin thug
Tollus
Kitsune protector (I think)
Elaril
Imps
Lupine archer
Nash
Handsome lads-twinks:
Darius
Incubus blackguard
Raphael
Hinata
Nakano
Hitoshi
Quintillus
Svern
Kazuo
Takahiro
Keros
Psion
Elyon
Leold
Philander
Whisper
Feminine twinks & androgynous-looking males
Kitsune spellblade
Boomer
Male batfolk mugger
Jin-Jin
Undermountain kobolds
Male Lyric
River
Ninian
Nikol (bust makes him look more feminine)
Rather feminine/femlads
Berwyn (as of this time of typing)
Hornet drone
Mallach
Nyze
June
Elf Boy
Sugo
Haven't interacted with him/are vaguely described/I don't know if they're males to begin with
Dale
Avanai rider
Benny
Mino guards
Mino soldiers
Male harem spirit (bust looks masculine)
"MaleRide" slime
"MaleFuck" slime
Spectral barbarian
Spectral ghost
Taothian
Gnoll raiders
Grey-furred slaver
Male elf guards
Barghest
Demontaur
Telfir
Yonzan
Cultists (Mage, Archer, Bloodletter)
Leofric
Kelsaz
Hive knights
Flaming bull
Cultist Magos
Cultist bodyguards
Corrupted lupines
Because one's a feminised man (he says so himself) and the other one is just a regular male kaitrit.
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Yeah aren't male kaithrit very effeminate to the point they grow milky boobs once their partner is pregnant to help with/take over feeding? And there's a kind of reverse-misogyny where the kaithrit homeworld is very "Men should know their place and stay in the kitchen" which they're now pushing back against?
the way I see see it their entire species is made up of cat girls, cat femboys, and cat dickgirls, and their simply are no naturally occurring masculine males. I like to keep it simple and say any male that is sufficiently feminine is a femboy, regardless of extenuating circumstances.
Also I don't really see the line between femboy and twink, whenever I see someone try to explain it always looks to me like a range of average to cute males or androgynous to feminine femboys. from what I can tell the "line" looks more like a blurred gradient from the range of twink definitions I've seen.
Also I don't really see the line between femboy and twink, whenever I see someone try to explain it always looks to me like a range of average to cute males or androgynous to feminine femboys. from what I can tell the "line" looks more like a blurred gradient from the range of twink definitions I've seen.
TheShepard256
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Sure! Basically same thing to me the longer I think off it. So what do you mean when you say you want more femboys/twinks? Do you want more Subs, doms, top, bottoms? Or someone that is a switch.
What kind of relationship with the champ? Lovers, friends, fuckbuddies, that between master and a slave?
Sexual relationship? Exclusive, open, mixed (has sex with others with you around?). Or is anything fine with you?
What I mean is there are quite a few femboys, twinks, or pretty boys, whatever you want to call them, like I could probably count the overall number I've encountered with both hands. And to answer your question, I'd personally rather have scenes where characters switch, their relations would be between lovers, friends, and fuckbuddies, and their relationship would be open and mixed.
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I am confused, do you mean to say that we have enough femboys as it is or not?
And when you say
And an open one... I feel like we have to many of those with guys in CoC2 but mixed sounds fine tho.
And when you say
Do you mean you want a relationship that has a progression from friends to fuckbuddies to lovers?
And an open one... I feel like we have to many of those with guys in CoC2 but mixed sounds fine tho.
A gripe I have is that Etheryn cannot be ass-fucked by a pc if their cock is longer than 12 inches (without the champion becoming an evil bastard). Despite this she can take Hashat's 14 incher and the minotaurs in Khorminos' Party Service scene.
Yeah, that's an artifact of an early plan for the Champ to be able to train her ass to take larger insertions, but it quietly died when nobody really felt like supporting it and all her new content past that point ignores it. Changing that would probably mean poking at spaghetti code and possibly causing hilarious fuckery when something unexpected breaks as a result.
One thing that's not immediately obvious (hat-tip to Aly) is that all of her new content that doesn't care about penis size still counts towards her capacity for those early sex options, so it's possible to train her to take a larger penis without having to be an asshole. Due to the way it's coded you need to be one size larger than you want to ultimately use with her non-Monstrous Anal options, so if you want to do tender anal with 14 inches, do stuff like her her sleep scenes with 15 and then lose an inch.
One thing that's not immediately obvious (hat-tip to Aly) is that all of her new content that doesn't care about penis size still counts towards her capacity for those early sex options, so it's possible to train her to take a larger penis without having to be an asshole. Due to the way it's coded you need to be one size larger than you want to ultimately use with her non-Monstrous Anal options, so if you want to do tender anal with 14 inches, do stuff like her her sleep scenes with 15 and then lose an inch.
While a lot of the newer scenes with her ignore size, I've still always been irritated by this. You can technically get her to be able to take cocks bigger than 12 inches, but that's only possible by repeatedly fucking her with cocks larger than 12 inches, It kinda defeats the purpose, and leads to me exclusively using 12 inch cocks outside of corrupt characters. I've just kinda shrugged and moved on, but I would still rather she just get allowed to have bigger cocks in her.
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