Your gripes with CoC II

[Bast]

This seems to be an issue multiple people are having so I wonder if the best solution would be a toggle in the options menu

Kinda. But then after that someone else comes around that get's offended over a different word. Wouldn't wanna risk the chance of starting a chain reaction if I were the dev team.

Also how come there's bad words that offend people in this furry smut porn game but no one every takes issue with enemies never asking for consent?

 

[Kesil]

but no one every takes issue with enemies never asking for consent?

That has happened ever since the CoC days, with talks about "soft rape" popping up here and there.

 

[Bast]

"soft rape"

I never heard of that term. So "soft rape" isn't rape? Sounds like a very apologetic way to cope with the act.

 

[Kesil]

You tell me. Their words, not mine.

 

[Raginmund]

See Savin's comments here and here (for TiTS, but the same thinking applies) for why the terms are used and why they aren't changing.

You don't. It's completely unrelated to your discomfort with the language but the devs absolutely loathe mods due to the shitstorm that the CoC1 modding scene represents, so you're never going to see them open up CoC2's code to tinkering.

As TheShepard256 already mentioned, there is a system in place in TiTS that already accounts for terminology preferences, so I find it kind of ironic that you're referencing out of date information (at least for TiTS specifically), that by extent now makes CoC2 look worse by comparison.

Spoiler: Language Filters in TiTS

Not saying that what is seen in TiTS has to definitively be implemented in CoC2, but I find it kind of weird that you're dismissing somone's gripes about something on the basis of out of date information from Savin's posting (in relation to TiTS specifically).
Obviously the stance in relation to CoC2 is most likely still the same, but now being contrasted with the changes in TiTS does leave the options with regards to CoC2 rather lacking -- definitely something I'd say one can mention in the gripes thread, ya'know due to it being a personal opinion and fitting the theme of the thread...

Honestly seems like this thread and the "What content would you like added?" thread are often subjected to Well-Known Members / Developers / Moderators talking down to people that have gripes / suggestions (at least the ones that are seemingly deemed "controversial" by this forums "standards") -- which is quite sad to see.

 

[WolframL]

Yes, that's what the topic is for. It doesn't mean other people can't point out that this topic has come up before and the devs have made their opinion pretty clear.

As far as that TiTS filter goes, bear in mind that (again) these are games being developed by different teams, including different leads and programmers. Tobs has even specifically commented on CoC2 not having things that TiTS has specifically because the teams are different. This was after the language filter got added to TiTS, so you can assume the same thinking applies.

 

[wery12345]

YEah when it comes to CoC2, the best way to aim our gripes is ignoring the exxistance of both TiTs and CoC1, because they have absolutely nothing to do with this(minus CoC1 with the world stuff).

 

[pinkcaitgang]

Honestly seems like this thread and the "What content would you like added?" thread are often subjected to Well-Known Members / Developers / Moderators talking down to people that have gripes / suggestions (at least the ones that are seemingly deemed "controversial" by this forums "standards") -- which is quite sad to see.

Seriously, that's half of the comments on both of these. If you aren't working on the game directly can you not tell others what is and isnt possible, or assert your opinions that "oh this shouldnt be a gripe"? Like, please find something else to do. It's really irritating to see, and discourages people from posting, for fear that they might be stricken with the "im not working on the game but in my expert opinion this could just never happen". Don't care. Didn't ask.

To be clear, some of you seem like fine enough people. But perhaps you've been around so long that shooting others down has become a habit created by boredom. I'd like to request that you ease off.

 

[Raginmund]

Yes, that's what the topic is for. It doesn't mean other people can't point out that this topic has come up before and the devs have made their opinion pretty clear.

As far as that TiTS filter goes, bear in mind that (again) these are games being developed by different teams, including different leads and programmers. Tobs has even specifically commented on CoC2 not having things that TiTS has specifically because the teams are different. This was after the language filter got added to TiTS, so you can assume the same thinking applies.

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I don't see how "different people coding" = "can't implement a similar system". I'm sure the TiTS team would be willing to provide a copy of the relevant code if the CoC2 team asks, and from there it'd be even easier to implement for CoC2 than it was for TiTS because a) the groundwork has already been established and b) CoC2 has a smaller word count than TiTS, so any search-and-replace that would need to occur won't take as much time.

Sorry for pinging you Shepard.

But yeah, I understand the reasoning, I just personally disagree with it. Much the same with the seemingly implied nature in which people are shut down, or talked down to in this thread and the "What content would you like added?" thread.

Again, not advocating for any changes, just find that it's possible to point out things without it being necessary to have everyone say "wElL tHE deVEloPErS sAId THiS, sO NO yOU'rE wROng".
People can have different opinions -- even differing opinions than that of the Developers / Moderators -- without it being necessary for conflict or some level of condescending tone / mockery. I know it's not applicable in all situations, and might not necessarily be intended within this specific context, but I think when it comes to things that are opinion based it tends to be unnecessary to seemingly talk down to others, at least in my opinion.

 

[wery12345]

I mean they can, its just when similar stuff shows up its best to just remind them of the reason why it was ignored before.

 

[Raginmund]

I mean they can, its just when similar stuff shows up its best to just remind them of the reason why it was ignored before.

I get that, but that assumes that everyone who posts in these two threads (this and the likes one) does so with the goal of having their likes / dislikes added / addressed in the game.

I'd argue that that's not always the case, and when one is met with "No, this is not going happen for this reason, and that reason" it almost seems as though it's like "Why did you bother posting this in the first place? This is an obvious no, because of this and this, from x and y developer" -- and one is possibly given the impression of needing to search the forums / read the threads before posting again.

Maybe some people (especially new members) just want to say what they'd like to see in the likes thread, and what they dislike in the dislikes thread, without any expectations (or prior reading about whether their like / dislike was mentioned before). Talking them down from what they like / dislike might not be pleasant when they possibly might just wanted to express what they'd like to see / what they dislike, without any real forethought (or expectations) about it.

For example:
CoC2's "What content would you like added" thread
I'd like to be able to suplex Kasyrra!

CoC2's "Your gripes with CoC II" thread
I dislike that I can't ride Eubicha into battle! (No, not in that other way you might be thinking lol)

Both of these are probably not going to happen, but I can still express a like / dislike based upon them -- even if the developers have said no to them.
But that's not always the impression one gets when you get some people replying to you saying no to your like / dislike based upon what developers have said prior. Sometimes it seems like the original poster is to change their opinion (i.e. go back on what they like / dislike) based upon the response from what developers have supposedly said prior, or even based upon responses from developers themselves.
That's obviously not always the case, but it is an impression that can sometimes be garnered from some conversations in these two threads -- which is what I disagree with, if it is indeed the case in those specific conversations, it comes across as pretty dismissive and rude.

Anyways, sorry, I don't mean to go on about this too much.

 

[Soldier660]

YEah when it comes to CoC2, the best way to aim our gripes is ignoring the exxistance of both TiTs and CoC1, because they have absolutely nothing to do with this(minus CoC1 with the world stuff).

I mean you have to compare things with what came before to progress foward and making things better, there is not a thing where you just ignore what came before, thats just not progress and is nothing making something better or even more fun.

 

[Animalistic]

I have a complaint about Ariel and her grayed out button. So while I know that she is meant for dick only champs, her button still stays there, not clickable, so if you have no dick you can be a little confused as to why you can not seemingly interact with her. Maybe have a short scene where champion speaks to her, offers up sex and she refuses because you lack the necessary part?

I also think that Livreas relationship progression is maybe locked behind having a dick but I will have to double check. I know that she only has one/maybe 2 sex scene compared to dick champs six (so about as much romantic content as Livrea has with Arona), she was presented as someone that anyone can date and get serious with. Not counting her dates with both Arona and Cait, she also seemingly has sex and fuck buddy relationship with rest of her female friends.
I hope that it is a bug.

 

[wery12345]

I have a complaint about Ariel and her grayed out button. So while I know that she is meant for dick only champs, her button still stays there, not clickable, so if you have no dick you can be a little confused as to why you can not seemingly interact with her. Maybe have a short scene where champion speaks to her, offers up sex and she refuses because you lack the necessary part?

Your complaining about the button being there still yet its like that for every single other character in the game like she would be any different?

 

[Savin]

I also think that Livreas relationship progression is maybe locked behind having a dick but I will have to double check.

It is; it should not be and there'll be a hotfix later today to fix that.

 

[Animalistic]

Your complaining about the button being there still yet its like that for every single other character in the game like she would be any different?

Sorry, I was not clear enough.

There's a beautiful caramel cowgirl reclined in the pool. Despite her obvious attractiveness she's not getting any attention – in fact it seems like everyone is actively avoiding her, though you can't narrow down the reason. She looks you over, and you get the distinct feeling you're the first person she's even glanced at in a while.

This is what the description of the pannel Ariel can be found in. Notice how it makes it seem like she has interest for my femPC despite them only having vagina?

Under the description of "Noble Girl?"

There is a stunning cowgirl reclined against the opposite wall of the pool looking right at you.

Notice how game implies that my same femPC can interact with Arille?
Basically, my point is not that the button exist and that it is grayed out. My claim is that the game does not explain why it is the way it is when you play as vagOnly PC. If you do not know from some "outside of the game" source that she is only meant for dick havers, you could spend a good while in trying to prock her with different assumptions. Which is why I am suggesting to basically write a short scene between vagPCs and the players along the lines.

"Oh you are cute. How I wish I could dom you."
"Thanks, and who says you can't?"
"Sorry, no dick, no interest."
"Oh..."

Something like that.

It is; it should not be and there'll be a hotfix later today to fix that.

Oh, good. Hope for more vagina scenes of her down the line

 

[PuppyPrincess]

Your complaining about the button being there still yet its like that for every single other character in the game like she would be any different?

For what it's worth I also thought it was a bug when it came with the backers patch. There's nothing in the in-game main text or the tooltip that indicates that she will only talk to dick wielding PCs and the only reason I found out was by seeing it mentioned on here. I've always thought you could atleast interact with characters even if they don't have sex scenes for your configuration so it does feel like an oversight that she pops up and indicates interest in both the text and tooltip but you can't even talk to her even if its just for her to shoot you down.

Feels like the tooltip for non-dick PCs should be one like where you can't do specific choices in scenes and the tooltip indicates what you need to be able to do it

 

[wery12345]

I assumed they meant for sex, not the outside of. I know that outside of sex buttons work a bit differently.

 

[SmithEK]

Sorry, I was not clear enough.

This is what the description of the pannel Ariel can be found in. Notice how it makes it seem like she has interest for my femPC despite them only having vagina?

Under the description of "Noble Girl?"

Notice how game implies that my same femPC can interact with Arille?
Basically, my point is not that the button exist and that it is grayed out. My claim is that the game does not explain why it is the way it is when you play as vagOnly PC. If you do not know from some "outside of the game" source that she is only meant for dick havers, you could spend a good while in trying to prock her with different assumptions. Which is why I am suggesting to basically write a short scene between vagPCs and the players along the lines.

"Oh you are cute. How I wish I could dom you."
"Thanks, and who says you can't?"
"Sorry, no dick, no interest."
"Oh..."

Something like that.

Oh, good. Hope for more vagina scenes of her down the line

Some people have said to use the hard light cock when meeting her with pure female champs..

 

[Kingu2]

Arille doesn't seem to have any interactions besides sex. The only exception is to ask her to have sex with Noire. I guess if you don't have a dick or you refuse to wear a leash then there's no reason to ever interact with this character because there's no non-sex content to be had.

 

[wery12345]

Yeah right now shes just be leashed and ask to have sex with the Big Fluffy sheep, feels like theres something missing from her.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Okay for a hot minute there the "Ariel" confused me. Thought it was a whole different character. Knowing it's Arille makes much more sense.

Also if she's light on content I guess they wanted to focus on Noire and pregnancy content for Mayternity, which I definitely appreciate so far. Preg-Orc 5some is beautiful addition. Breeding a new generation of Kervus is delightful.

 

[WolframL]

feels like theres something missing from her.

Nothing's been said that I can find but given that Arille's father is apparently Quite Important (and if you pay attention to some of the dialogue, it seems like there might be Something Funny going on in the baths and I'm not talking about the Champ's sexual escapades) I wouldn't be surprised if she gets more to do in the future.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

When you say "Something Funny" do you mean we're being watched or drained of life force? I don't get it.

 

[WolframL]

When you say "Something Funny" do you mean we're being watched or drained of life force? I don't get it.

It's a couple things added together:

Spoiler

The biggest thing is what happens when you get a massage. The Champ will suddenly find themselves aroused even though they weren't thinking a single lewd thought, and I mean really aroused. The attendant will even say afterwards (if you accept her offer to take care of your Sudden Onset Horni) that this has been happening to almost everybody lately. If you decline the offer the Champ will still make a note of how oddly horny they are.

During the 'special' massage, the attendant will mention that they haven't changed anything at the baths recently but now that she thinks about it, the massage oil they use does smell a bit different now. They'll mention offhandedly that the oil is made of herbs, plant oils and water right from the aqueducts.

Reinforcing this, on your first visit the Champ will notice twice how amazing the oil smells (repeat visits downplay it a bit but it's still there) and the massage itself makes multiple references to the sweet smell. That means that the game calls your attention to the smell of the bath oil four separate times, and draws your attention multiple times to how it's making you (and most of the other patrons) extra-horny.

So yeah, something funny is going on here. Perhaps even something demonic in origin... And Arille's dad is paying for everyone to attend which encourages even more people to go and the attendants say that it must represent a phenomenal expenditure of money. On its own that might not be a big deal (this sort of thing was common in Rome which is KM's biggest inspiration) but once you factor in whatever's going on with the oil, it's pretty clear there's Plot to be had here eventually and that means Arille may have a part to play in it because one way or another her father is involved.

 

[wery12345]

Only the fox den drains life force, if it were a certain fox it would be a death drain.

 

[Lone Wolf115]

It's a couple things added together:

Spoiler

The biggest thing is what happens when you get a massage. The Champ will suddenly find themselves aroused even though they weren't thinking a single lewd thought, and I mean really aroused. The attendant will even say afterwards (if you accept her offer to take care of your Sudden Onset Horni) that this has been happening to almost everybody lately. If you decline the offer the Champ will still make a note of how oddly horny they are.

During the 'special' massage, the attendant will mention that they haven't changed anything at the baths recently but now that she thinks about it, the massage oil they use does smell a bit different now. They'll mention offhandedly that the oil is made of herbs, plant oils and water right from the aqueducts.

Reinforcing this, on your first visit the Champ will notice twice how amazing the oil smells (repeat visits downplay it a bit but it's still there) and the massage itself makes multiple references to the sweet smell. That means that the game calls your attention to the smell of the bath oil four separate times, and draws your attention multiple times to how it's making you (and most of the other patrons) extra-horny.

So yeah, something funny is going on here. Perhaps even something demonic in origin... And Arille's dad is paying for everyone to attend which encourages even more people to go and the attendants say that it must represent a phenomenal expenditure of money. On its own that might not be a big deal (this sort of thing was common in Rome which is KM's biggest inspiration) but once you factor in whatever's going on with the oil, it's pretty clear there's Plot to be had here eventually and that means Arille may have a part to play in it because one way or another her father is involved.

I'm now thinking something is there I never thought about it thanks for making me realize it.

 

[zagzig]

The way Aileh's pregnancy is set up feels like an ambush. So if you have a virile penis, you upgrade the Wayfort, and you're romantic with Aileh, then a special event triggers where you impregnate Aileh (though neither of you realise it at the time). There's nothing to suggest this is going to happen, and at no point are you given the choice to opt out, and there's no way to skip the event once you fulfil the conditions unless you know it's coming and stay on birth control whenever you visit Aileh. And once the event triggers, you are guaranteed to impregnate Aileh.

The Miko pregnancy event has a lot in common, but it set up differently - the event triggers if you have a virile penis and cleaned up around the den, but you get a bolded warning of what's about to happen and the choice to opt out. I think it would help in the long run if Aileh's pregnancy event was brought into line with Miko's, as it's not always going to be Mayternity and at some point someone who didn't want to impregnate Aileh is going to stumble onto it.

 

[wery12345]

Yeah, bit weird there isnt a warning, especially if it works like Mikos, theres nice bolded letters telling you your about to fuck around and find out the consequences of your actions.

 

[Yddgrasil]

You can only thicken Cait through excessive Minotau blowjobs. Despite the fact that my character using orcish alchemy-magic regularily cums 500,000 liters