Your gripes with CoC II
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Okay for a hot minute there the "Ariel" confused me. Thought it was a whole different character. Knowing it's Arille makes much more sense.
Also if she's light on content I guess they wanted to focus on Noire and pregnancy content for Mayternity, which I definitely appreciate so far. Preg-Orc 5some is beautiful addition. Breeding a new generation of Kervus is delightful.
Also if she's light on content I guess they wanted to focus on Noire and pregnancy content for Mayternity, which I definitely appreciate so far. Preg-Orc 5some is beautiful addition. Breeding a new generation of Kervus is delightful.
Nothing's been said that I can find but given that Arille's father is apparently Quite Important (and if you pay attention to some of the dialogue, it seems like there might be Something Funny going on in the baths and I'm not talking about the Champ's sexual escapades) I wouldn't be surprised if she gets more to do in the future.
When you say "Something Funny" do you mean we're being watched or drained of life force? I don't get it.
It's a couple things added together:
The biggest thing is what happens when you get a massage. The Champ will suddenly find themselves aroused even though they weren't thinking a single lewd thought, and I mean really aroused. The attendant will even say afterwards (if you accept her offer to take care of your Sudden Onset Horni) that this has been happening to almost everybody lately. If you decline the offer the Champ will still make a note of how oddly horny they are.
During the 'special' massage, the attendant will mention that they haven't changed anything at the baths recently but now that she thinks about it, the massage oil they use does smell a bit different now. They'll mention offhandedly that the oil is made of herbs, plant oils and water right from the aqueducts.
Reinforcing this, on your first visit the Champ will notice twice how amazing the oil smells (repeat visits downplay it a bit but it's still there) and the massage itself makes multiple references to the sweet smell. That means that the game calls your attention to the smell of the bath oil four separate times, and draws your attention multiple times to how it's making you (and most of the other patrons) extra-horny.
So yeah, something funny is going on here. Perhaps even something demonic in origin... And Arille's dad is paying for everyone to attend which encourages even more people to go and the attendants say that it must represent a phenomenal expenditure of money. On its own that might not be a big deal (this sort of thing was common in Rome which is KM's biggest inspiration) but once you factor in whatever's going on with the oil, it's pretty clear there's Plot to be had here eventually and that means Arille may have a part to play in it because one way or another her father is involved.
During the 'special' massage, the attendant will mention that they haven't changed anything at the baths recently but now that she thinks about it, the massage oil they use does smell a bit different now. They'll mention offhandedly that the oil is made of herbs, plant oils and water right from the aqueducts.
Reinforcing this, on your first visit the Champ will notice twice how amazing the oil smells (repeat visits downplay it a bit but it's still there) and the massage itself makes multiple references to the sweet smell. That means that the game calls your attention to the smell of the bath oil four separate times, and draws your attention multiple times to how it's making you (and most of the other patrons) extra-horny.
So yeah, something funny is going on here. Perhaps even something demonic in origin... And Arille's dad is paying for everyone to attend which encourages even more people to go and the attendants say that it must represent a phenomenal expenditure of money. On its own that might not be a big deal (this sort of thing was common in Rome which is KM's biggest inspiration) but once you factor in whatever's going on with the oil, it's pretty clear there's Plot to be had here eventually and that means Arille may have a part to play in it because one way or another her father is involved.
Lone Wolf115
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I'm now thinking something is there I never thought about it thanks for making me realize it.
The way Aileh's pregnancy is set up feels like an ambush. So if you have a virile penis, you upgrade the Wayfort, and you're romantic with Aileh, then a special event triggers where you impregnate Aileh (though neither of you realise it at the time). There's nothing to suggest this is going to happen, and at no point are you given the choice to opt out, and there's no way to skip the event once you fulfil the conditions unless you know it's coming and stay on birth control whenever you visit Aileh. And once the event triggers, you are guaranteed to impregnate Aileh.
The Miko pregnancy event has a lot in common, but it set up differently - the event triggers if you have a virile penis and cleaned up around the den, but you get a bolded warning of what's about to happen and the choice to opt out. I think it would help in the long run if Aileh's pregnancy event was brought into line with Miko's, as it's not always going to be Mayternity and at some point someone who didn't want to impregnate Aileh is going to stumble onto it.
The Miko pregnancy event has a lot in common, but it set up differently - the event triggers if you have a virile penis and cleaned up around the den, but you get a bolded warning of what's about to happen and the choice to opt out. I think it would help in the long run if Aileh's pregnancy event was brought into line with Miko's, as it's not always going to be Mayternity and at some point someone who didn't want to impregnate Aileh is going to stumble onto it.
Yeah, bit weird there isnt a warning, especially if it works like Mikos, theres nice bolded letters telling you your about to fuck around and find out the consequences of your actions.
Damage based black mages feel a bit clunky, there are large chunks of time where I can't really do anything, or my effectiveness is severely reduced, either a buff to at-will spells, or an additional recharge power slot would be nice.
If you're having trouble with damage output, it's most likely because you're trying to hit enemies with a damage type that they're resistant to and you should consider swapping Powers out for a different damage type. Withering Bolt is great on anything with the Beast taxonomy for example but it's almost worthless against demonic enemies. Psychic Blast can replace it straight from the Black Mage's own skill tree, or you can use Magic Missile as another At-Will if you've learned it via Mirror Stance.
There is a big combat rebalance going on so we'll have to wait and see how it affects... everything.
There is a big combat rebalance going on so we'll have to wait and see how it affects... everything.
From a very talented Alypia:
CoC2 gendery/parts count as of 2 June 2022 (public patch 0.4.47)
NPCs:
Male (penis or no penis): 97
Female (no penis): 167
Female (penis): 45
Sexable NPCs:
Male (penis or no penis): 65
Female (no penis): 128
Female (penis, no vag): 14
Female (penis and vag): 24
Other: 4
Eh, maybe it is just me, but like, besides Vahn (who I do think would look good in a skirt), I do not think the rest are far off to what most people would consider femboys. Liamme, Del (who game specifically calls that), Yoma (his unused bust makes it more apperent)...
But lets move from TiTS and stick to the realms of CoC2.
The ones that people consider femboys are: June, Jin-Jin (I think?), prince Nyze, Nikol, Elf Boy, Boomer, Mallach, Vicky, Sugo and, of course, Berwyn (who Wiki does not even put under masculine category).
And, generally, I can see where people are coming from when talking about these guys. But under my umbrella, some other guys could also fall under that category.
Quinn, Elyon, Darius, Taka, Whisper and Nakano. Like, what is the upper limit where we go from femboy to pretty boy/twink? I think this basically a me problem but I do get bothered somewhat by it, especially when it comes communicating with people. When someone tells me that they want more musceline and/or feminine guys I struggle to understand what they want exactly. Since, to me, basically anything under Brint/Younzan (hunks) is someone I consider on more on feminine side of things. How much or less is one feminine than other? Not really something I bother to put a scale on.
Edit: For example, what do you consider femboys and what do you not? In that thread, you argued that both Dell and Kase are not ones. Why? Especially Kase since the game seems think otherwise. I am not saying that that makes your opinion wrong. It is just me showcasing that you and I (and basically every being on this god forsaken/devil blessed) earth seem to have different connotation for what constitutes as a femboy.
But lets move from TiTS and stick to the realms of CoC2.
The ones that people consider femboys are: June, Jin-Jin (I think?), prince Nyze, Nikol, Elf Boy, Boomer, Mallach, Vicky, Sugo and, of course, Berwyn (who Wiki does not even put under masculine category).
And, generally, I can see where people are coming from when talking about these guys. But under my umbrella, some other guys could also fall under that category.
Quinn, Elyon, Darius, Taka, Whisper and Nakano. Like, what is the upper limit where we go from femboy to pretty boy/twink? I think this basically a me problem but I do get bothered somewhat by it, especially when it comes communicating with people. When someone tells me that they want more musceline and/or feminine guys I struggle to understand what they want exactly. Since, to me, basically anything under Brint/Younzan (hunks) is someone I consider on more on feminine side of things. How much or less is one feminine than other? Not really something I bother to put a scale on.
Edit: For example, what do you consider femboys and what do you not? In that thread, you argued that both Dell and Kase are not ones. Why? Especially Kase since the game seems think otherwise. I am not saying that that makes your opinion wrong. It is just me showcasing that you and I (and basically every being on this god forsaken/devil blessed) earth seem to have different connotation for what constitutes as a femboy.
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TheShepard256
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My opinion is:
Femboys: Sugo, Liamme, Del, Nyze, Berwyn, Nikol, Able
Pretty boy: Kase, Mallach, all the kitsune males, Quin, Yoma
I also think attitude can influence whether someone's a femboy or pretty boy. For instance, Kase could go either way (he's got the hips & ass to be a femboy, but not the facial femininity), but since he doesn't act feminine at all, I don't consider him to be a true femboy.
Femboys: Sugo, Liamme, Del, Nyze, Berwyn, Nikol, Able
Pretty boy: Kase, Mallach, all the kitsune males, Quin, Yoma
I also think attitude can influence whether someone's a femboy or pretty boy. For instance, Kase could go either way (he's got the hips & ass to be a femboy, but not the facial femininity), but since he doesn't act feminine at all, I don't consider him to be a true femboy.
To me, there's a line between twinks and femboys. One of them is "handsome lad" and the other one is "dude looks like a lady". I don't know if you know/are a fan of Berserk, but, if you do/are, think of Serpico as oppsed to Griffith.
In my case, I could go with "soft features". I mean, there could be a chubster NPC who happened to be a pretty boy.
An edit for the edit: here's my list. It's by no means a strict one, and I know there are missing characters, but it'll give you an idea.
Manly Men of Manliness
Bruno
Rroljar
Argoth
Orc warrior
Centaur packleader
Taldahs
Fenraus
Orc thane
Brint
Behemoth
Vitruvius
Gunvaldsen
Minotaur miners
Minotaur ghosts
Livernus
Hirrud
Leothran village males (I think)
Garth
Pavo
Male jotun (bust makes him look "less" masculine)
Garret
Cultist Reaver (I think)
Masculine:
Vaush
Orc apprentice
Ogrish
Centaur marauder
Crazy Horse
Siorcanna hunter (I think)
Male/Maleherm Liulfr
Barney
Rooh
Imad
Sanders
Sexy male statue
Hobgoblin thug
Tollus
Kitsune protector (I think)
Elaril
Imps
Lupine archer
Nash
Handsome lads-twinks:
Darius
Incubus blackguard
Raphael
Hinata
Nakano
Hitoshi
Quintillus
Svern
Kazuo
Takahiro
Keros
Psion
Elyon
Leold
Philander
Whisper
Feminine twinks & androgynous-looking males
Kitsune spellblade
Boomer
Male batfolk mugger
Jin-Jin
Undermountain kobolds
Male Lyric
River
Ninian
Nikol (bust makes him look more feminine)
Rather feminine/femlads
Berwyn (as of this time of typing)
Hornet drone
Mallach
Nyze
June
Elf Boy
Sugo
Haven't interacted with him/are vaguely described/I don't know if they're males to begin with
Dale
Avanai rider
Benny
Mino guards
Mino soldiers
Male harem spirit (bust looks masculine)
"MaleRide" slime
"MaleFuck" slime
Spectral barbarian
Spectral ghost
Taothian
Gnoll raiders
Grey-furred slaver
Male elf guards
Barghest
Demontaur
Telfir
Yonzan
Cultists (Mage, Archer, Bloodletter)
Leofric
Kelsaz
Hive knights
Flaming bull
Cultist Magos
Cultist bodyguards
Corrupted lupines
Bruno
Rroljar
Argoth
Orc warrior
Centaur packleader
Taldahs
Fenraus
Orc thane
Brint
Behemoth
Vitruvius
Gunvaldsen
Minotaur miners
Minotaur ghosts
Livernus
Hirrud
Leothran village males (I think)
Garth
Pavo
Male jotun (bust makes him look "less" masculine)
Garret
Cultist Reaver (I think)
Masculine:
Vaush
Orc apprentice
Ogrish
Centaur marauder
Crazy Horse
Siorcanna hunter (I think)
Male/Maleherm Liulfr
Barney
Rooh
Imad
Sanders
Sexy male statue
Hobgoblin thug
Tollus
Kitsune protector (I think)
Elaril
Imps
Lupine archer
Nash
Handsome lads-twinks:
Darius
Incubus blackguard
Raphael
Hinata
Nakano
Hitoshi
Quintillus
Svern
Kazuo
Takahiro
Keros
Psion
Elyon
Leold
Philander
Whisper
Feminine twinks & androgynous-looking males
Kitsune spellblade
Boomer
Male batfolk mugger
Jin-Jin
Undermountain kobolds
Male Lyric
River
Ninian
Nikol (bust makes him look more feminine)
Rather feminine/femlads
Berwyn (as of this time of typing)
Hornet drone
Mallach
Nyze
June
Elf Boy
Sugo
Haven't interacted with him/are vaguely described/I don't know if they're males to begin with
Dale
Avanai rider
Benny
Mino guards
Mino soldiers
Male harem spirit (bust looks masculine)
"MaleRide" slime
"MaleFuck" slime
Spectral barbarian
Spectral ghost
Taothian
Gnoll raiders
Grey-furred slaver
Male elf guards
Barghest
Demontaur
Telfir
Yonzan
Cultists (Mage, Archer, Bloodletter)
Leofric
Kelsaz
Hive knights
Flaming bull
Cultist Magos
Cultist bodyguards
Corrupted lupines
Because one's a feminised man (he says so himself) and the other one is just a regular male kaitrit.
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Yeah aren't male kaithrit very effeminate to the point they grow milky boobs once their partner is pregnant to help with/take over feeding? And there's a kind of reverse-misogyny where the kaithrit homeworld is very "Men should know their place and stay in the kitchen" which they're now pushing back against?
the way I see see it their entire species is made up of cat girls, cat femboys, and cat dickgirls, and their simply are no naturally occurring masculine males. I like to keep it simple and say any male that is sufficiently feminine is a femboy, regardless of extenuating circumstances.
Also I don't really see the line between femboy and twink, whenever I see someone try to explain it always looks to me like a range of average to cute males or androgynous to feminine femboys. from what I can tell the "line" looks more like a blurred gradient from the range of twink definitions I've seen.
Also I don't really see the line between femboy and twink, whenever I see someone try to explain it always looks to me like a range of average to cute males or androgynous to feminine femboys. from what I can tell the "line" looks more like a blurred gradient from the range of twink definitions I've seen.
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