Your gripes with CoC II

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WolframL

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Do you think we will get more Anna and Morwen content? I really like Anna.
Ehhh, I suppose you could ping SKoW since they're her characters. I know I'd love even more content for them but I've no clue if there are any plans for that.
 

Kingu2

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Not really a gripe but I can't help but notice that there's no codex entry for humans. I mean I get that they're boring compared to other fantasy races and everything but it still seems really odd that they aren't there.
 
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Animalistic

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I mean, this is still Corruption of Champions. That's more or less how things work around here, you beat the snot out of people and then have some fun with them, the MCs in these games have befriended NPCs just the same way. I can see a Dark Knight PC being vindictive about it, but even so it's an unspoken rule in this universe. Certain concessions will be made due to being a porn game.
I mean, If we could force ourselves on others sure. But we can not. So I do not see your point.
 

Animalistic

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wow... I think that has to go on the record as the dumbest thing ever said about CoC
By which I mean, us attacking someone cause we feel like it. Usually we only gey victory sex from combat encounter that was instigated by the enemy. Only time we can truly force ourselves on some one else is when we defeat Azy when sparring.
 

Tide Hunter

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By which I mean, us attacking someone cause we feel like it. Usually we only gey victory sex from combat encounter that was instigated by the enemy. Only time we can truly force ourselves on some one else is when we defeat Azy when sparring.
Also there's Hretha and Infrith.
 

Wint3rRyd3r

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Also there's Hretha and Infrith.

They're part of an invading force plaguing the country side. It stops being self defense on their part when they're part of that.

I think corrupt route Azzy is the only one that fits what you want Animalistic. You can just straight up attack her and force yourself on her. I don't think anyone else waits for you to attack first, at least not without trying to rob you at knife/claw/sword/cock point.
 

Stupid_Goo

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You mean rape someone without being attacked? You see a NPC wandering about and your PC fucks them?
... So horse mark wyld elf boi in the Old Forest who wants help getting off?
Or that goddess of the springs that will only let you sex her as a male or shemale, because if you have a vag at all, she's the one that dicks you?
Or what about Hashat that exclusively lets elves do the dirty without fighting?
Let's not forget about potentially never having to fight any of the foxes apart from Kuraho because they offer doing you/doing them as payment-
Oh wait, you said rape without fighting, not consensual sex...
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Yeah, I got nothing.
Unless you want something some people call "consenting non-consent," I don't think you'll find any mobs or NPCs you can sneak up on and stick your dick into their hole(s) without having to rough them up a bit.
 

Kingu2

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Yeah, I got nothing.
Unless you want something some people call "consenting non-consent," I don't think you'll find any mobs or NPCs you can sneak up on and stick your dick into their hole(s) without having to rough them up a bit.
This sort of goes hand in hand with the severe lack of corrupt/evil content. people just don't seem to be as interested in making that kind of content.
 

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I'm not into the whole raping thing myself. Victory sex is fine seeing as most NPCs would have PC stripped and bent over if they had won.
 
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Wint3rRyd3r

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I'm not into the whole raping thing myself. Victory sex is fine seeing as most NPCs would have PC stripped and bent over if they had won.

That seems to be the majority opinion. As someone in the "No rape" group, I quite understand why. I doubt we'll see many scenes where the player is the aggressor. No one seems to want to write those kinds of scenes.
 

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They're part of an invading force plaguing the country side. It stops being self defense on their part when they're part of that.

I think corrupt route Azzy is the only one that fits what you want Animalistic. You can just straight up attack her and force yourself on her. I don't think anyone else waits for you to attack first, at least not without trying to rob you at knife/claw/sword/cock point.


Pretty sure they qualify as non-combatant tag alongs instead of part of the military and wouldn't generally be considered a legal target in modern views of war.
 

Wint3rRyd3r

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Pretty sure they qualify as non-combatant tag alongs instead of part of the military and wouldn't generally be considered a legal target in modern views of war.

1. They attack first and are still a part of them. I wouldn't say they're non-combatants although it's admittedly iffy with them.
2. We in ye olde other world so the Geneva Convention doesn't apply.
3. This is more personal, but when I play games that have choices I usually metaphorically wipe my ass with the Geneva Convention. I blow up Megaton cuz it's funny to me and I never warn the Batarians I'm gonna blow up their entire system. Stupid evil may be stupid, but it's fun.
4. I wouldn't call it a fight. I like to level grind (I need more levels Savin. Please. I'm desperate. I need bigger numbers.) so taking them down is easy.
5. I didn't destroy Kervus and kill all those people. Benny Hill did. Win3rRyd3rs don't kill people. Benny Hills kill people. Well, except for those imps. And the Alraune. And the centaur pack leaders. Huh. Maybe I am part of the problem. Anyway BRB gonna play Arrival DLC in Legendary Edition. Gotta see that explosion in HD.
 

Wint3rRyd3r

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The explosion wasn't that different. Maybe because I don't have a 4k tv. But maybe one of 3 colors at the end of 3 will look great!

On topic and a minor gripe, the power menu gets kinda hard to navigate as I get more powers. And if I want to equip or just look, I have to be careful or I'll accidentally change my loadout. I went into a fight with all magic powers barring my ultimate one time on accident. I'm a warrior with the swift sword. My smoothbrain can't use spells effectively. That's why I rely on sharp things. But if I don't learn all the things, how will everyone be right in assuming I have a perfect memory?
 

Furio

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My 8 foot tall Orc Barbarian Warrior having only 2 Strength out of character creation is somewhat weird.
 

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What if she has a Bodybuilder or Amazonian physique though?
Appearance =/= actual stats. Given a max starting value of 5 and that the Orc Barbarian Warrior still has strength in their affinities, it works out. You're a fair bit tankier than just about every other starting combination instead, with 5 toughess.
 
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Furio

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Appearance =/= actual stats.
Obviously.

Given a max starting value of 5 and that the Orc Barbarian Warrior still has strength in their affinities, it works out. You're a fair bit tankier than just about every other starting combination instead, with 5 toughess.
Let me say it like this, it's disconcerting that all three of these together put such great emphasis on martial tradition yet the result is someone who isn't really any stronger than your typical elf or catgirl (at least at first). I'm sure you can attest to someone like Brint fulfilling the very classical "Barbarian Warrior" archetype and he has an abundance of Strength and Toughness. There's a certain juxtaposition here between what the game's descriptions tells you and the actual mechanical outcome, no? Yes there's the affinity system I'm well aware of, but fresh out the gate how does 2 strength represent my character's background?
 

sumgai

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... you're the one that disturbed the stats.

;)

If you're unhappy, go to any trainer and respec.
 

Furio

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I don't mind too much really, I get it's not always easy to translate fluff perfectly into mechanics and you can always compensate with levels, but it's something I wanted to address regardless.
 

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Obviously.


Let me say it like this, it's disconcerting that all three of these together put such great emphasis on martial tradition yet the result is someone who isn't really any stronger than your typical elf or catgirl (at least at first). I'm sure you can attest to someone like Brint fulfilling the very classical "Barbarian Warrior" archetype and he has an abundance of Strength and Toughness. There's a certain juxtaposition here between what the game's descriptions tells you and the actual mechanical outcome, no? Yes there's the affinity system I'm well aware of, but fresh out the gate how does 2 strength represent my character's background?
The initial starting stats don't represent your character's background, no. That's just how game design generally is - if each new character was maxed from the get go (or at least have one high core stat) it would take the progression out of the game.
The game kind of alludes in your PC's backstory that their affinities are the boon they have gained from their prior life - not raw stats. So, your PC would be able to progress much faster in those specific stats than other baseline characters with no affinities for those stats.

It's not always a perfect 1:1, as with the Brint/Brienne Wayfarer's scenario - they have much higher Strength than the PC can achieve - and Atugia has a much higher Toughness than the PC can achieve - but ya know, Companions need something to differentiate themselves.
 

Furio

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I'd actually be interested in finding out how Strength and Toughness is necessarily differentiated on a physical level in CoC.
 

WolframL

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Have you never played an RPG before? There needs to be some way to distinguish how good you are at hitting things from how good you are at taking hits. You could also think of Toughness as 'Constitution' or 'Endurance', they're just different names for the same concept. And no, the two traits do not have an intrinsic need to be linked because one can abstract them, such that someone isn't necessarily physically strong but knows how to take a punch regardless, or has a glass jaw but can hit back ridiculously hard.
 

Furio

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I always found the distinction between Strength and the obligatory Endurance stat arbitrary in most RPGs, and I ask because I'm curious how one would write scenes where Strength and/or Toughness come into play.
 

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I always found the distinction between Strength and the obligatory Endurance stat arbitrary in most RPGs, and I ask because I'm curious how one would write scenes where Strength and/or Toughness come into play.
To my knowledge there are a couple of scenes like this (Strength / Toughness checks).
  • Toughness seems to be referenced as Endurance for the most part (in scenes) - as seen here.
  • Strength seems to be raw physical capability (for the most part) - as seen Brienne's one pregnancy related scene (need high Strength to overpower her - not even mentioned on the wiki, so no link), Leorah's Bestial sex scene (need high Strength to overpower her - not mentioned on the wiki), and Gwyneth's take into room scene (need high Strength to bridal carry her - not mentioned on the wiki).
I'd suggest having a look at the event writer's guide and the parser documentation.
 

Furio

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Thank you, I actually took a look at the writer's guide earlier but haven't finished the rest.
 
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