Your gripes with CoC II

[Animalistic]

Same, but where is the "gets angry and rapes girls" thing coming from? I distrust him and I'm sure he'll try that on the champion, but has there been anything concrete? I haven't seen an updated Merk questline doc.

If you (try to) corrupt him, he rebels against you and along with his male mercs, goes and rapes female mercenaries. So he does what he has done up until now, he just excuses it on corruption. After that he becomes roaming encounter while Jen blames us.

Now again, you can excuse it as it being our fault. But than again, I do not see what we have to gain from him raping all of his female mercs. Just seems counterproductive. So it feels more like game is shaming us for wanting to act corrupt. Eh, at least that disbands the mercs.

This was posted on discord by Bubbles. Can not be bothered to find it.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

If you (try to) corrupt him, he rebels against you and along with his male mercs, goes and rapes female mercenaries. So he does what he has done up until now, he just excuses it on corruption. After that he becomes roaming encounter while Jen blames us.

Now again, you can excuse it as it being our fault. But than again, I do not see what we have to gain from him raping all of his female mercs. Just seems counterproductive. So it feels more like game is shaming us for wanting to act corrupt. Eh, at least that disbands the mercs.

This was posted on discord by Bubbles. Can not be bothered to find it.

Ah, I don't have the discord so that'd be why I don't know it. But the attempts to corrupt him fail but he still goes around and acts corrupt? That is not a good look. I was expecting the corrupt option for the mercs to be demoralizing them beyond repair and making them leave or press them into wayfort service. This is just counterproductive to have a nearly immortal rape monster running around. Can't blame Jen for being mad at us though. Even if he was already bad, it sounds like a corrupt route would make him worse or give him an excuse he can claim. The more I learn about Leofric, the less I want to see him. If he wasn't some superman, it wouldn't be as bad. But unless there's a permanent way to deal with him (magical sealing, throw into a portal somewhere, abuse physics and rocks to keep him pinned under an avalanche) then what's the point? make nice with the asshole or have to put up with him roaming around. Neither option sounds enticing or satisfying. It's not like the mercs are doing anything different now so barring the genders being exclusively male, it sounds like a corrupt route is just the status quo. I hope that all isn't the case.

 

[Animalistic]

Ah, I don't have the discord so that'd be why I don't know it. But the attempts to corrupt him fail but he still goes around and acts corrupt? That is not a good look. I was expecting the corrupt option for the mercs to be demoralizing them beyond repair and making them leave or press them into wayfort service. This is just counterproductive to have a nearly immortal rape monster running around. Can't blame Jen for being mad at us though. Even if he was already bad, it sounds like a corrupt route would make him worse or give him an excuse he can claim. The more I learn about Leofric, the less I want to see him. If he wasn't some superman, it wouldn't be as bad. But unless there's a permanent way to deal with him (magical sealing, throw into a portal somewhere, abuse physics and rocks to keep him pinned under an avalanche) then what's the point? make nice with the asshole or have to put up with him roaming around. Neither option sounds enticing or satisfying. It's not like the mercs are doing anything different now so barring the genders being exclusively male, it sounds like a corrupt route is just the status quo. I hope that all isn't the case.

I am not sure if we succeede in corrupting him or not. That is why I wrote (try to) like this.
Still, if we succeed, why does he turn against us? I hope we find out. Ev

Still, yeah... I also find it weird that only men rape women. Like this is getting way to close to IRL situations. Since the rest of the game is pretty equal when it comes to rape. Everyone does it. Expect in this case apparently. Why do only male mercs start raping? Because that is not my experience with them. Everyone wanted peace of me.

 

[SomeNobody]

Leofric sounds pretty garbage, like it was fine when he sucker-punches the champion during an event after you beat Jen enough in order to save her as your first introduction to the guy but what exactly are the various outcomes of the Marked Mercenaries storyline? Specifically non-corrupt ones.

His holy boons sound pretty ridiculous compared to most stuff seen in the game, why not just cut his head off? Usually works pretty well in stopping various kinds of undead critters.

 

[Animalistic]

Leofric sounds pretty garbage, like it was fine when he sucker-punches the champion during an event after you beat Jen enough in order to save her as your first introduction to the guy but what exactly are the various outcomes of the Marked Mercenaries storyline? Specifically non-corrupt ones.

His holy boons sound pretty ridiculous compared to most stuff seen in the game, why not just cut his head off? Usually works pretty well in stopping various kinds of undead critters.

3 options. Besides corrupt one, you cN either get him and jen together and stop mercs attacka. Or you can steal Jen from him and stop attacks.

I personally would just like to tell them to buzz off since they are all bunch of rapist that did about as much harm as Orcs that they were hired to protect us from. But nope, you either be all buddy buddy with them or Leofric geta to rape women to his heart content. Either way he gets away scott free.

Oh yeah, thank you for reminding me about his back handed attack. He is really a swell guy.

Also, I have to say. We got pretty screwed by the gods compared to him if we take them up on our offer. While all we get is social boon and permanent TF, he gets enhanced strength, vitality and indestructibility. Like wow.

 

[zork787]

my only gripe so far I've just found, Shar'd content isn't being added fast enough

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

3 options. Besides corrupt one, you cN either get him and jen together and stop mercs attacka. Or you can steal Jen from him and stop attacks.

I personally would just like to tell them to buzz off since they are all bunch of rapist that did about as much harm as Orcs that they were hired to protect us from. But nope, you either be all buddy buddy with them or Leofric geta to rape women to his heart content. Either way he gets away scott free.

Oh yeah, thank you for reminding me about his back handed attack. He is really a swell guy.

Also, I have to say. We got pretty screwed by the gods compared to him if we take them up on our offer. While all we get is social boon and permanent TF, he gets enhanced strength, vitality and indestructibility. Like wow.

Jen's an incompetent leader with a bad case of hero worship but she's not a bad fighter. If anything getting her away from the rapey assholes is a good thing. It'd at least hurt Leofric's pride to run off with his biggest fan. But I'm not happy at the idea of Leofric and the other mercs getting away with what they're doing. They're just as bad as the orcs, harpies, and I go so far as to say imps. I'd sacrifice content with them if it meant actually getting a satisfying conclusion.

 

[Stupid_Goo]

So...

Leofric is secretly an anti-hero? Sick.
Except he's an actual asshole that nobody likes and not like Alucard or Deadpool.

 

[SomeNobody]

my only gripe so far I've just found, Shar'd content isn't being added fast enough

Hear hear!

Even if she's not as likely to be a companion as she once was I'd still like to sit down with the chirpy girl and tell her more stories of our adventures/further train her in the fighting arts.
Forget about spending time adding any more scenes of a sexual nature, this is one character I just want to see other kinds of content and interaction for.

 

[Shmebulock]

I think most of the NPCs that occassionally get flak from people around here are nevertheless good characters. If you hate someone you're supposed to hate, then it's good stuff. Much more satisfying when they get their just desserts at your cock hands. For instance...

Byvernia's cool. Sure, she likes to gank you and carries a Phoenix Down with her, but it's a cool combat that can catch you unawares and, once you beat her, you can pound her like a piñata in the most satisfying fashion.

Leofric's fine too I suppose. He also ganks you and cheap shots you, but you got to respect a man that knows Raging Demon.

Maybe gets people salty because he doesn't get any comeuppance later... but I think it will come in the future. And, no, Leofric, I won't stop clapping Jen every time I see her.

As far as I'm concerned, Evergreen is a very pleasant lady that earned the right to live undisturbed in her little cottage of debauchery long ago. As long as you don't come preaching and mind your own business, she'll pay you with the same coin, and that's a fairer deal than you'll get from, say, people in cassocks, old fox soul-vampire harridans, and lethargic old school vampires that are in the "Let's-not-teach-dark-arts-in-Hogwarts" lobby. Plus, it's not like she's pre-industrial Doctor Badger. She's hospitable. And I'm pretty sure my Champion is worse than her.

However...

Big schlong wyld elf boy can fuck right off.

Annoying fairy man from the forest can catch fire and then fuck right off.

Crazy horses and their bullshit crit damage should be turnet into glue, and I should be able to slap the marefolk leader sharply before lecturing her in the basics of responsibility and not giving axes to mental patients.

 

[SomeNobody]

Byvernia's cool.

I'm interested in seeing her content expanded, want to know what her whole deal is but most importantly want to know what's going on with the kids I've knocked her up with in the past!
Hope they're doing alright.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

And, no, Leofric, I won't stop clapping Jen every time I see her.

The one thing everyone can agree on.

Byvernia's cool.

eeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhh. I mean, if you're into that I won't judge but eeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Big schlong wyld elf boy can fuck right off.

Annoying fairy man from the forest can catch fire and then fuck right off.

Hard agree on elf boi. Ninian is an ass but he's not the worst. He's pretty arrogant for someone who could be defeated by a rolled up newspaper though.

Crazy horses and their bullshit crit damage should be turnet into glue, and I should be able to slap the marefolk leader sharply before lecturing her in the basics of responsibility and not giving axes to mental patients.

Fuck the crazy horses, in a nonsexual way. Those guys are annoying and there has got to be a better solution than just letting them run around attacking everyone they see. Still, with how much stuff we find laying around, it wouldn't shock me if they stole those axes. I mean, just look at all those high quality rocks and flamey sword juices lying around.

 

[Karamaru]

The one thing everyone can agree on.

Kicking the mercs butts never gets old.

 

[Kingu2]

most of the npcs don't really annoy me enough for me to outright hate them. though I will say I dislike most of the kitsunes and there are some npcs that annoy me greatly. I think the character I hate the most is Tollus. the guy is just a power hungry asshole leading a bunch of gullible dumbasses, who doesn't give a shit how many people he has to step on to get what he wants. but I guess that is what most cult leaders are, huh.

 

[SmithEK]

I have done all Jens talk scenes, when do we see Leofric again?

 

[Animalistic]

I have done all Jens talk scenes, when do we see Leofric again?

As of now you can not meat him. Only times he shows up is when you defeat Jen couple of times.

 

[GEESE]

I assume people are just talking about wip docs for the next expansion then?

 

[Animalistic]

I assume people are just talking about wip docs for the next expansion then?

Not public docs exist that I know off. Just some stuff posted on discord.

 

[GEESE]

weird, people are talking like they know exactly how the guy is gonna go. Hopefully they're wrong though, cuz it sounds kinda badly written.

 

[Squirrelwagon]

Stuff posted on the discord that got misinterpreted, on top of that. The stuff you're talking about is specifically in a bad ending, if you corrupt him, and bad endings are non-canon. It's at no point going to be content in their main storyline.

What the actual fuck.

 

[Animalistic]

weird, people are talking like they know exactly how the guy is gonna go. Hopefully they're wrong though, cuz it sounds kinda badly written.

I hope so.

Stuff posted on the discord that got misinterpreted, on top of that. The stuff you're talking about is specifically in a bad ending, if you corrupt him, and bad endings are non-canon. It's at no point going to be content in their main storyline.

What the actual fuck.

Did it get changed into bad ending? So he will not become an encounter? I hope so since the first draft sounded awful. Like it was shaming corrupt players. Did anything else get changed?

 

[Squirrelwagon]

Did it get changed into bad ending?

That specific scenario was always intended to be a bad ending, at no point was it supposed to be main story content. If you corrupt him, and then hit the requirements for a bad ending, that stuff might happen. He also doesn't go on a raping spree that part is just straight up false.

So he will not become an encounter? I hope so since the first draft sounded awful. Did anything else get changed?

Oh, he's an encounter. It just seems like you misinterpreted some of the stuff in that doc because I have no idea how you came to the conclusions you did.

He's also not immortal or indestructible; as someone further up said, decapitation will kill him, he's just very, very resistant to magic attacks. I'm just incredibly baffled right now.

 

[Animalistic]

That specific scenario was always intended to be a bad ending, at no point was it supposed to be main story content. If you corrupt him, and then hit the requirements for a bad ending, that stuff might happen. He also doesn't go on a raping spree that part is just straight up false.



Oh, he's an encounter. It just seems like you misinterpreted some of the stuff in that doc because I have no idea how you came to the conclusions you did.

He's also not immortal or indestructible; as someone further up said, decapitation will kill him, he's just very, very resistant to magic attacks. I'm just incredibly baffled right now.

And what I meant by raping sprees is that he and his bunch of goons go and rape other half of his mercs. Than they become hostile encounters? So i guess that is false?

Also, I just read stuff on discord 2 months ago. I do not remember any doc. So apologieson my part.

Is the doc public?
Also, any more info you can give?

 

[BubbleLord]

If you (try to) corrupt him, he rebels against you and along with his male mercs, goes and rapes female mercenaries. So he does what he has done up until now, he just excuses it on corruption. After that he becomes roaming encounter while Jen blames us.

Now again, you can excuse it as it being our fault. But than again, I do not see what we have to gain from him raping all of his female mercs. Just seems counterproductive. So it feels more like game is shaming us for wanting to act corrupt. Eh, at least that disbands the mercs.

This was posted on discord by Bubbles. Can not be bothered to find it.

Stop telling fucking lies, dude. This is the last time I'll tell you.

At no point does Leofric just "roam around raping". You continue to lie and not know anything you are fucking talking about. The mercs don't disband and NO ENDING made them do so, even the one on the concept docs where he turns evil (which in itself is vastly out of date). It's lies like this that are why I had to explain/showcase how inaccurate and/or out-of-date this shit is just yesterday.

At no point was there a bad end where Jen "blamed you" because the only continued-play corrupt event was the ORIGINAL bad end for Leofric, which is where you WILLINGLY corrupt him. You obviously didn't fucking read the context, though, as he doesn't SERVE you in even that writing. At no point were you his master/commander.

So kindly STFU and stop telling lies. You're paraphrasing everything I say and you're STILL not even being accurate. Like shit, you literally have people explaining it to you that it's not what you think/assume it is (keypoint on ASS because you're just the biggest one ever anytime you post). So many people on the forums are believing you when you don't even proof your shit or ask me on Discord. Stop spewing your BS.

Every doc on the mercenaries except their ORIGINAL PITCH document are available. And this BAD END where he turns into a monster is because YOU MAKE HIM INTO THAT MONSTER. You. The Player. And it is an end condition that is non-canon. So his terrible actions are because YOU are terrible when you topple him to the dark side, despite countless warnings about it.

It's just like how people ASSUME he's immortal because I mention he ages SLOWER. Not that he DOESN'T AGE. But fuck, I can't wait to hear/see you're doing the exact same shit all over again.

 

[Animalistic]

Stop telling fucking lies, dude. This is the last time I'll tell you.

At no point does Leofric just "roam around raping". You continue to lie and not know anything you are fucking talking about. The mercs don't disband and NO ENDING made them do so, even the one on the concept docs where he turns evil (which in itself is vastly out of date). It's lies like this that are why I had to explain/showcase how inaccurate and/or out-of-date this shit is just yesterday.

At no point was there a bad end where Jen "blamed you" because the only continued-play corrupt event was the ORIGINAL bad end for Leofric, which is where you WILLINGLY corrupt him. You obviously didn't fucking read the context, though, as he doesn't SERVE you in even that writing. At no point were you his master/commander.

So kindly STFU and stop telling lies. You're paraphrasing everything I say and you're STILL not even being accurate. Like shit, you literally have people explaining it to you that it's not what you think/assume it is (keypoint on ASS because you're just the biggest one ever anytime you post). So many people on the forums are believing you when you don't even proof your shit or ask me on Discord. Stop spewing your BS.

Every doc on the mercenaries except their ORIGINAL PITCH document are available. And this BAD END where he turns into a monster is because YOU MAKE HIM INTO THAT MONSTER. You. The Player. And it is an end condition that is non-canon. So his terrible actions are because YOU are terrible when you topple him to the dark side, despite countless warnings about it.

It's just like how people ASSUME he's immortal because I mention he ages SLOWER. Not that he DOESN'T AGE. But fuck, I can't wait to hear/see you're doing the exact same shit all over again.

Wait, it got updated? Thank you and sorry for miss judging. I am going to read it.
About that immortality thing, I should have wrote indestructible. Since, as you said, we can never really defeat him since he can nit be damaged by conventional means. He will just take pittance on us. Which does seem lame.

 

[Paradox01]

Wait, it got updated? Thank you.

 

[BubbleLord]

Wait, it got updated? Thank you and sorry for miss judging. I am going to read it.
About that immortality thing, I should have wrote indestructible. Since, as you said, we can never really defeat him since he can nit be damaged by conventional means. He will just take pittance on us. Which does seem lame.

Except for decapitation (a fatal blow) and magic are all useful against him, whilst conventional damage (stabbing non-vitals, bleeding out, etc) don't work but mechanically will work in-game due to balance, albeit they will do reduced damage.

He doesn't "take pittance"; he doesn't pity you but respects your skill and ability, which is why he stops fighting. Again, assuming makes a BIG ASS out of you.

Edit: for reference, none of this is "changes". This has all been designed and intended from the very start, at the very least from when he was started (basically a year and a half ago now, now, I think)

 

[Animalistic]

Except for decapitation (a fatal blow) and magic are all useful against him, whilst conventional damage (stabbing non-vitals, bleeding out, etc) don't work but mechanically will work in-game due to balance, albeit they will do reduced damage.

I would think that in world where magic is commonplace that it would also fall under conventional means. So I thought you needed to do some really abstract stuff or something.

He doesn't "take pittance"; he doesn't pity you but respects your skill and ability, which is why he stops fighting. Again, assuming makes a BIG ASS out of you.

If you say so. To me that still sounds like when your older brother lets you beat him in a game. Which does kind of lessen the joy of fighting him (if we have to). But that is how I view victory. But as you said context matters.

Edit: Where can I find the doc?

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

I'm glad. Got a little worried there. I do look like an idiot now but I'm happy to have been wrong and just got misinformation.

decapitation will kill him

Every doc on the mercenaries except their ORIGINAL PITCH document are available.

I'd like to apologize for believing misinformation with no proof and continuing on without being able to verify it. That is a serious mistake on my part and I'm sorry. You're probably stressed and overworked enough without having to come and deal with misinterpreted information getting spread around and I'm sorry for being a cause of that.

 

[Animalistic]

So where is that doc? Can anyone post it?