Your gripes with CoC II

[WolframL]

Nareva is Snek Mommy, Tira is already described in-game as looking human. Based on some things Savin has said, her chest is definitely not on the smol side.




And he's liked fanart of her following those descriptions, here's one example:

That image isn't canon but it's something in the right vicinity, until and unless Savin comms some official art for her.

 

[Stzk619]

As far as I'm aware breasts tend to revert to their normal size after a while, I may be wrong though and actually it's rare for them to lose their new size.

The issue with Kiyoko is that whenever you spend the night with her, she gets pregnant once again (which is another reason I end up avoiding the orb), and her body doesn't get to go back as it used to be.

While there’s several factors that affect it, typically the body does return to the pre-pregnancy baseline eventually.
That said, there are exceptions; multiple pregnancies can leave their mark, and as you mentioned, Kiyoko repeatedly bearing children certainly would put a wrench into the equation for slimming back down. Combine that with the fact that this is a smut game, and it’s hardly a surprise.

 

[Off The Record]

If you start a certain race, but later take enough TFs to look like a different race, then your description begins, "You started your journey as a..." Drives me nuts. Truly peeves me. This is the reason I don't play characters that deviate too far from their starting race.

 

[Savin]

And he's liked fanart of her following those descriptions, here's one example:
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That image isn't canon but it's something in the right vicinity, until and unless Savin comms some official art for her.

Until Moira eventually finishes her own Tira bust, this is my (head)canon Tira look.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Are there plans to meet and have sex with Tira? I don't remember if I've seen her before.

 

[Acharehnus]

Trying to bang all seven of the gods, preferably with repeatable scenes.

Now that's a suitably heroic goal for a champion.

 

[morii]

I think there are 4 characters below C-cup, if I'm not mistaken. I'm surprised that there are more than two, to be honest. It's hard to tell with the bust art.

I feel like Tira should be slightly slimmer than that, being a goddess of death and such, but the muscles do look good and capture another facet of her divinity. I also feel like she wouldn't be well-liked as a goddess except in battle (in-game) But that's just me. A lot of cultures venerate their death god(ess) but ultimately don't want anything to do with them. Death can be a beautiful thing, but most societies try to keep it at bay.

 

[Kesil]

I think there are 4 characters below C-cup, if I'm not mistaken.

Yep, there are four (Jen, Atugia, Clementine and Lyla). Five if you count Carmen.

 

[Aury]

Yep, there are four (Jen, Atugia, Clementine and Lyla). Five if you count Carmen.

I think both Kohaku and Ambra are B's, but I may be wrong.

 

[Sacremas]

I feel like Tira should be slightly slimmer than that, being a goddess of death and such, but the muscles do look good and capture another facet of her divinity. I also feel like she wouldn't be well-liked as a goddess except in battle (in-game) But that's just me. A lot of cultures venerate their death god(ess) but ultimately don't want anything to do with them. Death can be a beautiful thing, but most societies try to keep it at bay.

As I understand it, Tira in this game is also a god of change, and is the "Kingmaker" as well as "Bane of Kings" in that through her hands the great battles that lead to great leaders coming to power happens, but it's also her hands that will lay said king or other leader down when their days are up. If she's as much a war goddess ala Athena (or Tyr/Odin) as she's a death goddess, that changes the impression of said goddess among the warrior types, who in turn tend to be the ruling class in societies like this and inform the serf classes. It also depends on how death is percieved, is it the cold hand that comes to rip you away, or is it the gentle guide to relieve you of your pains and lead you to your reward? The Valkyrie in Norse mythology was something warriors actively wanted to see, because while it meant they were dead, it also meant a beautiful angel was here to carry them off to the endless feasting of Valhalla. Osiris in Egypt was likewise a revered and highly respected god, with practically a richer story than the chief gods. So the perception of death being negative isn't really universal across ancient societies.

 

[Kesil]

I think both Kohaku and Ambra are B's, but I may be wrong.

I went by the info I gathered on this thread (feel free to resurrect it when needed, everyone!), but no one seemed to have Kohaku's and Ambra didn't exist by then. Thank you!

 

[morii]

As I understand it, Tira in this game is also a god of change, and is the "Kingmaker" as well as "Bane of Kings" in that through her hands the great battles that lead to great leaders coming to power happens, but it's also her hands that will lay said king or other leader down when their days are up. If she's as much a war goddess ala Athena (or Tyr/Odin) as she's a death goddess, that changes the impression of said goddess among the warrior types, who in turn tend to be the ruling class in societies like this and inform the serf classes. It also depends on how death is percieved, is it the cold hand that comes to rip you away, or is it the gentle guide to relieve you of your pains and lead you to your reward? The Valkyrie in Norse mythology was something warriors actively wanted to see, because while it meant they were dead, it also meant a beautiful angel was here to carry them off to the endless feasting of Valhalla. Osiris in Egypt was likewise a revered and highly respected god, with practically a richer story than the chief gods. So the perception of death being negative isn't really universal across ancient societies.

You are completely right. A lot of what I've seen and studied are cultures (past and present) that revere their psychopomps in various ways, but it purely depends on the society. My only gripe however is that I wish Tira wasn't just another big titty gf, I wanted her to stand out in some way because of what she represents. She looks good, just not my idea of a goddess representing those things.

 

[Sacremas]

You are completely right. A lot of what I've seen and studied are cultures (past and present) that revere their psychopomps in various ways, but it purely depends on the society. My only gripe however is that I wish Tira wasn't just another big titty gf, I wanted her to stand out in some way because of what she represents. She looks good, just not my idea of a goddess representing those things.

Agreed fully with that point, based on what she is and before seeing the stuff WolframL linked from the discord earlier, my thought of her was thin, but very athletic, the mildly skinny part with pale white skin where you got ribs almost partially showing is the death part, but the defined abs and arms and fierce gaze are the war part.

That said, could also just go with something more like good old Lady Death. That works also for that duality and giving you a sexy death goddess, but not towards getting that petite goddess desire fulfilled.

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[Tide Hunter]

Yep, there are four (Jen, Atugia, Clementine and Lyla). Five if you count Carmen.

Etheryn starts out as an A cup (though if it were real life, she'd probably be a B based on the art? Not sure though) too. And yeah, she can vary up to a much larger size, but it takes some effort to do that.
But still, yeah, very few characters.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Trying to bang all seven of the gods, preferably with repeatable scenes.

Now that's a suitably heroic goal for a champion.

They already made it possible to sex up Keros (in two forms!), Lumia, Mallach and possibly Nareva, I forget. If the harpies are any indication Sorra is probably a sex fiend too. And Velun? Not in game yet but you just know some people want to put their wood in wood. So Tira wouldn't surprise me at all.

My only gripe however is that I wish Tira wasn't just another big titty gf, I wanted her to stand out in some way because of what she represents.

Big titty GOTH gf. Let's keep it straight. Or gay. Or bi. No judgement.

 

[Kesil]

Etheryn starts out as an A cup (though if it were real life, she'd probably be a B based on the art? Not sure though) too.

Ditto for Kiyoko, but I didn't namecheck them because of how they can vary.

 

[Shadowcrow00]

I think it's been mentioned that we'll Read And Find Out more about the curse that turns Brint into Brienne later, but it does feel like a Corruption choice to me. If that's not intentional (which would be totally fair because it's CoC), I think letting it be reversible after the fact would make more sense for both story and gameplay.

As it stands, you give a hint to the player that they should see Brother Sanders, but it feels kinda metagamey from a Champion RP perspective. The champion would just think Brint is having weird dreams and no biggie. And then as Brienne, she just accepts it immediately. Instead, you could kind of have a debate with her exploring the pseudo trans-egg-dilemma she's having and then have her taken to be cured if Brint isn't into it. Maybe it could be your champions persuasiveness, maybe it could be intentional Brint character development (idk), maybe Brint could switch back and forth at will (that would please a ton of players), maybe it could be a corruption choice - but it would be deliberate and not meta.

 

[zagzig]

I think it's been mentioned that we'll Read And Find Out more about the curse that turns Brint into Brienne later, but it does feel like a Corruption choice to me. If that's not intentional (which would be totally fair because it's CoC), I think letting it be reversible after the fact would make more sense for both story and gameplay.

As it stands, you give a hint to the player that they should see Brother Sanders, but it feels kinda metagamey from a Champion RP perspective. The champion would just think Brint is having weird dreams and no biggie. And then as Brienne, she just accepts it immediately. Instead, you could kind of have a debate with her exploring the pseudo trans-egg-dilemma she's having and then have her taken to be cured if Brint isn't into it. Maybe it could be your champions persuasiveness, maybe it could be intentional Brint character development (idk), maybe Brint could switch back and forth at will (that would please a ton of players), maybe it could be a corruption choice - but it would be deliberate and not meta.

I agree that the Brint/Brienne process makes the champ seem neglectful at best (and also makes Brint hilariously too passive to visit the chapel by himself). If it were being rewritten (which I don't think it is), I reckon it would be better if the change between Brint and Brienne was instantaneous, and the choice relied on out-of-universe meta signposting to warn the player.

That being said, it is almost certainly too late in the process to make Brint/Brienne reversible. Everything written so far, including the 500+ page Brihaus expansion, is based on Brint/Brienne being different companions with differences in their relationships with champ and your other companions. Changing it now would be an enormous writing load.

And I'm confident Brienne's not going to be a corruption path, because people really like Brienne and it'd be a massive bummer if it came out this late in the process that making Brienne was evil.

 

[Tide Hunter]

And I'm confident Brienne's not going to be a corruption path, because people really like Brienne and it'd be a massive bummer if it came out this late in the process that making Brienne was evil.

I'm fairly certain I remember it being said that Brienne was going to get a corruption path (and a demonic transformation, though I'm unsure, but if that was the case, and it turned her into a futa dommy mommy, I'd suddenly no longer have any saves with Brint lol), which would definitely indicate that Brienne herself is not the corruption path.

 

[Animalistic]

I am curious to see what excuse the game will come up with when it comes to brainwashing off Brint into a domesticated housewife. It seems like a to much of a hurdle for a reasonable justification considering that the armor:
Altered his appearance, character, values, sexual orientation, family relation and so on and so on.

 

[YEsManKablaam]

I agree that the Brint/Brienne process makes the champ seem neglectful at best (and also makes Brint hilariously too passive to visit the chapel by himself). If it were being rewritten (which I don't think it is), I reckon it would be better if the change between Brint and Brienne was instantaneous, and the choice relied on out-of-universe meta signposting to warn the player.

That being said, it is almost certainly too late in the process to make Brint/Brienne reversible. Everything written so far, including the 500+ page Brihaus expansion, is based on Brint/Brienne being different companions with differences in their relationships with champ and your other companions. Changing it now would be an enormous writing load.

And I'm confident Brienne's not going to be a corruption path, because people really like Brienne and it'd be a massive bummer if it came out this late in the process that making Brienne was evil.

If it was instantaneous you would get complaints of changes to characters happening without the players consent the way i see it the red flags aren't as such there for the story part but for the "Hey don't come bitching to us we told you multiple times this will do something" and I think, though it's been quite a while, that there were a few things like that in CoC1 that could just sneak up on you.

So more a mini in game EULA than anything lol.

Even then I figure when this was first implemented people still complained about it not being spelled out enough.

 

[WolframL]

Wsan is fully aware that Brienne being Brint's corruption path would not be a good idea, which is why she isn't. Wsan has mentioned having ideas for Brint's corruption path but he hasn't given us any hints beyond that.

I'm fairly certain I remember it being said that Brienne was going to get a corruption path (and a demonic transformation, though I'm unsure,

You remember both correctly; she's going to have a corruption path and it involves demonification a la the existing dream.

 

[CasualAntlerEnjoyer]

And I'm confident Brienne's not going to be a corruption path, because people really like Brienne and it'd be a massive bummer if it came out this late in the process that making Brienne was evil.

Well....I'm almost certain we'll never get the game outright telling you Brienne is a corruption path for the reasons you've stated.

But at the same time, as you've said, the neglectfulness and apathy that's needed for the transformation to even take place after all the events and Brint raising his concerns multiple times should be ramping the Corruption meter up excessively, considering it's champs fault he is wearing that armor in the first place.

Throw in the option for the champ to force themselves on Brienne the moment the transformation that they've basically orchestrated themselves on her is done(at the high cost of a hefty 3 corruption), and that their personality itself seems to make a sudden inexplicable shift after the change, and congratulations, you've got a Corruption path in all but name.

The game might not tell them it, but yeah, their character is kind of morally repugnant at this point if you're not headcanoning the entire process away and doing something like pretending Brienne is some new companion unrelated to Brint, who must have ran off or died in a tragic gym accident offscreen.

 

[Animalistic]

The only way I can think of "justifying" what happened to Brint is to reveal that armor has "revealed his utmost, repressed desires." And I think no sane person would believe that. Or if they did, did they really need a justification to begin with...

 

[ForeverLurker]

Corruption gripes aside, but what if I just want my muscular cow trad wife? I honestly thought the dream demon version of brieanne was a possible corruption path.

 

[Animalistic]

We do still have Brienne.

 

[morii]

In my head I just assumed Brint wasn't too attached to his gender and sex to care completely. My only gripe is that the Mad Cow quest doesn't really go in-depth into the hows and whys of the armor, but I think the armor doesn't change what Brint or Brienne fundamentally is: a strong minotaur who keeps a level head on the battlefield. Even though Brienne is more submissive, her stats don't really change. She's still a formidable warrior and statistically stronger than even the strongest of champions (which could change in the future, but her stats are damn high.) Maybe I wished there was more variation in how they act during sex scenes, like Brienne trying a domme role, or Brint submitting to a vag champ. That would be pretty nice I have to admit.

 

[Animalistic]

If Brint was anything like Brienne, he would instantly become one of my favorites characters in the game: an 8 and half foot tall minotaur with big dick that is obsessed with you, is submissive and is monogamous to boot? Sign me up. It would also make Brienne better by extension since we would not have this conversation to begin with.
Unfortunately, he is not.

 

[wery12345]

I am curious to see what excuse the game will come up with when it comes to brainwashing off Brint into a domesticated housewife. It seems like a to much of a hurdle for a reasonable justification considering that the armor:
Altered his appearance, character, values, sexual orientation, family relation and so on and so on.

Well for one thing, cry about it and two, its a cursed armour, so its a curse.

 

[Ria Brew]

I swear the takes in this thread get more and more wild every time I look