Your gripes with CoC II

[Animalistic]

Probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I almost feel like if the corruption parts should have been just left out of the game, considering player interest as well as what seems to be the interest of most of the writers. That's not to say I don't like it, rather the opposite, I just feel that if this was just a straight up champion story with a more traditional heroic fantasy story but with a lot of naughty stuff (Kas romance etc included) added, in more than a few ways this would have been a better game. Those wanting corruption elements wouldn't have been left hanging and looking at those stumped corrupt quest solutions, and writers could focus on what they most wanted to, and not have to devote time to elements only a minority seem to care about, and not have to devote time to "what if the Centaur village/Hornet Hive is still corrupt" etc when writing future content, and instead just focused on expanding what's there already, with the assumption it's always going to be saved/purified, and just let the player instead do as with the Wayfort, decide how much they want to slut up locations rather than "corrupt" them.

I kinda hope the next game by the theme once we get to the end of COC2's dev will go that route, just as well. Maybe even break from "COC" juast as well while at it for a new IP, since as it is the connections are tenous at best and only expressed by Kas and Aileh really. I'd still be here for it regardless, as I like the rest of the game and what the team has done with it, quite a lot at that, I just feel those elements feel like a bit of a miss, for now at least.

Next game is a next game, but let's not excuse CoC2 incompetentce at providing the corrupt champs with adequate content and rewards for the seeming unpopularity. And while we could use other, more popular games as an example for why doing evil-leaning content is unadvised (although frankly there is more to that discussion then what stats present...),this is a porn game and porn game audience have diverse set of fetishes that are perfect for corrupt champ.
Rape, mind break, enslavement, slavery, infidelity, cheating, moral degradation and all that fun stuff. Hell, dedicking a futa is pretty popular request that seems tailor made for a champ that likes to impose their will onto others.

Or let's look at Hive for example -- well, Corrupt Azzy and Liaden are already there, and they both are more than willing to serve the champ. I think a lot of people would be more than happy if they got expanded on with more scenes, and maybe even pregnancy content that they both tease. Or make the champ honorable King/Queen of the hive and see where you go from there.

Or maybe just have content that can be only be accessed by the corrupt champ.
Moral corruption of pure-virginal paladin (male).
Let us fuck someones loved one behind their back.
Or let us become true King/Queen of the elves while we use Ryn as a figure head.

I just don't like giving the game a free pass when, frankly, it has never tried. CoC is remembered for a lot of its corrupt content (amoung many things), and I think it would do the sequel plenty of good if it embraced it's prior legacy.

 

[Shrike675]

Poor wsan.

What zag meant was; if Rina is boning champ, does champ have dick, otherwise is purefem champ being dommed by Rina or doing the domming?

 

[SmithEK]

Oh I see thanks. I was excited about a futa mino then.

 

[CasualAntlerEnjoyer]

I remember saying a while back, but I feel like the next game after CoC2 will probably be to CoC what Sekiro was for Dark Souls. Whole different ip with many of the customization and variables for the player removed to focus on a more specific narrative experience, where the writers can actually have a defined player character to work with rather than a blob.

A reasonable predication, they're honestly just missing the IP change for that to be effectively the case as it is. The biggest challenge would be finding a name as blessed as CoC or TiTs

Can't go all in on corruption or being a pure ball of holy whoop ass and smite evil(when it's needed), your PC acts entirely how the narrative of the plot bubble you're in dictates they should leading to high corrupt champs often being too soft and low corrupt champs seeming apathetic, neglectful and downright cruel at times, and that in turn means your PC generally has a more defined personality in most scenes regardless of if they're Champ or Dark Knight(or bimbo).

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I was honestly prepared to drop a full rant on the topic, but I've decided against it for now. At the very least I can wait to post that till it's not going to pinged directly to someone as a reply, no one wants a random text wall appearing on their doorstep uninvited. Plus to be true I'm a wee bit too tired today to really get into it with anyone, and big text walls invite adversity no matter how they're worded.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Variables.

Just off the top of my head,
-Brint/Brienne
--Romantic/Platonic
---Has Kids Yes/No
-Rina Romantic/Platonic
--Champ Has Dick Yes/No
-Cassia Romantic/Platonic
-if Brienne, Family Matters Yes/No
--Rina Family Matters Yes/No
---If Rina Family Matters Has Dick, Regular/Lesdomme
--Cassia Family Matters Yes/No

Damn. I see.

I wouldn't suggest anyone try writing a quest with so many variables unless the game they're writing for is the next Mass Effect or Dragon Age. All this seems like too many variables for porn.

Probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I almost feel like if the corruption parts should have been just left out of the game, considering player interest as well as what seems to be the interest of most of the writers. That's not to say I don't like it, rather the opposite, I just feel that if this was just a straight up champion story with a more traditional heroic fantasy story but with a lot of naughty stuff (Kas romance etc included) added, in more than a few ways this would have been a better game. Those wanting corruption elements wouldn't have been left hanging and looking at those stumped corrupt quest solutions, and writers could focus on what they most wanted to, and not have to devote time to elements only a minority seem to care about, and not have to devote time to "what if the Centaur village/Hornet Hive is still corrupt" etc when writing future content, and instead just focused on expanding what's there already, with the assumption it's always going to be saved/purified, and just let the player instead do as with the Wayfort, decide how much they want to slut up locations rather than "corrupt" them.

This feels like a point where the first game accidentally screwed over this one by making it so Corruption content was expected even though almost nobody working on this game actually wants or is even willing to do it. Even sex with Kasyrra only results in an amount of Corruption that you can burn off with a visit to the Cloister.

I kinda hope the next game by the theme once we get to the end of COC2's dev will go that route, just as well. Maybe even break from "COC" juast as well while at it for a new IP, since as it is the connections are tenous at best and only expressed by Kas and Aileh really. I'd still be here for it regardless, as I like the rest of the game and what the team has done with it, quite a lot at that, I just feel those elements feel like a bit of a miss, for now at least.

They'll probably do that. I mean this isn't exactly Star Wars or Game of Thrones. Not like there's a massive fanbase wishing for tightly integrated sequels full of callbacks and continuity.

Partially what drew me to this game was the corruption aspect (among other things) and it doesn't seem like the writers want anything to do with it. I mentioned before that I really enjoyed Renegade in Mass Effect, and in SW:TOR it shows that being a villain can be just as fulfilling as being a hero, if not more fulfilling than being a jedi or republic soldier.

Yeah even a lot of Paragon players like to pick some of the funnier Renegade interrupts or persuasion options. "Hey, everyone! This store discriminates against the poor!" LOL

Here it's like the writers have zero interest in making an interesting path for DK champions, and all I can think of is, why even bother to put it in the game if it just leads to a dead end? I'm genuinely curious as to what the deal is with that. I want to do the corrupting, not handing it over to someone else. If that's not going to happen, then why bother making a corrupted path in the first place? I'm confused about that.

I'm not sure, but it reminds me of Anton Chekhov's famous quote that gave rise to the term "Chekhov's Gun": "If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it's not going to be fired, it shouldn't be hanging there." In this case, maybe they shouldn't have put in the Corruption content unless there are much greater plans for Dark Knight players down the line.

Next game is a next game, but let's not excuse CoC2 incompetentce at providing the corrupt champs with adequate content and rewards for the seeming unpopularity. And while we could use other, more popular games as an example for why doing evil-leaning content is unadvised (although frankly there is more to that discussion then what stats present...),this is a porn game and porn game audience have diverse set of fetishes that are perfect for corrupt champ.
Rape, mind break, enslavement, slavery, infidelity, cheating, moral degradation and all that fun stuff. Hell, dedicking a futa is pretty popular request that seems tailor made for a champ that likes to impose their will onto others.

There is dedicking futa content in the game right now, but it's not corrupt since the dick was forced upon her. True Corruption content might be more in the veins of CBT.

Or let's look at Hive for example -- well, Corrupt Azzy and Liaden are already there, and they both are more than willing to serve the champ. I think a lot of people would be more than happy if they got expanded on with more scenes, and maybe even pregnancy content that they both tease. Or make the champ honorable King/Queen of the hive and see where you go from there.

Wouldn't Queen Nyzerrah have to die for Champ to take control of the Hive? Or another Hive have to be built elsewhere?

Or maybe just have content that can be only be accessed by the corrupt champ.
Moral corruption of pure-virginal paladin (male).
Let us fuck someones loved one behind their back.
Or let us become true King/Queen of the elves while we use Ryn as a figure head.

Funnily enough, I wouldn't be surprised if that last one became the subject of a quest or rumours floating around the Winter City or something given Ryn's initial low confidence. Maybe Alissa has loyalists somewhere and Ryn has to deal with them at some point.

I just don't like giving the game a free pass when, frankly, it has never tried. CoC is remembered for a lot of its corrupt content (amoung many things), and I think it would do the sequel plenty of good if it embraced it's prior legacy.

I dunno, definitely seems like they're not too pushed about honouring the first game beyond some continuity nods. They might reference a character or two (I mean Aileh is like a combo of Helia, Kiho and to a lesser extent Ember and this game's version of Raphael is a thumb in the eye to the original) but besides that, this game is its own thing.

 

[Sacremas]

This is going to be a stupid and petty gripe that everyone is free to just utterly ignore;

I hate that all companions and most important NPCs in the game are by default stronger than the Champion in terms of ability scores and the like. Let's start as a Wyld Elf White Mage, +3 to initial Willpower, great! Except Cait has the same Willpower, as well as +1 to her Toughness and Presence and a +2 to her Agility. You meet Brint, he has higher strength than it is possible for the player to ever get (and numerous abilities like Frenzy likewise always unavailable, when you'd think Lupines and Orcs should be able to go as batshit crazy as some cow seeing red). And this repeats for every single companion basically, including temporary ones like El and Hethia, and don't get me STARTED on Calise and some other characters.

I know, I know; it gets evened out by equipment, as while their initial starting gear is much better than the good old Comfortable Clothes that stop being the case pretty fast, and the Champion's ability to learn a stupid amount of powers and customize per encounter likely more than evens it out. And completely non-player characters shouldn't matter, they are only as strong as the scenario requires them to be, anyone who's ever DMed D&D would know that!

But damnit if that initial inequality just hurts my inner power fantasy gamer heart in ways I have issues describing...

Now excuse me while export this new save and fix those issues in the save editor... Which has the sideways consequence of me never even giving a shit about combat in this game and just leaving it on Story mode for most of the time, making my initial gripe completely pointless beyond the "looking at stats" part basically. But that's another matter entirely.

 

[Kingu2]

This feels like a point where the first game accidentally screwed over this one by making it so Corruption content was expected even though almost nobody working on this game actually wants or is even willing to do it. Even sex with Kasyrra only results in an amount of Corruption that you can burn off with a visit to the Cloister.

It's not really right to say that a game screwed over it's sequal by being what it is. Rather if you take on an IP your taking on all of the expectations that were set by it, If they aren't ready and willing to do that it begs the question as to why they took it on in the first place. If they wanted to make their own thing why not just do that instead of trying to overwrite an existing IP.

This is going to be a stupid and petty gripe that everyone is free to just utterly ignore;

I hate that all companions and most important NPCs in the game are by default stronger than the Champion in terms of ability scores and the like. Let's start as a Wyld Elf White Mage, +3 to initial Willpower, great! Except Cait has the same Willpower, as well as +1 to her Toughness and Presence and a +2 to her Agility. You meet Brint, he has higher strength than it is possible for the player to ever get (and numerous abilities like Frenzy likewise always unavailable, when you'd think Lupines and Orcs should be able to go as batshit crazy as some cow seeing red). And this repeats for every single companion basically, including temporary ones like El and Hethia, and don't get me STARTED on Calise and some other characters.

I know, I know; it gets evened out by equipment, as while their initial starting gear is much better than the good old Comfortable Clothes that stop being the case pretty fast, and the Champion's ability to learn a stupid amount of powers and customize per encounter likely more than evens it out. And completely non-player characters shouldn't matter, they are only as strong as the scenario requires them to be, anyone who's ever DMed D&D would know that!

But damnit if that initial inequality just hurts my inner power fantasy gamer heart in ways I have issues describing...

Now excuse me while export this new save and fix those issues in the save editor... Which has the sideways consequence of me never even giving a shit about combat in this game and just leaving it on Story mode for most of the time, making my initial gripe completely pointless beyond the "looking at stats" part basically. But that's another matter entirely.

really not bothered by this given how bad their AI is and especially after I've figured out how to solo most of the game. The game does a fairly decent job in displaying how much more capable the pc is compared to everyone else around them and I think companions benfitting from pc's leadership really reflects how great of a leader they are. I personally find the combat to be interesting enough to keep me engaged as well as test and prod every facet of it. It's certainly much better than CoC1 or TiTS where you can get by by mashing the attack button and healing every so often.

 

[CasualAntlerEnjoyer]

So for the rest of the fight, she's going to hit like a truck and shrug off damage like one too. On the other hand, Unbreakable is 3 rounds of living at 1 HP... so useless on our tanky warrior unless you have them running around naked and you also forgot to bring a healer.

Yes, but Unbreakable is more precious because you could survive a space station falling on you from orbit and still survive with 1 HP assuming the planet is still there.

 

[redlightnin55]

On the subject of ults, I really feel like most of them suck. Like they just aren't good in practice even if in theory they should be. Except for Inspiration and to a bit lesser an extent, Revive.

For example, by the time I'd usually use Unbreakable, there's almost never enough healing to actually come back from 1 health unless I had both other party members spam heals if they were even alive themselves.

Assassinate I've never understood... I'm not sure how attack power is actually used in this game, but almost every time I've ever used it, even with the supposedly great weapons (like Galon's Griefmaker) it seems to only increase my damage output by like 50-70 points of inflicted damage. Which is barely more than using that one skill that gives you an extra 200 (IIRC) attack power on hit, and roughly the same as the damage done by the Influence power you can learn from Zo. And Influence is an encounter power, not even an ult.

As for the others I know of, I'd say they're honestly too niche. It's hard for me to ever think of a use for them.

Maybe I've missed something but they just don't seem good.

 

[Resawar]

As for the others I know of, I'd say they're honestly too niche. It's hard for me to ever think of a use for them.

May I recommend my post on Banishment right here?

 

[dirt_code]

@redlightnin55
Attack power is a percentage increase to your weapon's base damage. For example, if your base damage was 50, then an attack power of 80 will increase your damage by 40 for a total of 90 damage (50 + 0.8 * 50 = 90). Assassinate's +500 attack power increases your weapon damage by 500% so that 50 base damage will now do 300 damage. I'd imagine the reason Influence or Dastardly Trick are doing comparable damage is because they can crit and ultimates can not.

 

[Revenant]

One gripe I have is that small chested npc don't tend to stay that way (now I'm aware there are some that are and stay that way, but in the end small chests are kinda rare), specially if there is pregnancy involved, for example Kiyoko starts pretty flat but if you want to actually have a relationship with her that bust size will end up on the other end of the alphabet, whis is one of the reasons I decide to ignore her content (another one being Kinu and how that develops) Rindo bust size too ends up getting bigger, so I decide to not have a baby with her, all I hope is that future npc don't end up getting their cup size altered permanently whenever there is pregnancy happening.

Another small gripe I have is that I can't choose to use some busts for characters even though the difference in the appearance is minimal, like with Aileh, now don't get me wrong, I love Moira's art, but in this case I prefer Akira-Raikou's better and the fact that I can't use it just because Aileh is lactating drives me kinda mad.

 

[ForeverLurker]

One gripe I have is that small chested npc don't tend to stay that way (now I'm aware there are some that are and stay that way, but in the end small chests are kinda rare), specially if there is pregnancy involved, for example Kiyoko starts pretty flat but if you want to actually have a relationship with her that bust size will end up on the other end of the alphabet, whis is one of the reasons I decide to ignore her content (another one being Kinu and how that develops) Rindo bust size too ends up getting bigger, so I decide to not have a baby with her, all I hope is that future npc don't end up getting their cup size altered permanently whenever there is pregnancy happening.

Another small gripe I have is that I can't choose to use some busts for characters even though the difference in the appearance is minimal, like with Aileh, now don't get me wrong, I love Moira's art, but in this case I prefer Akira-Raikou's better and the fact that I can't use it just because Aileh is lactating drives me kinda mad.

This is a problem I have in porn in general I have a diverse taste in body types so I like more of that

"All tits are equal!!!"

 

[WolframL]

Another small gripe I have is that I can't choose to use some busts for characters even though the difference in the appearance is minimal, like with Aileh, now don't get me wrong, I love Moira's art, but in this case I prefer Akira-Raikou's better and the fact that I can't use it just because Aileh is lactating drives me kinda mad.

Technically you can on the download version... by going into the art folder and playing around with the images to do something like make a copy of aileh_nude.AkiraRaikou.0.png (the one you prefer) and renaming it aileh_nude_milk.Moira.0.png (and removing the original) which will cause the game to call up the same image whenever it looks for her milky art. It's not very convenient because you have to remember to do it with every patch, but it's doable.

 

[wery12345]

I'm a demoflat at heart so it saddens me that there isn't a single goddess in the seven with a small/modest chest and thick thighs for me to worship. The only goddess without a design yet is Tira so I'm holding out some hope that she'll be the one.

Wrong, people have made art of her, but none are offical...I think...

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Honestly it would be more unrealistic if Kiyoko didn't get bigger and milkier as she had more kids. My biggest gripe is that it takes so long to get her to the point of maximum thiccness. Even if I sleep with her every night that's a minimum of like a 150 days give or take.

 

[CasualAntlerEnjoyer]

Wrong, people have made art of her, but none are offical...I think...

So there's an official design for her because people have made.... unofficial art

I don't quite think that's how that works. I suppose the dev team could of responded to an image with a 'yep that's pretty much exactly how she looks canonically'.

 

[Resawar]

official design

It's in the files under "sorra.Moira.0"


Edit: Fuck I am dumb

Edit 2: To try to save a little bit of something my best guess would be that Tira will look like the Raven queen/Morrigan, Savin seem to really like her as a death god so I would assume Tira will look Something like her.

 

[CasualAntlerEnjoyer]

Fuck I am dumb

And you shall be punished for it. How do you wish to die?

 

[cloer]

 

[Resawar]

How do you wish to die

I'll be honest I can't think of anything that would be funny other then "gored by antlers" to reply to you with.

 

[CasualAntlerEnjoyer]

I'll be honest I can't think of anything that would be funny other then "gored by antlers" to reply to you with.

A more than acceptable answer.

Luckily for you though, I've just been informed I'm not actually allowed to resort to execution for any manner of transgression or misdeed. And also repeatedly called a murderhobo.

Fates worse than death are still on the table though, so we do have options.

 

[ForeverLurker]

A more than acceptable answer.

Luckily for you though, I've just been informed I'm not actually allowed to resort to execution for any manner of transgression or misdeed. And also repeatedly called a murderhobo.

Fates worse than death are still on the table though, so we do have options.

fates worse then death eh? I sentence them to a 24 hour marathon of jay jay the jet plane!

 

[Revenant]

Honestly it would be more unrealistic if Kiyoko didn't get bigger and milkier as she had more kids.

As far as I'm aware breasts tend to revert to their normal size after a while, I may be wrong though and actually it's rare for them to lose their new size.

The issue with Kiyoko is that whenever you spend the night with her, she gets pregnant once again (which is another reason I end up avoiding the orb), and her body doesn't get to go back as it used to be.

 

[Resawar]

jay jay the jet plane

A children's plane show? Sir let me recommend my favorite movie's trailer.


Anyway to get back to griping, some powers from the kitsune den would be better off in early game with how weak they are and I'm talking about tomb powers. Lets take heat weapon for example, 10 + spell power damage for a one turn disarm is bafflingly bad at level 5 which is about the level you do the kitsune den. I can give some slack for mirror stance gained powers that are really only useful on enemy's who don't have limited power slots, but lets also take fire bolt a mirror stance gained power that deals 30 + spell power damage on an at will vs heat weapons 10 + spell power and a one turn disarm for a two turn recharge and a recharge power slot, so your telling me that a one turn disarm is worth 20 damage and using up one of your limited recharge slots for?

Edit: Looking around more heat weapon seems less bad then I though but it still hits my point on limited recharge slots for not being worth using it, same can be said of other disarms looking weak but I'm open to seeing some one prove there usefulness to me.

 

[Shrike675]

Honestly it would be more unrealistic if Kiyoko didn't get bigger and milkier as she had more kids. My biggest gripe is that it takes so long to get her to the point of maximum thiccness. Even if I sleep with her every night that's a minimum of like a 150 days give or take.

To be fair, Tobs did it the way it is because he thought people would gradually get her to 9 tails over the course of the game. Not all at once.

 

[Orzo Savo]

Gotta get that shock and awe factor with Keros when he gets your family out of the orb and there's 32+ kits coming lol

 

[MarcoPolo121]

To be fair, Tobs did it the way it is because he thought people would gradually get her to 9 tails over the course of the game. Not all at once.

Well the game as is doesn't have enough content for that much time and even if it did you'd have to miss out on all the stuff Kiyoko can interject or comment on in order to space it out. One of the worst things a game can do to me is make me feel like my time is being wasted and grinding up to 32 baby foxes is a prime example of such.

 

[CasualAntlerEnjoyer]

fates worse then death eh? I sentence them to a 24 hour marathon of jay jay the jet plane!

Now now, there's still such a thing as going too far.

Gotta get that shock and awe factor with Keros when he gets your family out of the orb and there's 32+ kits coming lol

And then he gets you right back with that little prank where he robs you of a decade with your family. It's all fun and games over in the floof den.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

do any of them look like this?
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the goddess of death needs an ass that can suffocate someone

but really please share the art if you can, would love to see it

Not enough scales.

Maybe she should be drawn more like the Vipers from X-Com. People certainly go in for Snek ladies these days.