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Your gripes with CoC II
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You are completely right. A lot of what I've seen and studied are cultures (past and present) that revere their psychopomps in various ways, but it purely depends on the society. My only gripe however is that I wish Tira wasn't just another big titty gf, I wanted her to stand out in some way because of what she represents. She looks good, just not my idea of a goddess representing those things.
Agreed fully with that point, based on what she is and before seeing the stuff WolframL linked from the discord earlier, my thought of her was thin, but very athletic, the mildly skinny part with pale white skin where you got ribs almost partially showing is the death part, but the defined abs and arms and fierce gaze are the war part.
That said, could also just go with something more like good old Lady Death. That works also for that duality and giving you a sexy death goddess, but not towards getting that petite goddess desire fulfilled.
Etheryn starts out as an A cup (though if it were real life, she'd probably be a B based on the art? Not sure though) too. And yeah, she can vary up to a much larger size, but it takes some effort to do that.
But still, yeah, very few characters.
They already made it possible to sex up Keros (in two forms!), Lumia, Mallach and possibly Nareva, I forget. If the harpies are any indication Sorra is probably a sex fiend too. And Velun? Not in game yet but you just know some people want to put their wood in wood. So Tira wouldn't surprise me at all.
Big titty GOTH gf. Let's keep it straight. Or gay. Or bi. No judgement.
Ditto for Kiyoko, but I didn't namecheck them because of how they can vary.
I think it's been mentioned that we'll Read And Find Out more about the curse that turns Brint into Brienne later, but it does feel like a Corruption choice to me. If that's not intentional (which would be totally fair because it's CoC), I think letting it be reversible after the fact would make more sense for both story and gameplay.
As it stands, you give a hint to the player that they should see Brother Sanders, but it feels kinda metagamey from a Champion RP perspective. The champion would just think Brint is having weird dreams and no biggie. And then as Brienne, she just accepts it immediately. Instead, you could kind of have a debate with her exploring the pseudo trans-egg-dilemma she's having and then have her taken to be cured if Brint isn't into it. Maybe it could be your champions persuasiveness, maybe it could be intentional Brint character development (idk), maybe Brint could switch back and forth at will (that would please a ton of players), maybe it could be a corruption choice - but it would be deliberate and not meta.
As it stands, you give a hint to the player that they should see Brother Sanders, but it feels kinda metagamey from a Champion RP perspective. The champion would just think Brint is having weird dreams and no biggie. And then as Brienne, she just accepts it immediately. Instead, you could kind of have a debate with her exploring the pseudo trans-egg-dilemma she's having and then have her taken to be cured if Brint isn't into it. Maybe it could be your champions persuasiveness, maybe it could be intentional Brint character development (idk), maybe Brint could switch back and forth at will (that would please a ton of players), maybe it could be a corruption choice - but it would be deliberate and not meta.
I agree that the Brint/Brienne process makes the champ seem neglectful at best (and also makes Brint hilariously too passive to visit the chapel by himself). If it were being rewritten (which I don't think it is), I reckon it would be better if the change between Brint and Brienne was instantaneous, and the choice relied on out-of-universe meta signposting to warn the player.
That being said, it is almost certainly too late in the process to make Brint/Brienne reversible. Everything written so far, including the 500+ page Brihaus expansion, is based on Brint/Brienne being different companions with differences in their relationships with champ and your other companions. Changing it now would be an enormous writing load.
And I'm confident Brienne's not going to be a corruption path, because people really like Brienne and it'd be a massive bummer if it came out this late in the process that making Brienne was evil.
I'm fairly certain I remember it being said that Brienne was going to get a corruption path (and a demonic transformation, though I'm unsure, but if that was the case, and it turned her into a futa dommy mommy, I'd suddenly no longer have any saves with Brint lol), which would definitely indicate that Brienne herself is not the corruption path.
I am curious to see what excuse the game will come up with when it comes to brainwashing off Brint into a domesticated housewife. It seems like a to much of a hurdle for a reasonable justification considering that the armor:
Altered his appearance, character, values, sexual orientation, family relation and so on and so on.
Altered his appearance, character, values, sexual orientation, family relation and so on and so on.
If it was instantaneous you would get complaints of changes to characters happening without the players consent the way i see it the red flags aren't as such there for the story part but for the "Hey don't come bitching to us we told you multiple times this will do something" and I think, though it's been quite a while, that there were a few things like that in CoC1 that could just sneak up on you.
So more a mini in game EULA than anything lol.
Even then I figure when this was first implemented people still complained about it not being spelled out enough.
Wsan is fully aware that Brienne being Brint's corruption path would not be a good idea, which is why she isn't. Wsan has mentioned having ideas for Brint's corruption path but he hasn't given us any hints beyond that.
You remember both correctly; she's going to have a corruption path and it involves demonification a la the existing dream.
CasualAntlerEnjoyer
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Well....I'm almost certain we'll never get the game outright telling you Brienne is a corruption path for the reasons you've stated.
But at the same time, as you've said, the neglectfulness and apathy that's needed for the transformation to even take place after all the events and Brint raising his concerns multiple times should be ramping the Corruption meter up excessively, considering it's champs fault he is wearing that armor in the first place.
Throw in the option for the champ to force themselves on Brienne the moment the transformation that they've basically orchestrated themselves on her is done(at the high cost of a hefty 3 corruption), and that their personality itself seems to make a sudden inexplicable shift after the change, and congratulations, you've got a Corruption path in all but name.
The game might not tell them it, but yeah, their character is kind of morally repugnant at this point if you're not headcanoning the entire process away and doing something like pretending Brienne is some new companion unrelated to Brint, who must have ran off or died in a tragic gym accident offscreen.
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The only way I can think of "justifying" what happened to Brint is to reveal that armor has "revealed his utmost, repressed desires." And I think no sane person would believe that. Or if they did, did they really need a justification to begin with...
Corruption gripes aside, but what if I just want my muscular cow trad wife? I honestly thought the dream demon version of brieanne was a possible corruption path.
In my head I just assumed Brint wasn't too attached to his gender and sex to care completely. My only gripe is that the Mad Cow quest doesn't really go in-depth into the hows and whys of the armor, but I think the armor doesn't change what Brint or Brienne fundamentally is: a strong minotaur who keeps a level head on the battlefield. Even though Brienne is more submissive, her stats don't really change. She's still a formidable warrior and statistically stronger than even the strongest of champions (which could change in the future, but her stats are damn high.) Maybe I wished there was more variation in how they act during sex scenes, like Brienne trying a domme role, or Brint submitting to a vag champ. That would be pretty nice I have to admit.
If Brint was anything like Brienne, he would instantly become one of my favorites characters in the game: an 8 and half foot tall minotaur with big dick that is obsessed with you, is submissive and is monogamous to boot? Sign me up. It would also make Brienne better by extension since we would not have this conversation to begin with.
Unfortunately, he is not.
Unfortunately, he is not.
Well for one thing, cry about it and two, its a cursed armour, so its a curse.
I swear the takes in this thread get more and more wild every time I look
I feel like this has been talked about quite a bit, just from a quick search Bri, Quin, Azzy and Liaden, and Berwyn are topics that have popped up for a while.
It's the gripes thread, people air their grievances here and critique the game. It's to gripe. Also, curses just make it sound way worse -- so Brint was cursed and we just stood by doing nothing hoping it would make him a woman? He needed our help to get the armor off because it was already taking root?
I justify it by saying, well, there's metagaming involved and my champion is a drifter kind of character, so it makes sense for her. But I don't think the game explains it all too well.
It's valid to have some ruffled feathers if you want Brint to be more submissive as a man. Let people critique how they want to critique and ask for content that they want to see in the game.
It's the gripes thread, people air their grievances here and critique the game. It's to gripe. Also, curses just make it sound way worse -- so Brint was cursed and we just stood by doing nothing hoping it would make him a woman? He needed our help to get the armor off because it was already taking root?
I justify it by saying, well, there's metagaming involved and my champion is a drifter kind of character, so it makes sense for her. But I don't think the game explains it all too well.
It's valid to have some ruffled feathers if you want Brint to be more submissive as a man. Let people critique how they want to critique and ask for content that they want to see in the game.
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There are failsafes in the game to make sure that you never accidentally turn Brint into Brienne, namely never progressing past a certain point in the transformation until you exit and then re-enter the Frosthound I believe but that's a game contrivance, given the time between stages it should be possible for you to end up with Brienne simply by taking too long in Harvest Valley.
As it is, in order to end up with Brienne without Champ coming off as neglectful or dumb in game, I have to contrive a series of events which consists of arriving back in front of the Frosthound right as Atugia shows up and I believe it also skips some time, which helps with making sure it's too late at night to see Sanders. Helping Ahmri, Zo, and the farm also helps. Atugia's intro in front of the Frosthound brings you inside without Garth mentioning Garret, and then upon waking up results in Garth immediately starting Dog Days, which considering he's your benefactor asking you to save his son, it'd be really fucked of you to put off.
That's an intricate series of events though, and the time on the armor is long so you really do need every single one of them to blow off the what, 10 days? of the armor's time. But that's just in world, in game I don't even remember if you also have to sleep on top of exiting and entering the Frosthound on top of the time, you really cannot end up with her by accident which is a good thing so good on the devs for that.
As it is, in order to end up with Brienne without Champ coming off as neglectful or dumb in game, I have to contrive a series of events which consists of arriving back in front of the Frosthound right as Atugia shows up and I believe it also skips some time, which helps with making sure it's too late at night to see Sanders. Helping Ahmri, Zo, and the farm also helps. Atugia's intro in front of the Frosthound brings you inside without Garth mentioning Garret, and then upon waking up results in Garth immediately starting Dog Days, which considering he's your benefactor asking you to save his son, it'd be really fucked of you to put off.
That's an intricate series of events though, and the time on the armor is long so you really do need every single one of them to blow off the what, 10 days? of the armor's time. But that's just in world, in game I don't even remember if you also have to sleep on top of exiting and entering the Frosthound on top of the time, you really cannot end up with her by accident which is a good thing so good on the devs for that.
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CasualAntlerEnjoyer
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I think you're mistaken.
This is clearly the grapes thread you blind fool. We come here to talk about fruit. Why on god's green earth would we even need a gripes thread?
Criticisms? Critique? How dare you people have opinions.
If complaining is the mark of someone who is about to cry, do you wish to talk about it? Because I've seen you post all of a single time since I've been here that's not just been you flying out of the woodwork to complain about someone.
And I'll give Animalistic this, at least when they do it there's genuinely some sort of point behind what they're saying, something that actually validates them participating in the discussion. Just telling people to mindlessly consume is asinine and leads to the stagnation of ideas and progress, and goes against the very point of this thread in the first place.
But hey, you act like you've got room to talk down to people, live that best life.
Doesn't that sound slightly corrupt? A curse that takes an innocent man and twists him into something that he is not, all for a benefit of another individual? Seems like an evil curse to me.
So I am not here arguing if what champion did is evil, neglectful or nothing of sorts. What I am trying to convey is that I really can not think of a way for the game to put a positive spin on what happened to Brint. Sure, Brienne says that she is just as happy as a submissive house-wife as when she was this prime breeding-bull.
But how much of that is old him (now her) talking and how much of it is stepfords curse talking? On my end, as someone who fucked both, it seems very much in the ballpark of brainwashing.
It's been damn near 5 years, it's not even beating a dead horse anymore. Poor thing is more terrible than I can describe. I mean when the original creator came out and flat out told ya'll you're overthinking it, they just wanted a loophole to write a cowgirl. It ain't even disagreement nomore, both sides are just shouting at a wall believing whatever they want. You can have your theories that's fine but the back and forth ain't helping none, just wait it out you'll get your answers soon enough.
But, hell what do I know I'm just a giant spider with a keyboard, wondering why those blind fellas over there keep touching up on that elephant like that. Honestly, fuck it, if you ain't stop yet you ain't stopping now. So, here's to another 5 yrs ladies n gents.
But, hell what do I know I'm just a giant spider with a keyboard, wondering why those blind fellas over there keep touching up on that elephant like that. Honestly, fuck it, if you ain't stop yet you ain't stopping now. So, here's to another 5 yrs ladies n gents.
It's weird how many people assume we've all been here as long as them...or that we'd go back and catch up on years of discussion.
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It could of been a decade and I really wouldn't care to be honest, if it's a topic people feel strongly about they're going to bring it up now and again. This is a thread specifically for venting frustrations and giving critique, not everyone has been around the community for 5 years, and some of those that were clearly have not gotten a satisfying resolution to this topic, so I do not see the harm in it.
And to be honest, "You're over thinking it" is a bit of an ass-backwards response from the author with how extensively detailed this whole twisted little process is. Why did they even write all of this if I'm not supposed to read it?
I like Etheryn's old art better and I'm bummed that we can't change back to it with other characters' arts when she has a high confidence level. Etheryn's new art doesn't look believable to me, especially around the boots and her nude art. Her nude art looks like she's wearing chastity panties, not a chastity cage. Another reason why like her old art more, I especially like the boots as an added touch.
Yeah the panties are weird, I actually like the new art better overall, but the chastity panties seem like a bit of a misunderstanding at play there with the artist...
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