I'm not sure why the first assumption here would be it'd be forced on everyone. Still, a new character is the only likely way that'd happen.
It should too, it's really odd that you're potentially the only kitsune in existance interested in having more then one sex in this world....or just not conforming to gender norms.
It should too, it's really odd that you're potentially the only kitsune in existance interested in having more then one sex in this world....or just not conforming to gender norms.
I think that’s less a matter of desire and moreso the result of the fact that kitsune are apparently alchemically inert. Obviously, the player character is an exception due to their unique circumstances, but I don’t believe the typical kitsune has the option of simply switching their equipment should they feel like doing so.
'Twas a joke. I, personally, wouldn't like it, but sadly, I have been afflicted with the Fool's curse. I have to joke about everything until it backfires and eventually kills me.
I think that’s less a matter of desire and moreso the result of the fact that kitsune are apparently alchemically inert. Obviously, the player character is an exception due to their unique circumstances, but I don’t believe the typical kitsune has the option of simply switching their equipment should they feel like doing so.
Trying to unpack a race existing in a world filled with transformatives whose entire race has no interest in them is doing my head in. I can only assume it exists for a meta reason but I'm not sure what.
...it's one I tend to be tired of. Far too many times, it hides a "GUISE [x thing] AMIRITE?" trite joke or overwhelming consensus on how x thing should be like. But enough of my peeves
Trying to unpack a race existing in a world filled with transformatives whose entire race has no interest in them is doing my head in. I can only assume it exists for a meta reason but I'm not sure what.
It's more so on a biological and metaphysical level that their forms are rooted. Any transformations to them would be just a drop in a water. Whatever changes do happen are in-line with their nature, as seen with them taking on more beastial properties when under heightened emotions. It's not a disinterest for transformatives; it's simply because it doesn't work on them.
...it's one I tend to be tired of. Far too many times, it hides a "GUISE [x thing] AMIRITE?" trite joke or overwhelming consensus on how x thing should be like. But enough of my peeves
Trying to unpack a race existing in a world filled with transformatives whose entire race has no interest in them is doing my head in. I can only assume it exists for a meta reason but I'm not sure what.
Keros is my least favorite god out of the pantheon for that very reason. I would prefer if they weren't able to change their racial appearance but could still change their sex. Actually, I wonder: do transitioning or transitioned kitsune exist? Like if you're born with a penis and become more feminine later on? I know there are a few trans girls n TiTs but I think I haven't seen one in CoC2.
Keros is my least favorite god out of the pantheon for that very reason. I would prefer if they weren't able to change their racial appearance but could still change their sex. Actually, I wonder: do transitioning or transitioned kitsune exist? Like if you're born with a penis and become more feminine later on? I know there are a few trans girls n TiTs but I think I haven't seen one in CoC2.
It's a soulbind thing in general, rather than Keros specifically. Note that Lumia's valkyries are all genderlocked, including champ if they become one.
It's more so on a biological and metaphysical level that their forms are rooted. Any transformations to them would be just a drop in a water. Whatever changes do happen are in-line with their nature, as seen with them taking on more beastial properties when under heightened emotions. It's not a disinterest for transformatives; it's simply because it doesn't work on them.
I get the rules. I just don't get why those are the rules in this universe it seems really weird and even weirder that no one has any view on it.
A race of people perfectly content with the bodies genetics gives them is incredibly hard to understand free from the context they live in let alone with that context.
It's a soulbind thing in general, rather than Keros specifically. Note that Lumia's valkyries are all genderlocked, including champ if they become one.
Harder to understand on a lore level, or on a meta level? Lore-wise, transformations work with mutable souls. Some people with more mutable souls (non-soulbound champ and Viviane) tf really easily. Other people who's souls are less mutable, since their souls are bound to a larger collective like the kitsune oversoul or the valkyrie Aurora Strand, tf really hard or not at all.
As for why would they be content with this, most soulbinds are opt-in and kitsune are just really fatalistic I guess? "Nothing can be done" and all that. Savin has mentioned a character he plans/planned to write who got left on the backlog is a dickgirl kitsune who petitioned Keros directly for a gender change and got it, so possibly that's still possible in kitsune lore.
On a meta level, I imagine some combination of made sense with the established lore, and uniforms (or uniform appearances) give the impression of community and cohesion and look cool.
Keros isn't the progenitor of the kitsune, at least this Keros isn't he can't possibly be the reason and even assuming he was...how? The "gods" can't create life so how'd he do it? and if he didn't do it, who did and why?
But even if he were that still doesn't make them make sense as people with somewhat similar thoughts and needs to anyone else unless they're a hive mind as well?
It really only makes any sense in a meta writer sense but I don't see why, none of the involved writers have an issue writing characters with both sets or not conforming to normal gender roles as far as I can tell.
Keros isn't the progenitor of the kitsune, at least this Keros isn't he can't possibly be the reason and even assuming he was...how? The "gods" can't create life so how'd he do it? and if he didn't do it, who did and why?
The Keros we know may not have created the kitsune as they exist but something did, and Keros is bound by what people believed about the god whose form he assumed.
You don't need to be directly controlling people to influence them. Keros is the philosophical and spiritual head of a culture that is fatalistic and places boundaries on themselves, to minimise the risk of the energy vampires over-indulging and becoming monsters. It is a mystery who actually created the kitsune and their oversoul, and how Keros came to inherit that. But I do think it's clear 'Keros' didn't create the kitsune or their deal, since they existed prior to the Godswar and he... didn't.
Also, as I was reading it, the immutable nature of soulbinding isn't something Keros chose. It's just a fact of how soul magic and transformations work.
Well, if bedicked floof women are very rare, that's okay. I'm just wondering what's the reason there behind the scenes.
I also have some thoughts about femboys. If Old Country society is anything like premodern Japan, I'm surprised there are only generic encounter foxy femboys in-game. If kitsune can't change their gender with transformatives except by direct intervention from their god, or other means, I'd think some would assume their ideal role in society. A pretty, refined femboy who's job is to entertain or pursue the arts would be intriguing and true to life.
Femboys are also pretty popular (nowadays and also in premodern Japan, but not under that type of terminology), can still do what their station in life requires of them (nobles lived a very structured life and were to bear/sire children, though the working class had more leeway in gender expression) and appeal to men and women alike. Also, aren't kitsune generally pretty feminine?
I know that Olde Country society is very different from premodern Japanese society but there is definitely an influence there. So, what I'm saying is, a cute femboy kitsune would make a lot of sense.
If we're talking behind the scenes, I imagine the reason is "Tobs didn't want to write a dickgirl/femboy". There's nothing saying femboys don't exist in the culture at least (as far as I know). Tetsuya is pretty as hell, though I don't know what the line is between bishonen and femboy.
In fact, if I remember correctly a community writer had announced plans to write a femboy second-in-command to Nakano. Tragically, as with everyone Tobs has tried to wrangle into writing kitsune stuff, it fell through due to backlog or real life reasons. Shout out to Jstar for being the first one able to break through with a kitsune man.
(I mean technically there's Takahiro as well but... eh.)
I don't feel those lore reasons, especially if they're not in game like, I'm not doing 2~ year homework for this, answered my questions and they don't really explain why the entire society is all stepford wives about living in a world filled with transformation and not having it.
Just gives off creepy vibes if no one cares. The kitsune don't really need extra creepiness or isolation. They've got plenty of both. Especially in the same universe as kitsune that had none of these convoluted rules.
I don't feel those lore reasons, especially if they're not in game like, I'm not doing 2~ year homework for this, answered my questions and they don't really explain why the entire society is all stepford wives about living in a world filled with transformation and not having it.
Just gives off creepy vibes if no one cares. The kitsune don't really need extra creepiness or isolation. They've got plenty of both. Especially in the same universe as kitsune that had none of these convoluted rules.
I mean, for one starter thing, a lot of people don't even know kitsune are a thing and those who know often don't care for what their physiology is, just that they are demons that should be killed on sight (or so a significant bit of kitsune scenes say)
so yeah, no one cares because lore-wise kitsune don't really matter out of the old country, out of sight out of mind kind of deal
I don't feel those lore reasons, especially if they're not in game like, I'm not doing 2~ year homework for this, answered my questions and they don't really explain why the entire society is all stepford wives about living in a world filled with transformation and not having it.
Just gives off creepy vibes if no one cares. The kitsune don't really need extra creepiness or isolation. They've got plenty of both. Especially in the same universe as kitsune that had none of these convoluted rules.
I get the rules. I just don't get why those are the rules in this universe it seems really weird and even weirder that no one has any view on it.
A race of people perfectly content with the bodies genetics gives them is incredibly hard to understand free from the context they live in let alone with that context.
there likely are some that care, they are just not written characters since the observer likes to write characters in that specific way and only 3 other people have written kitsune and they didn't have the interest to write someone who feels like that
You don't need to have gender dysphoria to feel some dysphoria about your body. Which was more what I was getting at.
But more importantly and to directly respond, why not?
That's part of why it feels so odd to me because exploring your gender is incredibly common in CoC2, lots of characters do what the player is encouraged to do and try different bits. But if you mean specifically trans characters then I feel like if you find that absurd you musn't play many porn games...like this one one of your companions can be one. Or TiTs or many others not made by this team.
You don't need to have gender dysphoria to feel some dysphoria about your body. Which was more what I was getting at.
But more importantly and to directly respond, why not?
That's part of why it feels so odd to me because exploring your gender is incredibly common in CoC2, lots of characters do what the player is encouraged to do and try different bits. But if you mean specifically trans characters then I feel like if you find that absurd you musn't play many porn games...like this one one of your companions can be one. Or TiTs or many others not made by this team.
Gender dysphoria, rather than trans. Sure, Brint can become Brienne, and Vitra used to be Steve or something. But people aren't undergoing dysphoria because they can't express their gender, because the writers can wave their hand and go "that's not a thing here". That's why there's nothing said about kitsune miserable because they can't tf, because it doesn't service the narrative or the tone of the game to go into that.
You mentioned TiTS, which incidentally has that issue with the monkey lady on Myrellion. The writer wanted to write a particular kind of arc which didn't fit with the lore of the universe. So they had to invent a race that can't mod for Reasons. They had to invent cultural reasons why this character would be shunned by their family. And the end result was a very self-contained bubble plot that sharply contrasts with the free love people can be whatever gender they want tone of the rest of the game.
I mean, you don't need gender dysphoria to be trans and the monkey race is just resistant to change not immune to it. So, not sure what you mean.
Wanting to transform yourself...isn't a theme of the game?
I dunno man. Feel like you're arguing against something else then what I'm putting out. I don't actually expect them to put a trans character in the game so you can relax.
I mean, you don't need gender dysphoria to be trans and the monkey race is just resistant to change not immune to it. So, not sure what you mean.
Wanting to transform yourself...isn't a theme of the game?
I dunno man. Feel like you're arguing against something else then what I'm putting out. I don't actually expect them to put a trans character in the game so you can relax.
While I would typically just ignore people at this point, I do feel the need to say that I'm not arguing against trans characters (at least two of which already exist in the game so why would I be arguing against that) or saying gender dysphoria is necessary to be trans. No idea where that's coming from.
Other than that, sure. To reach way back to last page, my response to "why are kitsune just stepford wives accepting not being able to change their gender" is "because the writers to this point haven't wanted to go into that"
EDIT: Regarding trans characters in the game I also forgot 'literally every marefolk stud'
Counterpoint: In a world where, depending on how mutable you are, anything you touch, inhale or eat could change how you look, feel and think, how is it people are not more paranoid about this?
After all, not everyone is as open minded about changing who or what they are at the drop of a hat. Not to mention the everyday inconveniences that can occur. You ate something that made you grow 30 cm, now none of your clothes fit anymore. The examples could get more intricate and extreme, but then someone goes "I think that's actually hot, I like that". Which makes the whole argument pointless, I think.
Basically, this is the underlying "problem" with this thread and the gripes thred: A lot of feedback from a lot of people with a lot of opinions. From the hyper open, "every character should be a bisexual dick girl that likes all sex in every orifice and be my dom/sub with giant titties, dragon wings, demon eyes and antlers" to the more muted "I just want to have two dicks and bang chicks with it" crowd
(down to the "I wanna be a girl hero who kicks ass and has romantic adventures" types, but they are oh so rare
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And often enough, these arguments come with a certain amount of entitlement of the "If I don't understand it / like it / experienced it, it's bad and needs to be changed" variety.
... yeah I don't know what I actually want to say either, in fact, I don't know where I'm going with this anyways...
Counterpoint: In a world where, depending on how mutable you are, anything you touch, inhale or eat could change how you look, feel and think, how is it people are not more paranoid about this?
At least in CoC2, that's not a thing people have to deal with unless they're a magical fuckup like the PC is. Cait could eat Belharan Stew all day and be fine.
Champs only a mutable blob because they're absolutely bathed in magic so they're basically a sentient clay. Normal people won't TF if they decided to eat say a fox berry without alchemy shit first.
