Myrellion Content Discussion (GENERAL)

[Ikorus]

this may be an obsolete discussion, but i wanted to chime in - while some people and even some of the creators dont like how far deep down the rabbit (lapinera?) hole they went with myrellion, i actually REALLY LIKE it.


i think that gritty aliens-as-real-life-humans perspective is fascinating an and of itself, but i think the most important fact is that there actually are conflicts of interest and shades of grey. yes, even as a smut game. ESPECIALLY as  a smut game. to quote...someone...from something (i forget to be honest), "I like a good story. If I care more about the characters, I care more about the fuckin'."


so while we COULD consider myrellion a horrible mistake, i think its actually a direction we should go in more often. just not TOO often - the amount of resources on myrellion ive been exploring compared to men'gha and even tarkus is STAGGERING, and that's undeniably a huge time sink. we had our "wham episode" after being eased into the basics, now its time for a breather world or two. hopefully without making Uveto New Texas 2.0.  but from there we should start going deep again, just for a bit. consider it like a sine wave - some high intensity points, some low intensity points, but most of the time youre sitting somewhere in between.


at least, thats how i feel about it.

 

[voidrunner]

Am I the only one who is curious about the grayed out 'Citizenship' option when talking to Lieve? Also, how do we side with the red myr? Talking to Sellera, she only says you need to "Think long and hard (gigitty) about where you want to case your loyalties in this city... and this war."

 

[Xeivous]

Am I the only one who is curious about the grayed out 'Citizenship' option when talking to Lieve? Also, how do we side with the red myr? Talking to Sellera, she only says you need to "Think long and hard (gigitty) about where you want to case your loyalties in this city... and this war."

I think that Myrellion isn't quite finished yet.

 

[voidrunner]

I think that Myrellion isn't quite finished yet.

Ok, thank you

 

[Savin]

Am I the only one who is curious about the grayed out 'Citizenship' option when talking to Lieve?

That dialogue is in game. Cannae remember what the access criteria are, but it's in there.


Also, apparently MarshalQuest soonish? 

 

[voidrunner]

That dialogue is in game. Cannae remember what the access criteria are, but it's in there.


Also, apparently MarshalQuest soonish? 

I thought I tried everything, I went through all of the other dialogue, but that is the only thing that always stays grayed out.


MarshalQuest? What would that be?

 

[Etis]

I thought I tried everything, I went through all of the other dialogue, but that is the only thing that always stays grayed out.


MarshalQuest? What would that be?





 

You should read Red Myr codex entry.

 

[Savin]

MarshalQuest? What would that be?

A quest for the Federation's Field Marshal that'll eventually lead towards the resolution path(s), same as Irellia's quest.

 

[Xeivous]

So what's with that guarded title in the south-east most corner of Kressia?

 

[voidrunner]

You should read Red Myr codex entry.

...That is the one thing I did not do...

A quest for the Federation's Field Marshal that'll eventually lead towards the resolution path(s), same as Irellia's quest.

Ooh, I am definitely going to be looking forward to that

 

[Ikorus]

resolution is even possible? dont get me wrong from a player perspective i love it. kind of a pwer trip in and of itself, but narratively its kind of eyebrow raising that one person is able to run around, do a bunch of quests, and magically fix centuries old problems in like a couple of days. then again, you ARE a steele. you have jedi-level influence, except instead of the force you throw money at your problems

 

[voidrunner]

resolution is even possible? dont get me wrong from a player perspective i love it. kind of a pwer trip in and of itself, but narratively its kind of eyebrow raising that one person is able to run around, do a bunch of quests, and magically fix centuries old problems in like a couple of days. then again, you ARE a steele. you have jedi-level influence, except instead of the force you throw money at your problems

Steele: Shut up and take my money! xD

 

[Nonesuch]

except instead of the force you throw money at your problems

Would be good if our quest-designers got out of the habit of doing this tbh.

 

[Ormael]

Would be good if our quest-designers got out of the habit of doing this tbh.

Well isn't it a wonderfull money-sink for those who got too much of it? Just throw your credits and problems will solve themself xD

 

[Nik_van_Rijn]

Would be good if our quest-designers got out of the habit of doing this tbh.

 Well firstly, it does make sense in the context of a corporate dystopia light, which TiTS universe is IMO, that money is the root of all problems and sufficient amount of them can bring some sort of desirable outcome most of the times. Credits also don't come too easy for people who don't exploit the Lash Piniata: by the end of a fresh run in the latest public patch I had many NPCs that I wanted to help but couldn't, and that's with spending barely anything of TFs and gear.


Secondly, (pseudo)realistically complex alternatives would be unreasonably hard to implement for a game that doesn't prioritize its role-playing aspects and run on porn logic more often than not. And the interconnectivity those things usually require is hard to do for anyone, aside from the prominent and prolific regular authors, and since Fenoxo seems to prefer writing self-contained , that leaves pretty much just you and Savin. Factions can possibly help with that last issue, if the content for them will be coordinated.


Lastly, the tried and true genre tropes won't feel much more meaningful, since they will just convert money sinks into time sinks.


That being said, more quest in which throwing money is presented as one of the solutions but a couple of other ones (a clever one and an adventury-grindy one) can yield better results will be a nice addition for sure. Factions will also most likely help with providing alternative means of problem solving.

 

[Ormael]

Secondly, (pseudo)realistically complex alternatives would be unreasonably hard to implement for a game that doesn't prioritize its role-playing aspects and run on porn logic more often than not.

Well I could say to this that msot people come for a porn here nothin much more so easiest way will be always: take my money and let get to the sex part already...


And main dev is supported by peole that mainly presents this approach so why he would bother to try make too many cases when throwing cash to faster get to sex scene would be profitable to him?

 

[straetheus]

did i miss a choice somewhere where you had to choose between the reds and the gold? i just started the new builld and my ship lands in the underground and i cant get to topside myrellion.

 

[Nik_van_Rijn]

did i miss a choice somewhere where you had to choose between the reds and the gold? i just started the new builld and my ship lands in the underground and i cant get to topside myrellion.

You have managed to start the nuclear Armageddon of the planet by blowing up the Black Void base in Kara Quest 2. It has nothing to do with choosing a particular side of the ant conflict, which at the moment you can't do.

 

[WB]

I was so disappointed when i went to Renvra and used deny in the Make Her Beg scene to get Double Trouble and at the end of the scene i was expecting to get a tummy full of eggs or at least 4 eggs instead of just the 2 eggs she normally gives you.


It even says:


"you quickly find yourself unable to count the eggs or do anything that isn’t drooling and thinking of the semen inside you spreading out infinitely and fertilizing new galaxies. Twenty eggs? Fifty? All the eggs that have ever existed in reality seem to be multiplying in your gut as your triple-dose of myr sperm expands your consciousness to infinite fuck-scenes"


I know it was just a figure of speech but i really did expect more eggs


When i gave birth there was only 2 eggs like she regularly gives you. It says "She's so backed up she could probably put 2 batches of eggs into you" and i was really looking forward to 4 eggs or even more than 4..

 

[NotYouNorI]

This kinda sounds like a bug. You shoud report it in the "bug report" section.

 

[WB]

This kinda sounds like a bug. You shoud report it in the "bug report" section.

Eh i don't think it's a bug i just think the scenes on Myrellion are unfinished and need a little work. Same kind of thing happens in the public bath house with the shy red ant girl. Even with 18 balls and 48400 mLs of probable cum ejaculation if you choose Water Nut you spurt 1 time in the water and you're finished, One spurt is small even for an average male.

 

[NotYouNorI]

Eh i don't think it's a bug i just think the scenes on Myrellion are unfinished and need a little work. Same kind of thing happens in the public bath house with the shy red ant girl. Even with 18 balls and 48400 mLs of probable cum ejaculation if you choose Water Nut you spurt 1 time in the water and you're finished, One spurt is small even for an average male.

Well, in the "Water Nut" scene you don't get more because the scene isn't planned to give more. It's an complete scene, otherwise it wouldn't have been implemented into the game yet.


As for the Renvra scene you mentioned before, if it says one thing in the scene and the mechanics of the game give you a different thing, it's a bug and report it.

 

[Helcries]

If the reds are straight-laced about the use of their venom as Savin - not the myr in-setting, Savin speaking on his authority as one of the game's lead developers - claims they are, then nearly every use of venom on the player would have to be radically different in context, in level of romantic involvement, in forewarning and in provision of consent.  The reason they are not is because if you like red myr, you probably find their venom hot and want to see it used in sex scenes.  And that's fine.  But don't be surprised if when discussing mammal-brain matters, if you try to claim that red myr don't use venom casually, there's people who look at what's in the game and call bullshit.

Long time lurker here, but just wanted to share some of my thoughts / ideas and all that.


I agree with couch in the above statement, that the closet scene is something that goes against their standards, my only defense for that is A: Your asking HER for a favor, and B: She needs you to be able to fulfill her needs / she probably isnt used to NOT being the one in charge, and her venom allows her to retain control as you give her the D. 


It's something of my tastes that says someone should have consent in this setting, so I think that she should have ASKED first like the scout chick with the trench wives does. But on that same note, the golds have at least 2 rapey scenes that I know of. The queen whos a merchant, she basically rapes you if you say you want some queen booty, and then the scene with the golds who capture you and rape you in their barracks.


Sadly for me, it seems that the war has gotten to the point where the societies on both sides are breaking down. (Golds claim to be all about art, music, and science if I remember right. Red's claim a history of military discipline, standing up for themselves, and all that) But as the war progresses standards go out the window, reds take trench wives due to a need to care for the golds they capture because their society doesnt have a system in place to care for POW's (I could be wrong, but think I remember that being said), and it leading up to a bunch of the Red's using venom on the golds. Golds though go from art and blah blah blah, to conscripting civilians (because that's always a good idea), using WMD's (for those that dont know a WMD (weapon of mass destruction), is an NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical weapon) that means the mustard gas, nukes, and the forced Orange Myr / fertility bombs are all in the same boat. Fucking wrong, horrible, and evil. So yeah there both pretty fucked, but IMPO the Red's are by far the lesser of 2 evils. If the red's get uplifted then I do not see any need for them to be on venom suppressants unless they work in an area that encourages them into intimate settings (whores, prostitutes what ever you want to call them), as for the rest, the UGC just needs to put out some kind of info site thing on the Red Mry, and explain everything, and then its up to the individual to be responsible in taking care of themselves (because that seems to be the UGC way, dont micromanage the little shit, put laws in place that are supposed to protect people from corp's and what not exploiting them). Sorry about the rather long winded paragraph.


As for people saying that the gold's are the good guys, and red's the bad..... Correct me if I am wrong (which I very well might be), but didnt the entire war start because the golds were running military exercises way to close to red territory? They were flying planes around and broke the border, and so the red's said yeah fuck you, and shot em down? Although the counter argument from the golds is that the planes were no where near red territory. It should be rather simple for the UGC fleet to figure that out, if they really wanted to.


Also did the purpose of the fleet get changed from stop nuclear war, to stop red aggression? Because I remember the talks about how the fleet was pulled in to stop them from killing each other off, and that the fleet was there in case SOMEONE launched a nuke, not just went into a city to continue a ground war? Personally I prefer the red's, to me they come across as someone who is just trying to stop the aggression, defend their territory, and their way of life. I know they hate the dependence on the queens, but they arent using gas bombs, theres no proof that they are using bombs in the gold cities (it could very easily be gold's who are disenfranchised, because let me tell you..... No civilian is ever happy when their loved ones get pressed into service, risk death, dismemberment, or horrible life altering and ending events. It is different when someone volunteers to become a soldier,  than it is for someone who's FORCED to become a soldier. 

 

[Starstruck]

Wish I could give the above post a like, welcome into the light by the way.

 

[Helcries]

The light, it burns.... The people and the stares.... Yearning for the darkness.


On a serious note, thanks much. I try to keep posts to things relevant or to clear up my personal confusion. Not real big on forums usually, find a LOT of trolls in most of them.

 

[Shizenhakai]

The light, it burns.... The people and the stares.... Yearning for the darkness.


On a serious note, thanks much. I try to keep posts to things relevant or to clear up my personal confusion. Not real big on forums usually, find a LOT of trolls in most of them.

We here (in the TiTs sub-forum) don't have any trolls! Those live in the CoC and FoE sbuforums.. We only have ..space-trolls =P


But saeriously, about the Golden philosophing. No one really knows how the war started, but it seems as if the defeat of the Golds did not come immediately - which means that they had a military or they would have lost half there cities in the first campaign of the Reds.


..Actually, if I think further of this, it feels to me (as a historian) a bit like greek (Golds) vs romans (Reds)..


While both were pretty warlike, the greece also really liked beauty, theater and sports. Most antique art was originally developed in greece.


The romans on the other hand may have adapted greek art (and created new stuff) their civilization seems more.. organized. The remons helded up valuas like frugality, moral integrity, a high work ethic etc.


While a greek "noble" was required to show his status by hanging around the agora (central place of a a. greek city) and debating and *not* working. A roman aristocrat was supposed to be a succesful and  dilligent farmer. In fact, many roman authors critizised the grecizing of the roman aristrocrats and demanded a return to the values that made rome great.


Also, the romans at first competet and then conquered the hellenistic empires, so the parrallel fits there too =P


..I can keep on rambling about the ancient, but I kinda doubt anyone is here for that xD

 

[StainlessSteele]

If the red's get uplifted then I do not see any need for them to be on venom suppressants unless they work in an area that encourages them into intimate settings (whores, prostitutes what ever you want to call them), as for the rest, the UGC just needs to put out some kind of info site thing on the Red Mry, and explain everything, and then its up to the individual to be responsible in taking care of themselves

What do you mean this makes them the lesser of two evils? People don't consider them evil because they are worried that after the war the venom will be a problem. They consider them evil because of what the are doing with the venom RIGHT NOW. They are basically sex slavers in all but name. And worse, they are the kind of sex slavers who use addictive drugs to keep their slaves in line. Originally they claimed it was just a way to keep watch on POW but its not. It's just flat out sex slavery at this point.


Also, and this might just be me, they are evil because they have Leave.

for people saying that the gold's are the good guys, and red's the bad..... Correct me if I am wrong (which I very well might be), but didnt the entire war start because the golds were running military exercises way to close to red territory?

No one knows who started the war. Pretty sure it has been deliberately left ambiguous. Reds say Golds Golds say Reds. I doubt it will ever be known who started it.

 Because I remember the talks about how the fleet was pulled in to stop them from killing each other off, and that the fleet was there in case SOMEONE launched a nuke, not just went into a city to continue a ground war?

As I understand it, it was the reds who were gonna nuke the gold city because they didnt want to loose any more people. The golds only developed counter nukes after the space dudes stopped the reds from vaporising the golds. 

Personally I prefer the red's, to me they come across as someone who is just trying to stop the aggression, defend their territory, and their way of life.

Really? They don't come off that way to me at all. If they were just defending their way of life, they wouldn't need to push into gold territory as far as they did. They wouldn't need to push their champain so far that they needed to resourt to sex slavery as a way to keep it going.


Honestly, they come off as a bunch of raiders to me. 


Even after the cease fire they are still getting up to gross unethical shit. 


You think the golds deserve a talking to because one of their groups might rape you? That happened once by one group of golds. Thats par for the course every night over in red territory. And not just one isolated group of them.


They were the ones who were going to bomb a city full of innocent people so they could finish off what was, at the time, a basically defeated enemy without further casualties to themselves. 


To me they come off like a bunch of rapist slaving raiders who were so concerned with wiping out the golds that when they were given the choice of continuing the war effort further into gold territory or acting like even mildly decent people, they decided the war effort was so important that they needed to resort to some of the nastiest war crimes immaginable so they could keep taking more gold territory. And then, when the enemie was pushed back to one city, they still weren't satisfied, so they decided the best bet would be to nuke everyone inside.

 

[NotYouNorI]

As for people saying that the gold's are the good guys, and red's the bad..... Correct me if I am wrong (which I very well might be), but didnt the entire war start because the golds were running military exercises way to close to red territory? They were flying planes around and broke the border, and so the red's said yeah fuck you, and shot em down? Although the counter argument from the golds is that the planes were no where near red territory. It should be rather simple for the UGC fleet to figure that out, if they really wanted to.

First off, that incident that started the war was 7 years ago and in the meantime what was left of those planes was either salvaged, recovered or confiscated. I very much doubt they would care to preserve the evidance to some third party that they don't expect to arrive in 7 years. And by this point, each side blames the other. It's like two kids caught mid-fight by their patent and pointing at each other, saying: "But she started it!"


It doesn't matter who started it, but who continued it. 

Sadly for me, it seems that the war has gotten to the point where the societies on both sides are breaking down. (Golds claim to be all about art, music, and science if I remember right. Red's claim a history of military discipline, standing up for themselves, and all that) But as the war progresses standards go out the window, reds take trench wives due to a need to care for the golds they capture because their society doesnt have a system in place to care for POW's (I could be wrong, but think I remember that being said), and it leading up to a bunch of the Red's using venom on the golds. Golds though go from art and blah blah blah, to conscripting civilians (because that's always a good idea), using WMD's (for those that dont know a WMD (weapon of mass destruction), is an NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical weapon) that means the mustard gas, nukes, and the forced Orange Myr / fertility bombs are all in the same boat. Fucking wrong, horrible, and evil. So yeah there both pretty fucked, but IMPO the Red's are by far the lesser of 2 evils. If the red's get uplifted then I do not see any need for them to be on venom suppressants unless they work in an area that encourages them into intimate settings (whores, prostitutes what ever you want to call them), as for the rest, the UGC just needs to put out some kind of info site thing on the Red Mry, and explain everything, and then its up to the individual to be responsible in taking care of themselves (because that seems to be the UGC way, dont micromanage the little shit, put laws in place that are supposed to protect people from corp's and what not exploiting them). Sorry about the rather long winded paragraph.


As for people saying that the gold's are the good guys, and red's the bad..... Correct me if I am wrong (which I very well might be), but didnt the entire war start because the golds were running military exercises way to close to red territory? They were flying planes around and broke the border, and so the red's said yeah fuck you, and shot em down? Although the counter argument from the golds is that the planes were no where near red territory. It should be rather simple for the UGC fleet to figure that out, if they really wanted to.


Also did the purpose of the fleet get changed from stop nuclear war, to stop red aggression? Because I remember the talks about how the fleet was pulled in to stop them from killing each other off, and that the fleet was there in case SOMEONE launched a nuke, not just went into a city to continue a ground war? Personally I prefer the red's, to me they come across as someone who is just trying to stop the aggression, defend their territory, and their way of life. I know they hate the dependence on the queens, but they arent using gas bombs, theres no proof that they are using bombs in the gold cities (it could very easily be gold's who are disenfranchised, because let me tell you..... No civilian is ever happy when their loved ones get pressed into service, risk death, dismemberment, or horrible life altering and ending events. It is different when someone volunteers to become a soldier,  than it is for someone who's FORCED to become a soldier. 

And the Reds are the de facto aggressors here by evidence of the only piece of Gold Myr territory left being the Gildenmere and its surroundings. If they were merely defending their territory the wouldn't have gone beyond the borders of their territory. Not that the Golds were any better in the first years of the war. After all it takes two to tango.


But in the end, what the the Red Myr did, regardless of who started, would be the equivalent of someone being extremely rude to me and one of us starting a fight, then me beating them to a pulp and starting to stab them with a knife while yelling, "How dare keep resisting even in your beaten up state!"


Now regarding the Golds having WMDs, need I remind you that the reds had nukes first and one does not build something like that if they don't want to use them. The golds only got theirs only after the UGC fleet arrived. And the chemical weapon the golds used, which makes you fall asleep an then die in your sleep, while still a chemical weapon, is nowhere near as horrible as the effects of mustard gas and they have only started using it when they got really desperate. Not that the reds didn't use chemical weapons themselves. Remember the venom based aphrodisiac mines in No Myr's land? the Golds sure didn't place them there, in fact, Lieve tells you that those mines are theirs. And if you go around Kressia (an occupied Gold city) I'm sure you'll find few craters and ruins caused by bombs.


Also a lot of folks here keep ragging on the golds for conscripting civilians like it's something despicably "evil" when it's an act of desperation from losing so many ranks, something the reds would have done if the situation was reversed. In fact, by the end of World War II all sides were conscripting civilians. The Germans did, the Americans did it and sure as hell the Soviets did.


I personally don't favour either side, but the Reds are ardly a lesser "evil" here.

 

[Savin]

And the Reds are the de facto aggressors here by evidence of the only piece of Gold Myr territory left being the Gildenmere and its surroundings. If they were merely defending their territory the wouldn't have gone beyond the borders of their territory.

So the Allies were the de facto aggressors when they invaded Germany in 1945?

 

[NotYouNorI]

So the Allies were the de facto aggressors when they invaded Germany in 1945?

If it was as politically simple as the war between Reds and Golds, with only two countries, no death camps, ect then yes, they were. However World War II quite a bit more complicated than that and there are other elements that go against the Germans at the time.


It was a war; there aren't really any good sides. Just bad and worse.