What you see here is the planet Fenris of the Space Wolves chapter where a Chaos Incursion was happening and the Dark Angels if I recall, ordered an Exterminatus on the planet as Magnus the Red was on the planet hoping to kill him along with the presence of Fallen Angels. It didn't work however as Fenris was not only a gigantic and resilient planet, but the World Spirit of Fenris is immeasurably powerful, making it one of the many reasons why Fenris has not been destroyed despite one or a few Cyclonic Torpedos.
*cough* Seventh Edition *cough*
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@RanmaChan
*Looking at the polls*
FOR THE EMPERORRRR MY BATTLE BROTHERS!!! (By Lutherniel too no less!)
AND HAIL TO THE RIGHTEOUS LITTLE BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE IMPERIAL GUARD! YOU DO HIM PROUD!!! (A double-whammy of Luth!)
Bah, this isn't
completely fair, if I had split up the Imperium of Man into the respective factions I have in the first post, then they would totally be losing right now!
Gotta love that art, but you need to remember to use the spoiler tags to help cleanup your posts a bit though.
@RanmaChan
Now we see that evil is subjective. I don't see forcing other people to accept your culture when it is clearly better, to be an evil thing. Doing nothing and allowing the Imperials to continue the way they have is far more evil, because you are causing the death and suffering of far more people by allowing them to keep going. Even if you did consider that evil, its really not worth noting compared to the other races. Sending conquered planets soldiers to fight as front line to protect Tau lives, and forcing people to join your culture against their will is peanuts compared to the rest of the universe. Even if they were not good they were still objectively the best Empire in the setting.
Now they do shit like quietly sterilize the populations of planets they take so the non-Tau population die off over generations. They are now on the same level of screwed up as anyone else. I mean in the previous iteration how can you compare the two when the Tau just remove your culture and use non-Tau soldier to body block; The Imperium literally sacrifices thousands of pykers everyday to the Emperor, they have slaves to start the engines of their ships whos job is to walk until they die and then get feed to the rest, if a planet is decided to be heretical they simply eliminate the entire planet (regardless of innocence victims) and just start all over later. They are more worried about the wastage of ammo then they are of the lives of their soldiers. The list goes on and on.
Sure you might lose your culture and your soldiers were not treated well but they at least weren't trying to wipe you out or sacrificing you their gods/ machines.
Yes, evil is subjective, and I found the Tau's brand of evil to be just fine the way it was originally. Just because they could be seen as the 'gooder' guys in the game doesn't mean that they needed to be changed. Even with these new changes they are still kind of less 'grimdark' than everyone else, so it didn't really work. But I don't really mind those further additions, like the sterilizing of non-Tau populations (even though they only do it to populations on planets that don't accept the Greater Good), what I do not like is the fact that they tried to make the Tau a sort of slave race to the Ethereal caste in some 'mind controlling' way. That is what I dislike about the new Tau.
This is what I was getting at in my post:
The only thing 7th edition changed was the fact that Ethereals are now, kinda, sorta, evil? Maybe? Pheromones? Questionmark??? What a dumb concept. The fact that the Tau were, in their own way, dark and evil, and people didn't really understand that, was GREAT. That was EXACTLY what the Tau wanted. To appear awesome, but underneith they actually aren't, and you never get the chance to notice that once they gobble your world up. The fact that the Warhammer 40K fanbase didn't understansd that, and wanted them to be 'more evil' is just a slap to the face at how well written the originally were.
But that part about:
"I don't see forcing other people to accept your culture when it is clearly better, to be an evil thing. Doing nothing and allowing the Imperials to continue the way they have is far more evil, because you are causing the death and suffering of far more people by allowing them to keep going."
I think is fundamentally wrong. You can't ever force your culture on someone else, and change them, because you think your culture is better. The Imperials believe that their culture and their lives are fine (sometimes very hard, and painful, but they accept that as the way it needs to be in this galaxy), and most of them don't mind making the sacrifices their race has to make in order to keep surviving. Yes we may think of it as barbaric, and look at the Tau and see it as less barbaric (but still underhanded), and think: Well maybe it wouldn't be so bad if humanity accepted the Greater Good, but then they wouldn't be
humanity anymore, they wouldn't have their humanity. The fighting spirit I talked about in regards to the Imperial Guard, would be gone. Yes, individual lives might improve, yes uncontrollable psykers would no longer be sacrificed to the Golden Throne, and yes the oppressive theocratic government would be gone, but those restrictions are required in Warhammer 40K in order for humanity to stay alive.
If the Tau were to conquer the Imperium, they would have no choice but to eradicate humanity due to the internal threat it would pose to their empire. Once regular humans have the time to stop and think about their lot in life, they may not like the Tau Empire, and they may turn inwards to make, darker, Chaotic, pursuits. It is the grinding daily life of the average citizen, and the importance of the religion forced upon them by their government that stops them from turning to these ends. No more controlling of the human psyker population? Say hello the Daemonic incursions that your people have no way to understand because they have no connection to the warp and no psykers.
@RanmaChan Any specific type of them or any would be good enough?
I could probably get down with a Zoanthrope. I bet they could do some pretty freaky shit with their Psyker powers, plus they have less claws, spiky bits, and bio acid that you would need to dodge.
Then again, Lictors with their feeding tendrils might be fun.
