Your gripes with CoC II

[Acharehnus]

I definitely like the easy access of getting to the tower from any camp (and it's a pretty cool idea, this tower entrance appearing no matter where we are). There's not really much need to camp right now so it certainly adds a reason. If Berwyn offered a buff and/or basic merchant in there it'd be even better I feel like something to that effect is probably planned given Eubicho's role and the alchemy kit already but just putting it out there.

If I had complaints specific to the tower, it's minor, probably that it kicks you out after each interaction I was expecting something like "Sleep, one more round, talk"

A complaint specific to camps would be the items needed not stacking to 9 like most others and generally not having much need to use them right now.

 

[BadDragoon]

There's no preponderance of women with penises. Numerically, they constitute a very clear minority.

A minority when you compare them to the female population as a whole sure but when they make up almost half of the sexable dick wielding NPCs I think it's a bit silly to call them a 'clear minority'.

 

[Acharehnus]

How much less are you after if "Less then half" is still to many?

 

[WolframL]

A minority when you compare them to the female population as a whole sure but when they make up almost half of the sexable dick wielding NPCs I think it's a bit silly to call them a 'clear minority'.

The person Aly was responding to did not say that, so that's not what Aly was arguing. They made the meme-y 'lol this game is all furries and futa' argument and whining specifically about there being too many dickgirls among the female characters, along with arguing that this somehow requires any justification beyond 'because'.

 

[Kyubi Xiaolong]

There's no preponderance of women with penises. Numerically, they constitute a very clear minority.

only ones i like personally is the jotun lupine half breed and my dragon tuar in the rift.... but other then that not that big a thing, and its realistic aswell considering its a rare trait

 

[BadDragoon]

How much less are you after if "Less then half" is still to many?

I never said that there are too many dickgirls nor am I asking for less of them. I just don't agree with the framing that dickgirls in particular are 'the minority' considering how they often have more elaborate content than most male NPCs.

 

[SmithEK]

Are you including the enemies?
Futa - Evergreen, Kas, Evelyn (not 100% sure if she's got a vag), Arona, Klem, Hashat, Mama Marefolk, Two very sexy lady guards, Orlaith (deer lady), Centaur caravan lady with huge cock, horse cock elf with dancing trio, dragon taur, dog demoness in rift, alpha shark in rift.

Dickgirl/no vag - Ryn, Ana and her sister friend, Vitra, Syrish

Men - Brint, Imps, Quin, Corrupted centaur fuckers, Annoying elf boy, Berry, Elf guy (literally the only fella in the palace), Garret, June, the monkey fella in gym, minotaurs, lizard fella in baths, Frittes (? Is that the guy elf with the dancing trio?) Bird fella in rift, Big half giant fella, Male shark in rift, Drunk ass Kitsune brat (kinda, if lose in drinking bet, might have more) Male demon groupies in group in rift.

I dont bloody know, but to be fair there are more main futa ladies at the mo than the main men.. which imo is a big draw to CoC2.

 

[Kyubi Xiaolong]

Are you including the enemies?
Futa - Evergreen, Kas, Evelyn (not 100% sure if she's got a vag), Arona, Klem, Hashat, Mama Marefolk, Two very sexy lady guards, Orlaith (deer lady), Centaur caravan lady with huge cock, horse cock elf with dancing trio, dragon taur, dog demoness in rift, alpha shark in rift.

Dickgirl/no vag - Ryn, Ana and her sister friend, Vitra, Syrish

Men - Brint, Imps, Quin, Corrupted centaur fuckers, Annoying elf boy, Berry, Elf guy (literally the only fella in the palace), Garret, June, the monkey fella in gym, minotaurs, lizard fella in baths, Frittes (? Is that the guy elf with the dancing trio?) Bird fella in rift, Big half giant fella, Male shark in rift, Drunk ass Kitsune brat (kinda, if lose in drinking bet, might have more) Male demon groupies in group in rift.

I dont bloody know, but to be fair there are more main futa ladies at the mo than the main men.. which imo is a big draw to CoC2.

you missed several males...........and over half the ones you listed are not mains.....

 

[SmithEK]

you missed several males...........and over half the ones you listed are not mains.....

I listed most sexable NPCs, couldnt remember every NPC off the top of my head.

 

[BlackAion]

Minor gripe about new Berwyn content: The powers that be confirmed that Berwyn has a huge dick but stupidly small balls. I always thought that Berwyn always had melons for balls which is atleast partly why I liked him so much. It amuses me to get a extremely feminine but hung dude addicted to taking penis up their ass/vagina.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

I would love if Wynne could get pregnant. I can't tell if it's possible or not and without being able to see the game's code it's hard to check.

 

[CboyC95]

I'm upset Berwyn's no longer a companion anymore.

 

[Skylinegtr34]

I'm upset Berwyn's no longer a companion anymore.

Legitimately, yes me too

 

[Alypia]

I never said that there are too many dickgirls nor am I asking for less of them. I just don't agree with the framing that dickgirls in particular are 'the minority' considering how they often have more elaborate content than most male NPCs.

That's what the word "minority" means. Not only are they a small part of the overall NPC population, they're less than half of the dick-wielding sexable NPC population.

If you have a complaint about content quality, that's something else, and it's frankly something that I can't really speak to. What someone thinks is Good (or even "elaborate") differs from bean to bean. It's a potentially valid complaint, but it's also one that doesn't fit the narrative of "everyone in this game is a futa furry" that I was addressing.

I listed most sexable NPCs, couldnt remember every NPC off the top of my head.

CoC2 Big Data

docs.google.com

 

[BadDragoon]

That's what the word "minority" means. Not only are they a small part of the overall NPC population, they're less than half of the dick-wielding sexable NPC population.

You're right I suppose. I didn't consider the male NPCs to be a minority either but when compared to the female population everything else is apparently.

I think one of the reason why one might have the idea that "everyone in this game is a futa" is because of the disproportional presentation of girls with dicks compared to guys with vaginas. Like yeah there is one or two cboys / male-herms in the game but whenever there is a mention of hermaphroditism it is always heavily implied to be of the female variety which is kinda immersion breaking imo and I can see why some would think that dickgirls are there solely for fetish reasons instead of complementing the world building especially when there are no apparent reasons for it to be that way.

 

[wery12345]

I'm upset Berwyn's no longer a companion anymore.

Well it's better than shackling a second companion onto another writer.

 

[Kesil]

I think one of the reason why one might have the idea that "everyone in this game is a futa" is because of the disproportional presentation of girls with dicks compared to guys with vaginas.

I have a feel that the "target audience" isn't interested in the latter, but find that the former may appear in important parts of the story, thus assuming that Savarra is Futaland. Something similar happened with CoC, to the point that a certain common complaint ("furry futa femdom") is included in the CoC2 disclaimer.

 

[Animalistic]

For now, I do have to say that post Quest Berry does seem worse off in terms of content and that the parser soup seemed to harm the overall expirience more than it helped. I do wonder for who this update was aimed for since it does feel kinda of uncertain of who the target audience is.

 

[wery12345]

For now, I do have to say that post Quest Berry does seem worse off in terms of content and that the parser soup seemed to harm the overall expirience more than it helped. I do wonder for who this update was aimed for since it does feel kinda of uncertain of who the target audience is.

He is not worse off, worse off was the other plan of probably just fucking removing him from the game?

 

[BubbleLord]

We still don't have enough spaghetti in Cait's mouth to satisfy me. @Savin - please fix this ASAP.

 

[Animalistic]

He is not worse off, worse off was the other plan of probably just fucking removing him from the game?

I mean, if you are a Berwyn fan, progressing with his quests yields you 4 and something sex scenes and maybe an option to add to him something extra to spice things up.
If you like your Berwyn as he is, a cute Dom, you get 9 scenes. So yeah, basically doing nothing and just having him sit in the tavern does feel like a better choice.

 

[Ria Brew]

I mean considering even Savin want's B to continue to support Berry post-quest I imagine that content will fill out as it goes. B just spent a year and a half on a massive quest, while also continuing to support Zo content and tending to their own companion. A little patience does seem in order, and parser soup tho it may be, the framework for a lot of potential content has been laid out.

Me, I'm just happy to see a softer side to Berry as well as see him get some personal closure(at least, through the route I took). The brat thing is cute, but in moderation, and the poor boy badly needed a win.

 

[wery12345]

I mean, if you are a Berwyn fan, progressing with his quests yields you 4 and something sex scenes and maybe an option to add to him something extra to spice things up.
If you like your Berwyn as he is, a cute Dom, you get 9 scenes. So yeah, basically doing nothing and just having him sit in the tavern does feel like a better choice.

Again, the other option was remove him from the game, why cant you be glad he was given a genuinely good overall expac?

 

[Raccoon-Dog]

Again, the other option was remove him from the game, why cant you be glad he was given a genuinely good overall expac?

Understanding a decision doesn't negate someone's feelings about it, I have followed this for a long time Berwyn was my fav and well early on made me notice I was more gay than I cared to admit, plus I loved his content. So this change was unexpected and felt like a slap in the face, I get why they did it, but I don't like how it was handled it felt like I just out of nowhere got my fav character thrown out and left worse overall because we lost a lot of stuff for him because of this too. Thats just me, but I assume others feel similarly.

 

[Alypia]

You're right I suppose. I didn't consider the male NPCs to be a minority either but when compared to the female population everything else is apparently.

I think one of the reason why one might have the idea that "everyone in this game is a futa" is because of the disproportional presentation of girls with dicks compared to guys with vaginas. Like yeah there is one or two cboys / male-herms in the game but whenever there is a mention of hermaphroditism it is always heavily implied to be of the female variety which is kinda immersion breaking imo and I can see why some would think that dickgirls are there solely for fetish reasons instead of complementing the world building especially when there are no apparent reasons for it to be that way.

I mean, the whole game is here for fetish reasons.

In games like these, with open community submissions and writer teams that exist because they were community writers once upon a time, the audience reflects the kind of content that gets written. If people wanted more content for he/him characters with vaginas, they would write it. Other than birbs, they haven't. Cboys and maleherms certainly exist in Savarra, but until somebody who's actually interested in them starts writing (or, in birbs' case, writing more), they're not going to have very much of a sexual presence in game.

 

[Raccoon-Dog]

I mean, if you are a Berwyn fan, progressing with his quests yields you 4 and something sex scenes and maybe an option to add to him something extra to spice things up.
If you like your Berwyn as he is, a cute Dom, you get 9 scenes. So yeah, basically doing nothing and just having him sit in the tavern does feel like a better choice.

I totally feel ya on what ya said, it's a shitty situation to be sure tho it's good to know that I'm not the only one feeling like u do about it all.

 

[BadDragoon]

Again, the other option was remove him from the game, why cant you be glad he was given a genuinely good overall expac?

I feel like there is a way to give Berwyn a nice conclusion to his questline without removing him from being a companion or from the game entirely. Giving us an option to 'customize' our own Berwyn was a neat idea but was ultimately too ambitious to be implement on a party member. Imo this expac wrapped up his story pretty well but I think I'd rather have him stay as a companion without further updates than the body modification shenanigans tbh. (Not saying that the body transformation was bad ofc. I'm just disappointed to lose one of my favorite companion)

 

[kiby]

Again, the other option was remove him from the game, why cant you be glad he was given a genuinely good overall expac?

Was the only other option to remove him from the game completely? Other characters have been written by authors who have stopped writing them for one reason or another, and they haven't been put through this same situation. Yea, Berwyn was a companion, but what would have been stopping them from just saying "Sorry, Berwyn won't be getting more content". The quest's story was ok (fuck that maze, though), but the whole "completely remake him physically" part felt extremely contrived and out of nowhere.

Also, if we liked Berwyn as he was, especially his large amount of scenes at the Frosthound, then completing this quest leaves his non-story content just plain worse off than before. Gone are his 9 various direct sex scenes, gone is his petting scene, gone are his threesomes and voyeur scenes with Cait, gone is the ability to talk with him about having children. I'm praying that all his regular scenes being removed by finishing this quest is unintentional.

 

[WolframL]

Yea, Berwyn was a companion, but what would have been stopping them from just saying "Sorry, Berwyn won't be getting more content"

Because the entire pitch behind companions is that they do have ongoing content that integrates them with the story, the world and each other. It's literally right there in the primary design doc in bold that Savin does not want CoC1 bubble waifus who don't interact with anybody else. It's also right there in the still-stickied topic that Tobs wrote about writing companions. Even the companions who have the least content right now have more integration with the rest of the cast and with ongoing events than Berry.

So yeah, leaving him as-is with no new content would just exacerbate how much of a bubble character he ended up as due to Real Word Circumstances intervening and he'd continue to be literary dead space in every quest and the main plot. I suppose you could argue there's some utility in that if (for example) you're trying to see all the Abyssal Depths companion content for a particular character since it takes the random factor out, but that's an edge case and I don't think it justifies leaving him in but unsupported.

 

[Ria Brew]

Also one of the primary issues facing Berry was that a resolution to his story was promised even before Hugs left and it's reflected very frequently in the writing. A resolution needed to be written as well as addressing the issue that he was an unsupported companion that required others pick up the slack to have any kind of inclusion. The options faced were leave him unfinished which is not a future-friendly finished product solution, unload the burden onto someone else which is honestly kind of unfair in the long run, remove them from the game which leaves everyone unhappy, or give him some closure and revoke his status as companion.

I have my issues with how it was delivered which is shared with many others who discussed their feelings with Savin in the discord (who was a very good sport about the whole thing) and I am sad to lose a companion I liked as well as a chunk of their content but I'm also understanding of a lot of the reasoning behind it and how there was no truly good solution. I'm also hopeful that there is more to come later on to refill the gap left by the inaccessible scenes.