Your gripes with CoC II

[DJ_Arashi_Rora]

There's no preponderance of women with penises. Numerically, they constitute a very clear minority.

Dayum Aly, slay!

 

[WolframL]

I feel like I was led to believe that Berwyn would stay as a companion. I don't remember a single instance, at least in the forums and blogposts, where it was mentioned that Berry would just stop being with us.

Based on the lack of such mentions, I'm gonna hazard a guess that it was the result of a behind the scenes discussion and whenever that decision was made, they decided not to mention it in advance because we'd find out whenever BerryQuest finally dropped and nobody directly asked about it, so it just didn't come up. Given Savin's repeated comments on the folly of trying to support three companions, I can definitely see why making Berwyn a feature-rich NPC would be an attractive option since he has very little relevance outside his previous quest and Frost Hound interactions (being the only companion to not get content in the Abyssal Depths for example) and it lets B focus more on the companion he wanted to write instead of having to juggle two. Plus, y'know, all the madness of trying to account for all those variables he added, in every scene Berwyn would need to be in for the rest of the game.

But yeah, I can't say I saw the change coming either, just that it makes sense in retrospect.

Even if the other sentient races were somehow more tolerant than humans, humans are still human. If you’re going to show all of these races coexisting (and in relative close proximity too!) There needs to be context given as to why and how they’re coexisting. You can hand-wave it away in CoC 1 because that world is on the brink of literal collapse with the advent of multidimensional threats and demons destroying the very fabric of reality.

Ahem, did you miss the elephant in the room that is the Godswar? You know, the apocalyptic struggle against an extradimensional threat that almost destroyed the world, did bring the single largest empire to ruin and has left virtually everybody picking up the pieces and struggling to just survive for the last few centuries? You might wanna consider that.

Also, there are hints that tensions between different races have been a factor (particularly in Kitsuhon and Not!China) but they're, y'know, not nearly as big a deal any more in the face of the goddamned apocalypse. Also, this ls literally fantasy with porn and very little is going to kill players' horni more than reading all about ethnic tensions. Deal with it.

On the subject of kingdoms - where are the kings? Oh don’t get me wrong; I love MILFs, royalty, amazons, and royal Amazonian MILFs. But isn’t it a bit strange that all of these kingdoms, cities, tribes, etc that have been encountered by The Champion in The Frost Marches have been more or less ruled by large-breasted and thunderously-thighed women?

Do you think that maybe the fact that the lead developer/writer for the game has a thing for muscle (dick)girls might be a factor here? Again, this is fantasy, not a tract about systems of government, gender norms or race.

Also if you want to be pedantic, Khor'minos and its king say hi, and before the Godswar the lupines had Jarls and Belhar had Emperors. Probably Empresses too but I think we've only been told about male rulers there.

Even the few male chieftains that we encounter like Taldahs and Argoth can be supplanted by Amazonian women.

Taldahs can't be supplanted, he can be purified and remain in charge or you kill him and then nobody is in charge.

It makes sense for the vesparans to have a queen (they are big sentient hornets after all) but most everyone else too? Why? Is Savarra a world where matriarchies have supplanted patriarchies somehow? If so, that’s a big enough change that it should require some more context.

Again, not a tract on gender norms or politics. Don't like it? Learn to live with it.

She’s ostensibly this beautifully be-winged demon from another world. And because CoC 1 and 2 are in the same universe, we (the player) know demons to be cruel and malevolent super-beings who care about nothing but fulfilling their desires. See: Ceraph, Vapula, and Lethice.

And Kasyrra considers them to be small-minded while she has ambitions. Whether you agree with them or not (to say nothing of her methods) is another matter entirely, but she's demonstrated a good deal more of an interest in long-term goals than they did. Also, something something CoC2's writers are (largely) not the same as CoC1's and the writing of the earlier game isn't on nearly the same level.

Why is this soulless demon well… not acting like a demon?

Not acting like a rape-beast =/= not acting like a demon. See above, and Kas is clearly more goal-oriented and has a better handle on her lusts. Which isn't to say she doesn't have them, but she does sense something special about the Champ which means she's being especially careful around them. Can't fuck the soul out of them before it's strong enough.

And more importantly, why is the player opposing her at all?

Think about it: You’re Joe Average-Adventurer living in Savarra. And you live in a world where you’re likely to die in your 30s due to dysentery or some other pox or disease. Your dwellings are dirty, people have sex because it’s the only fun thing to do, and there’s no such thing as a toilet. Things aren’t great, even for nobility or the educated.

I suggest you pay more attention and leave the Dung Ages stereotypes at the door. I'd suggest in particular that you pay attention to the detail put into Khor'minos, which is modeled after ancient Rome and has indoor plumbing.

Is Savarra utopian? Hell no, but it's not nearly as grimdark as you seem to think it is.

This must be incredible to the average person, so why would anyone say: “Nah you know what I’m good with slumming it out in dirt and squalor, that barmaid with the peg-leg gave me a wink the other day.” Unless you’re roleplaying as a puritanical paladin who unironically shouts “Deus Vault!” at every opportunity. And if you’re doing that, then why even play this game? By not having sex, or only pursuing chaste relationships, you’re cutting out a huge portion of the game.

As someone who does play a Champ who doesn't have a great deal of sex and is chaste with everyone but her beloved, I'll thank you to not tell me that I'm Doing It Wrong.

No, she’s just going from place-to-place making people feel better and empowering them while looking for a way to make babies. “Ah!” But you exclaim. “She said that she’s going to steal your soul!”

So what? What does that even mean, really?

Well, a complete lack of empathy for starts...

Either naturally or through some accident, there seems to be a preponderance of women with penises. Again, this isn’t so much a complaint about them being in the world, as it is a complaint about their sheer numbers not being explained properly.

First off, as Aly has noted the numbers aren't as imbalanced as you think. Also, it's what the writers tend to like and it's what the majority of the fanbase likes to see. This is, again, a fucking fantasy game, it doesn't have to be 'realistic'. It just has to be realistic enough that it doesn't break the majority of players' suspension of disbelief.

And this is explained if you pay attention. Alchemy exists in this setting and one thing that can be done with it is to affect genitalia. Hence, you get ladies who might not have been born with a penis but who wanted one, so they went and got one. There are others who had it applied to them and aren't happy about it (Eryka) or who were transformed involuntarily and don't mind it (Evelyn). And then there are a number of people who are simply born intersex because that's how their race works in the setting. Elves of all stripes can be born that way, as a fact of life in Savarra.

A couple of dog-girl sisters? One of them has a penis. Unexplained. Dryad sisters? You bet one of them has a huge horse-knob.

Anna and Morwen both do actually, and Orlaith can be explained both by 'It's Wsan, that's what he wanted to write' and 'They're literally made of magic'.

2) Kassyra: An all-powerful demon with the ability to corrupt and dominate anything she comes in contact with suddenly appears in Savarra and immediately starts causing havoc. She doesn’t even bother to hide herself or her intentions - she doesn’t need to. And what do the enlightened denizens of The Frost Marches do? “Well, we’ll send someone who’s keen to check things out. We’ll give them a fancy title like CHAMPION and wish them good luck. That should do the trick. It’s not like we had a problem with soul-sucking Wraiths who threatened our world only a few centuries prior. It’s perfectly acceptable and reasonable to under-prepare here and do little to combat this existential threat. This'll be fine!” Spoiler alert: It wasn’t fine.

Have you actually done the conversation where Carmen asks you to become the Champion of Hawkthorne? Or paid any attention to the setting? The Frost Marches is not a well-organized state with a strong government, it's a large town with no permanent military and its nominal ruler has very little actual power to call upon. There is no army to muster and no government to organize one. The Winter City has been isolationist for centuries and the events of the game drain the bulk of its upper crust before we're able to stabilize things, so they don't have vast armies to mobilize to send beyond the borders when they haven't even been able to maintain a wayfort that used to represent the southern edge of their domains for several centuries. Khor'minos is the one regional power that really has its collective shit together (probably because they hunkered down during the Godswar after Fort Marrok fell and waited until it all blew over) and they've focused on defending what they have rather than trying to launch an expedition against Kasyrra. That her forces lay siege to the city and keep them in a defensive posture doesn't help either.

3) For a game that calls itself Corruption of Champions, there isn’t a whole lot of corruption going on.

I literally just typed up a bunch about this earlier today, scroll up a bit.

4) Why is everyone so damned attractive?

Because this is a porn game. Are you really asking why a game whose main draw is sex would write all its sexable characters to be attractive in their own ways?

I know this sounds a bit nit-picky

A bit?

5) While I do like having consequences to my actions, I really don’t like forced transformations. It’s annoying to me to make my perfect character and then suddenly have it ruined because I accidentally clicked on the wrong choice while I was trying to dick-down a hot racoon lady.

If you clicked the wrong option, that's not a forced transformation; it's you not paying attention. PEBKAC is not a problem the devs can solve.

 

[Animalistic]

I can not lie, loosing Berry as companion just sucks. He was one of our three male ones and my favorite to boot! And now puff, he is gone... And on top of loosing all his previous scenes and pregnancy content just feels like slap across the face towards anyone that liked the pretty boy summoner.
Well at least people -- that were not originally into him -- can give him tits, remove the dick and make him, well I guess her, a sub. So good for them...

 

[Flower Boi Vin]

I can not lie, loosing Berry as companion just sucks. He was one of our three male ones and my favorite to boot! And now puff, he is gone... And on top of loosing all his previous scenes and pregnancy content just feels like slap across the face towards anyone that liked the pretty boy summoner.
Well at least people -- that were not originally into him -- can give him tits, remove the dick and make him, well I guess her, a sub. So good for them...

I really liked having a cute boy for a companion but the worst part, for me at least, is the ending. You mean to tell me I have to use a tent for something other than Ahmri? I can't speak for how others play, but the mechanic I use the absolute least is tents. Especially now since my character is stacked. I'm having to injest large amounts of copium with this.

 

[Savin]

You mean to tell me I have to use a tent

We're considering making the Tower a location you can visit directly via the Ways, though I think the intro to it needs a little tweaking in that instance. Maybe.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

I can not lie, loosing Berry as companion just sucks. He was one of our three male ones and my favorite to boot! And now puff, he is gone... And on top of loosing all his previous scenes and pregnancy content just feels like slap across the face towards anyone that liked the pretty boy summoner.
Well at least people -- that were not originally into him -- can give him tits, remove the dick and make him, well I guess her, a sub. So good for them...

I understand how you feel and am sorry for the loss but do you at least understand why?

If anything be mad at Berwyn's original author for bailing and leaving Savin and co. to pick up the pieces.

 

[Acharehnus]

I definitely like the easy access of getting to the tower from any camp (and it's a pretty cool idea, this tower entrance appearing no matter where we are). There's not really much need to camp right now so it certainly adds a reason. If Berwyn offered a buff and/or basic merchant in there it'd be even better I feel like something to that effect is probably planned given Eubicho's role and the alchemy kit already but just putting it out there.

If I had complaints specific to the tower, it's minor, probably that it kicks you out after each interaction I was expecting something like "Sleep, one more round, talk"

A complaint specific to camps would be the items needed not stacking to 9 like most others and generally not having much need to use them right now.

 

[BadDragoon]

There's no preponderance of women with penises. Numerically, they constitute a very clear minority.

A minority when you compare them to the female population as a whole sure but when they make up almost half of the sexable dick wielding NPCs I think it's a bit silly to call them a 'clear minority'.

 

[Acharehnus]

How much less are you after if "Less then half" is still to many?

 

[WolframL]

A minority when you compare them to the female population as a whole sure but when they make up almost half of the sexable dick wielding NPCs I think it's a bit silly to call them a 'clear minority'.

The person Aly was responding to did not say that, so that's not what Aly was arguing. They made the meme-y 'lol this game is all furries and futa' argument and whining specifically about there being too many dickgirls among the female characters, along with arguing that this somehow requires any justification beyond 'because'.

 

[Kyubi Xiaolong]

There's no preponderance of women with penises. Numerically, they constitute a very clear minority.

only ones i like personally is the jotun lupine half breed and my dragon tuar in the rift.... but other then that not that big a thing, and its realistic aswell considering its a rare trait

 

[BadDragoon]

How much less are you after if "Less then half" is still to many?

I never said that there are too many dickgirls nor am I asking for less of them. I just don't agree with the framing that dickgirls in particular are 'the minority' considering how they often have more elaborate content than most male NPCs.

 

[SmithEK]

Are you including the enemies?
Futa - Evergreen, Kas, Evelyn (not 100% sure if she's got a vag), Arona, Klem, Hashat, Mama Marefolk, Two very sexy lady guards, Orlaith (deer lady), Centaur caravan lady with huge cock, horse cock elf with dancing trio, dragon taur, dog demoness in rift, alpha shark in rift.

Dickgirl/no vag - Ryn, Ana and her sister friend, Vitra, Syrish

Men - Brint, Imps, Quin, Corrupted centaur fuckers, Annoying elf boy, Berry, Elf guy (literally the only fella in the palace), Garret, June, the monkey fella in gym, minotaurs, lizard fella in baths, Frittes (? Is that the guy elf with the dancing trio?) Bird fella in rift, Big half giant fella, Male shark in rift, Drunk ass Kitsune brat (kinda, if lose in drinking bet, might have more) Male demon groupies in group in rift.

I dont bloody know, but to be fair there are more main futa ladies at the mo than the main men.. which imo is a big draw to CoC2.

 

[Kyubi Xiaolong]

Are you including the enemies?
Futa - Evergreen, Kas, Evelyn (not 100% sure if she's got a vag), Arona, Klem, Hashat, Mama Marefolk, Two very sexy lady guards, Orlaith (deer lady), Centaur caravan lady with huge cock, horse cock elf with dancing trio, dragon taur, dog demoness in rift, alpha shark in rift.

Dickgirl/no vag - Ryn, Ana and her sister friend, Vitra, Syrish

Men - Brint, Imps, Quin, Corrupted centaur fuckers, Annoying elf boy, Berry, Elf guy (literally the only fella in the palace), Garret, June, the monkey fella in gym, minotaurs, lizard fella in baths, Frittes (? Is that the guy elf with the dancing trio?) Bird fella in rift, Big half giant fella, Male shark in rift, Drunk ass Kitsune brat (kinda, if lose in drinking bet, might have more) Male demon groupies in group in rift.

I dont bloody know, but to be fair there are more main futa ladies at the mo than the main men.. which imo is a big draw to CoC2.

you missed several males...........and over half the ones you listed are not mains.....

 

[SmithEK]

you missed several males...........and over half the ones you listed are not mains.....

I listed most sexable NPCs, couldnt remember every NPC off the top of my head.

 

[BlackAion]

Minor gripe about new Berwyn content: The powers that be confirmed that Berwyn has a huge dick but stupidly small balls. I always thought that Berwyn always had melons for balls which is atleast partly why I liked him so much. It amuses me to get a extremely feminine but hung dude addicted to taking penis up their ass/vagina.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

I would love if Wynne could get pregnant. I can't tell if it's possible or not and without being able to see the game's code it's hard to check.

 

[CboyC95]

I'm upset Berwyn's no longer a companion anymore.

 

[Skylinegtr34]

I'm upset Berwyn's no longer a companion anymore.

Legitimately, yes me too

 

[Alypia]

I never said that there are too many dickgirls nor am I asking for less of them. I just don't agree with the framing that dickgirls in particular are 'the minority' considering how they often have more elaborate content than most male NPCs.

That's what the word "minority" means. Not only are they a small part of the overall NPC population, they're less than half of the dick-wielding sexable NPC population.

If you have a complaint about content quality, that's something else, and it's frankly something that I can't really speak to. What someone thinks is Good (or even "elaborate") differs from bean to bean. It's a potentially valid complaint, but it's also one that doesn't fit the narrative of "everyone in this game is a futa furry" that I was addressing.

I listed most sexable NPCs, couldnt remember every NPC off the top of my head.

CoC2 Big Data

NPC List Character Name,Race,Gender,Penis,Pussy,Sexable,Marriageable,Beastkin,Combat Enemy?,NPC Type,Demon or Imp,Cock Type,PC Can Get This NPC Pregnant,NPC Can Get the PC Pregnant,Creator Agnimitra,Harpy,Female,Default No,Yes,Yes,No,No,No,Companion,No,Human,No,No,B Arona,Orc,Female,Yes,Yes,Yes,...

docs.google.com

 

[BadDragoon]

That's what the word "minority" means. Not only are they a small part of the overall NPC population, they're less than half of the dick-wielding sexable NPC population.

You're right I suppose. I didn't consider the male NPCs to be a minority either but when compared to the female population everything else is apparently.

I think one of the reason why one might have the idea that "everyone in this game is a futa" is because of the disproportional presentation of girls with dicks compared to guys with vaginas. Like yeah there is one or two cboys / male-herms in the game but whenever there is a mention of hermaphroditism it is always heavily implied to be of the female variety which is kinda immersion breaking imo and I can see why some would think that dickgirls are there solely for fetish reasons instead of complementing the world building especially when there are no apparent reasons for it to be that way.

 

[wery12345]

I'm upset Berwyn's no longer a companion anymore.

Well it's better than shackling a second companion onto another writer.

 

[Kesil]

I think one of the reason why one might have the idea that "everyone in this game is a futa" is because of the disproportional presentation of girls with dicks compared to guys with vaginas.

I have a feel that the "target audience" isn't interested in the latter, but find that the former may appear in important parts of the story, thus assuming that Savarra is Futaland. Something similar happened with CoC, to the point that a certain common complaint ("furry futa femdom") is included in the CoC2 disclaimer.

 

[Animalistic]

For now, I do have to say that post Quest Berry does seem worse off in terms of content and that the parser soup seemed to harm the overall expirience more than it helped. I do wonder for who this update was aimed for since it does feel kinda of uncertain of who the target audience is.

 

[wery12345]

For now, I do have to say that post Quest Berry does seem worse off in terms of content and that the parser soup seemed to harm the overall expirience more than it helped. I do wonder for who this update was aimed for since it does feel kinda of uncertain of who the target audience is.

He is not worse off, worse off was the other plan of probably just fucking removing him from the game?

 

[BubbleLord]

We still don't have enough spaghetti in Cait's mouth to satisfy me. @Savin - please fix this ASAP.

 

[Animalistic]

He is not worse off, worse off was the other plan of probably just fucking removing him from the game?

I mean, if you are a Berwyn fan, progressing with his quests yields you 4 and something sex scenes and maybe an option to add to him something extra to spice things up.
If you like your Berwyn as he is, a cute Dom, you get 9 scenes. So yeah, basically doing nothing and just having him sit in the tavern does feel like a better choice.

 

[Ria Brew]

I mean considering even Savin want's B to continue to support Berry post-quest I imagine that content will fill out as it goes. B just spent a year and a half on a massive quest, while also continuing to support Zo content and tending to their own companion. A little patience does seem in order, and parser soup tho it may be, the framework for a lot of potential content has been laid out.

Me, I'm just happy to see a softer side to Berry as well as see him get some personal closure(at least, through the route I took). The brat thing is cute, but in moderation, and the poor boy badly needed a win.

 

[wery12345]

I mean, if you are a Berwyn fan, progressing with his quests yields you 4 and something sex scenes and maybe an option to add to him something extra to spice things up.
If you like your Berwyn as he is, a cute Dom, you get 9 scenes. So yeah, basically doing nothing and just having him sit in the tavern does feel like a better choice.

Again, the other option was remove him from the game, why cant you be glad he was given a genuinely good overall expac?

 

[Raccoon-Dog]

Again, the other option was remove him from the game, why cant you be glad he was given a genuinely good overall expac?

Understanding a decision doesn't negate someone's feelings about it, I have followed this for a long time Berwyn was my fav and well early on made me notice I was more gay than I cared to admit, plus I loved his content. So this change was unexpected and felt like a slap in the face, I get why they did it, but I don't like how it was handled it felt like I just out of nowhere got my fav character thrown out and left worse overall because we lost a lot of stuff for him because of this too. Thats just me, but I assume others feel similarly.