Your gripes with CoC II

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On a related note, I wish there were some way to prompt the events where we suddenly take control of Kinu and influence her personality. Because I never know when they're going to proc or how they decide it's time to trigger and couldn't tell how the answers I give affect her until I read a guide. Plus until the second time I freed her and Kiyoko and her 31 siblings I didn't even realise there was a chance for her to have a different personality than the one she had the first time.
 
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On a related note, I wish there were some way to prompt the events where we suddenly take control of Kinu and influence her personality. Because I never know when they're going to proc or how they decide it's time to trigger and couldn't tell how the answers I give affect her until I read a guide. Plus until the second time I freed her and Kiyoko and her 31 siblings I didn't even realise there was a chance for her to have a different personality than the one she had the first time.
You can force it to trigger by constant moving back and forth between the central tile and one of the other tiles, though you can't really choose to not trigger it.
 
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The weapon one is cute, if only for the fact the PC explain to Kinu about a mad Kiyoko using "angry fox noises" which only became funnier when you make hem foxen themselves, so you too can join in the angry fox noises.
 

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I have a big issue with lactation on my female characters. Pregnancy inevitably results in breasts QQ cup or something ridiculous. Is there anyway to cap the size of boobs before they balloon into bean bag chairs? (No, I won't practice safe sex, don't slut shame me.)
 
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I have a big issue with lactation on my female characters. Pregnancy inevitably results in breasts QQ cup or something ridiculous. Is there anyway to cap the size of boobs before they balloon into bean bag chairs? (No, I won't practice safe sex, don't slut shame me.)
First answer: blue eggs alchemically refined with wild melons will reduce cup size. There's no way to cap cup size.

Follow-up answer: Lactation and pregnancy on their own should not be increasing cup size by that much. For most players, it's almost impossible to get past J without using something like the Hornet Ring, even with boob-focused TFs items. Passive gains purely from pregnancy and lactation shouldn't push Champ's booba to that size, and I would be very surprised if there wasn't some other contributor (like the aforementioned Hornet Ring).
 

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Yeah, I really wish there was a dialogue option when you talk to Jael'yn that the only reason she is still alive is because my elf waif pleaded for her to be spared, and had she not, I'd have killed her without sparing it a thought. Help her realize just how thin the ice she's on, from the perspective of an actual person and not a porn game protagonist bound by 'But Thou Must'.
I think wery was talking about the demonic general you (can?) find leading the smugglers in Undermountain, that you can't kill because if you try they get saved by the Faceless Blade kitsune.
 

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I think wery was talking about the demonic general you (can?) find leading the smugglers in Undermountain, that you can't kill because if you try they get saved by the Faceless Blade kitsune.
A little clarification, isn't the Faceless Blade a nekomata?
 

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A little clarification, isn't the Faceless Blade a nekomata?
I... think there's specific mention of foxyness when the Faceless Blade saves the general, but I won't swear by it. They could be.

EDIT: On the other hand, there might have been a mention of multiple tails instead, and my mind immediately went to "kitsune." It DOES make more narrative sense for the FB to be a kitty, as it parallels with your own kitty-cait lieutenant.
 
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So, is game implying that Cait is going to have children with some stranger if champion does not have a dick? Is that what the game is implying with her whole thick expansion and "I would like you to grow the dick, my champion." I hope not, just seems mean to certain subset of playerbase.

Edit: Also, suggesting the growth of a dick to the player that obviously is playing a character without one because they want to is just a great experience.
 
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So, is game implying that Cait is going to have children with some stranger if champion does not have a dick? Is that what the game is implying with her whole thick expansion and "I would like you to grow the dick, my champion." I hope not, just seems mean to certain subset of playerbase.

Edit: Also, suggesting the growth of a dick to the player that obviously is playing a character without one because they want to is just a great experience.
Didn't think Cait was getting pregnancy content?
 

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So, is game implying that Cait is going to have children with some stranger if champion does not have a dick? Is that what the game is implying with her whole thick expansion and "I would like you to grow the dick, my champion." I hope not, just seems mean to certain subset of playerbase.

Edit: Also, suggesting the growth of a dick to the player that obviously is playing a character without one because they want to is just a great experience.
Savin's been clear that Cait isn't getting pregnancy content. Maybe in an epilogue she has kids, but it's not gonna happen in the game proper.
 

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Didn't think Cait was getting pregnancy content?
The way it is worded seems like an epilogue outcome.

Savin's been clear that Cait isn't getting pregnancy content. Maybe in an epilogue she has kids, but it's not gonna happen in the game proper.
That does not make it better tho. Cait getting bred in the epilogue by a stranger/other friends because players did not want to grow a dick seems short sighted. And I am only talking in vain if champion pursued Cait as love interest. If not, than they do not care what she does. But if they did, that just seems mean

Still, I hope that this is just a mess up in conveying the meaning behind her hints thay my female NPC "could grow a dick so that she could breed her." Still find it little worrying that this is second time that this is happening with our companion (downplaying the vagina having players) this year but what can you do.
 
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How should I see it? Why focus on us breeding her when we do not have necessarily equipment? Could you have not written that all her extra weight requires extra cussion to sit on and champions face seems pretty welcoming right about now?

Just seems weird to make it known how "she would like for us to grow a dick and breed her" you know? Is the only reason that people want to thicken Cait because they want to see her pregnant so it was written to account only that line of thinking?

Edit: Basically my problem comes with aforementioned focus on the dick.

When she talks about someone expiriencing her extra curves, if you have a dick, she focuses on your dick. If you do not, she focuses on someone elses dick.

If you lack in equipment department, only thing she mentiones isbhow you should grow a dick and breed her. Eithar that or how someone else may do the deed. She only cares about you in hypothetical, not what we could actually do for her.
I hope you understand what I mean.
 
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Just seems weird to make it known how "she would like for us to grow a dick and breed her" you know? Is the only reason that people want to thicken Cait because they want to see her pregnant so it was written to account only that line of thinking?
Can't even tell if this is an issue with your lack of reading comprehension or if you're just looking for an excuse to whine. Cait mentions wanting kids someday "with the right person", and now she's saying that the champion definitely falls in that category. She likes the champ to the degree that she'd have their children, that's all that meant. It really seems like you're trying to zero in on the simplest things just so you can have another arbitrary nitpick to complain about.
 

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But she is still making it all about dick. She never mentions anything else. I would assume that if you are playing as a female/cboy, ypu are doing it because tou want to. And that hearing your supposed sexfriend/lover only talk about how they want to have babies especially yours if you grow a dick... Like thanks? Would be nice if you could, you know, tell me what I can do for/to you as I am now, dickless and all, but hey, whatever turns you on more I guess.
It just makes me think that I am playing the game wrong without a appendage.

Edit: Also, what you wrote to me sounds like I could be her ideal lover but only if I had big, throbbing sausage.
 
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Jesus Christ man, this is sad. You're making me sad. I can see now that you're completely dedicated to your career of complaining about any and all content that doesn't cater specifically to you, so have fun with that.
 

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So you agree with me that the game did not take vagina only players into account as best as it could?
 

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But she is still making it all about dick. She never mentions anything else. I would assume that if you are playing as a female/cboy, ypu are doing it because tou want to. And that hearing your supposed sexfriend/lover only talk about how they want to have babies especially yours if you grow a dick... Like thanks? Would be nice if you could, you know, tell me what I can do for/to you as I am now, dickless and all, but hey, whatever turns you on more I guess.
It just makes me think that I am playing the game wrong without a appendage.

Edit: Also, what you wrote to me sounds like I could be her ideal lover but only if I had big, throbbing sausage.
Can you please take a screenshot of this implication that you speak of? I haven't been able to find it in my playthrough—but I'm not sure if it's because it doesn't exist or if I just didn't do Cait's thickening right.
 

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Jesus Christ man, this is sad. You're making me sad. I can see now that you're completely dedicated to your career of complaining about any and all content that doesn't cater specifically to you, so have fun with that.
That is basically all he does, yes.
 

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I mean look at how he speaks about bubble's content, you swear to god bubbles killed his fucking dog like hes Dio sometimes, also what the fuck cait stuff is he talking about, is it the stuff I cant see being I fluffified Cait?
 

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what the fuck cait stuff is he talking about, is it the stuff I cant see being I fluffified Cait?
Yeah once Cait gets some chunk on her she has a bit of dialogue. Our resident entitled dumbass took it as "You mean nothing to me unless you can continue my bloodline" when she actually says something more akin to "Wow I love bein' chubby, only way to get thiccer is if u knock me up haha jk.... unless?"
 

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Ah, so it is stuff that is for a Cait who is still normal, would have to check on another save to see that then.
 

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"Lithe girls are nice, but I feel <b>so fucking sexy</b> right now. Like I'm a fertility goddess with a body fit for worship."

You laugh. "I don't know how Lumia would feel about that..."

"Mmm? I think Lumia'd take one look at me right now and want to rub tummies [pc.hasCock|around your dick|around some stud's dick]. She'd... also probably try and break my brand so I can get even bigger and rounder after, but y'know. Maybe when this demon business is done, and I've finally got my sister back... maybe I'd take her up on it!"

"Is that right?"

[pc.hasRealCock|Cait grins, leaning in and cupping your crotch. "Maybe it is. I don't think I can get any bigger any other way... but I kinda want to try. {Built Mallachite temple: When it's all over, maybe I'll join Sally -- unless a certain [pc.title] happens to keep claiming my womb over and over all for [pc.himHer]self. What a shame that'd be.|At least once. If there's a particularly suitable [pc.title] around to do the job.} But that's talk for after this adventure's over, okay?"

You grin at Cait, squeezing her rear. "But it is a talk you want to have now?"

She smiles, stepping in and pressing all that delicious thickness up against you. "If you do."|Cait snickers, rocking on her heels. "{Built Mallachite temple: Perhaps I'll join Sally for a bit, renting out my womb to our friends -- unless a certain [pc.title] happens to grow a big, throbbing dick first, anyway.|Maaaaybe. If I found the right somebody. Or the right somebody grows a big, throbbing dick.} But that's talk for after this adventure's over. I can't afford to slow down now, not with Calla still missing. For now, though: I'm going to enjoy this body while I have it..."
The text in question.
 
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Huh, I had heard of PICNIC and wetware, but PEBCAK is a new one for me.
It means Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard
I mean look at how he speaks about bubble's content, you swear to god bubbles killed his fucking dog like hes Dio sometimes, also what the fuck cait stuff is he talking about, is it the stuff I cant see being I fluffified Cait?
Can you please take a screenshot of this implication that you speak of? I haven't been able to find it in my playthrough—but I'm not sure if it's because it doesn't exist or if I just didn't do Cait's thickening right.
here's your screen shot
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How should I see it? Why focus on us breeding her when we do not have necessarily equipment? Could you have not written that all her extra weight requires extra cussion to sit on and champions face seems pretty welcoming right about now?

Just seems weird to make it known how "she would like for us to grow a dick and breed her" you know? Is the only reason that people want to thicken Cait because they want to see her pregnant so it was written to account only that line of thinking?

Edit: Basically my problem comes with aforementioned focus on the dick.

When she talks about someone expiriencing her extra curves, if you have a dick, she focuses on your dick. If you do not, she focuses on someone elses dick.

If you lack in equipment department, only thing she mentiones isbhow you should grow a dick and breed her. Eithar that or how someone else may do the deed. She only cares about you in hypothetical, not what we could actually do for her.
I hope you understand what I mean.
I feel like you're really reaching with this one. I don't see the issue with Cait saying she'd like to get knocked up, specifically by you IF you ever grew a dick. She's not goading you into growing one or disparaging that you don't have one.
 

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The text in question.
Hes taking it as defacto, when it seems like she only implys wanting to be bred the fuck out of when you the PC have a cock, or is just saying things to get the champ got under there collar.
 

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First, I want to make one thing clear that my problem is also with the way this scene is structured and what it contains. Not just the pregnancy thing.

"Mmm? I think Lumia'd take one look at me right now and want to rub tummies [pc.hasCock|around your dick|around some stud's dick]. She'd... also probably try and break my brand so I can get even bigger and rounder after, but y'know. Maybe when this demon business is done, and I've finally got my sister back... maybe I'd take her up on it!"

Just a little thing, but I dislike that her entire focus is on pleasing someone else if you lack a dick. Instead of writing something along the lines "to smother you you with my extra curves" she just jumps onto thinking of pleasing someone else since you are lacking. I would be find with this if it was same for bedicked players where she thinks of screwing someone else, but no, just those without one are left out.

"Is that right?"

[pc.hasRealCock|Cait grins, leaning in and cupping your crotch. "Maybe it is. I don't think I can get any bigger any other way... but I kinda want to try. {Built Mallachite temple: When it's all over, maybe I'll join Sally -- unless a certain [pc.title] happens to keep claiming my womb over and over all for [pc.himHer]self. What a shame that'd be.|At least once. If there's a particularly suitable [pc.title] around to do the job.} But that's talk for after this adventure's over, okay?"

You grin at Cait, squeezing her rear. "But it is a talk you want to have now?"

She smiles, stepping in and pressing all that delicious thickness up against you. "If you do."

This is all good I think. It makes player feel more special that she thinks so higly of them.

|Cait snickers, rocking on her heels. "{Built Mallachite temple: Perhaps I'll join Sally for a bit, renting out my womb to our friends -- unless a certain [pc.title] happens to grow a big, throbbing dick first, anyway.|-

Now, I can get intentions behind this. That I should feel honored and happy that my only vagina having ass would make for a good sire. But at same time, the way it is worded, it almost sounds like a certainty. Especially with the "unless a certain [pc.title] happens to grow a big, throbbing dick first, anyway." since it almost sounds like an ultimatum. Grow a dick or have her get pregnant by someone else. Now, I know it is probably just ment as a teasing remark, but I am not sure if I should happy that first thing that came to her mind was "getting bred by someone else, or me if by chance I decide to grow a mushroom".

"Maaaaybe. If I found the right somebody. Or the right somebody grows a big, throbbing dick.} But that's talk for after this adventure's over. I can't afford to slow down now, not with Calla still missing. For now, though: I'm going to enjoy this body while I have it..."
Less egregious but the focus is still on us not having a dick and not on something that she can do with us.

This is where I think I and rest of you come to cross roads. I find the focus of this scene quite confusing and short sighted.

Now, I am assuming if you want a thick Cait, you are pursuing it because you like her. So, when you get her to her desired point, you will feel glad to find out that she wants to share her joys with you and rest of the cast. But especially you. Which is what, I think, the scene for bedicked PC accomplishes. It still feels like Cait but she is still making it known that you are her special someone.

Her non bedicked interactions on other hand...
First thing she thinks of is jumping on someone else dick because you lack one.
She never mentions all the fun things she can do with you as you are now. Instead of telling you how she could smoother you into her now enlarged mounds, how she can sit on your face and take you to lands unknown. Or even just feeling your hands move all over her now plump folds. But nah, all her focus is on how she would probably like to get pregnant. To keep her current form.

Now, you may think that I would see her telling me that "I would be ideal person to have children with if I had a shaft" as a compliment. Now, I am not sure how it is for everyone else, but for me? Frankly, no! No it is not. The scene is basically equating her ideal partner with them having a penis. It feels like it is telling me that my champ is lacking in something where I do not think she does.

To correlate it to something that may be more closer to you guys, it would be same as Brienne|Kiyoko constantly telling you how "We wish you had a bigger one to please us with. Haha, only joking silly. We are perfectly happy with your current endowment". Yeah, the game is not forcing you to make it bigger but you still feel like game is judging you for not having the perfectly sized one.

Or if Evelyn/Kas/any girl with a dick wished that your champion had a vagina for them to breed you.

It also seems like the game thinks that growing a penis is everyone ultimate mission.It equates penis with better. I get that I am supposed to find that a compliment, that I would be a perfect sire if I had one, but you know, I think my female champion is good as she is. She could please Cait without a possession of one.

Also, this all feels so strange coming from Cait. She enjoys dicks and she has preferences but she still tries to make sure that everyone feels welcomed and loved when they are with her. Doubly emphasized with how her scenes are pretty evenly spaced out to accommodate everyone (most of the time). Hell, she loves being smothered by either guy or a girl equally which I find adorable.
Here? She reminds me of Lusamine and Kiyoko. Just phallic objects on the brain, with a pregnant tummy as a goal to her name. Not a thought of what my female champion has between the legs. Even when she thinks of me, she thinks of me (I hate beetling this point across but oh well) with a dick.

So, in short-
The focus seems to be entierly on dicks.
Cait never mentioned my female champion, as she is now, when it comes to her future sexual escapades.
It correlates having a shaft as everyone ultimate goal. It also heavily assumes that most people would feel honored with knowledge that it would be great if they had one. And that my female, let me repeat that, female champion would find the appealing. To grow one just to make her a mother.

The way I would do this scene is focus on stuff that my champion can do for/with Cait, not what she could hypothetically do. I am once again repeating myself but have Cait comment on how she can not wait to be milked, taken care off by everyone but especially by us. Just something special that we can do with her as my champion is now. I would think that that would be the first thing that would come to someones mind when writing a sexual/teasing interaction between two girls. Not how one wishes that other had a joystick.
 
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A little clarification, isn't the Faceless Blade a nekomata?
No, Faceless Blade is a Kitsune. Talking to Kas after fighting the Demon Generl and encountering her, there's talks about soul magic and shared souls. The only race currently presented in the lore to have shared souls are the Foxen.
 
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