Your gripes with CoC II

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arch99

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I think what they're getting at here is more that there's a conflict between what the devs are saying they want players to do and what the game is encouraging them to do. Devs don't want item hording but including contextual content(even if it doesn't change anything for the overall game state) by hording some items clashes with that, especially when you consider that players who don't use the wiki or engage in the community may assume that there will be other instances where holding onto all your unique will lead to something.

That's the argument I'm taking from this at least. I don't have any strong feelings either way.
You've got it on the nose. I don't think it's a big deal, I just think it's shooting themselves in the foot from the devs, they've spoken rather aggressively on why they don't want players hoarding items, but little things like this that r4d6 dealt with are going to push players into doing that. That's all I'll say on the matter, and that's all I intend to say.
 

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Imagine that you want to sell the Bessy Mauler but you see that Hetia scene, when I wanted to sell the crossbow I would think "but if in the future there is a tank/ranged set for brint that is unlocked with it?". I guess that's the main complaint, you don't know when something will be useful to you later and it happens even with normal items, I sold the winter stems that I would need for missions later, now to farm again.
 

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Okay, looking at it from that angle, that's fair. I'm not sure how much you can do about it since a lot of things are done retroactively (like giving Elthara her scythe back, which was added eight months after the fact) but as an argument about incentivizing hoarding behavior, I concede the point.
 
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I feel like Resolve should not be removed from the game I just think it can apply status affects to your character and not like a another health bar just its own thing like if you had 20% resolve your attack chance and your mental resistance gets reduced seems unnecessary to me to remove it.
 

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I feel like Resolve should not be removed from the game I just think it can apply status affects to your character and not like a another health bar just its own thing
One of the things its removal did was streamline combat by removing what amounts to a second health meter and integrating the two systems into one. Don't hold your breath on the devs pulling a 180 and deciding to not just add it back but make combat even more complex by turning it into some sort of sliding stat multiplier that you need to manage.
 

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Fall of Eden did a thing where you would randomly lose your turn if your lust maxed out.

It was, simply put, silly and added little if anything of value.
 
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Kind of a personal gripe, but the way kitsune are treated in lieu of the japanese colonism thing is slightly off-putting.

While i get that it isn’t supposed to be an 1:1 equivalent and that’s it’s perhaps an integral part of their worldbuilding- the atrocities that imperial japan commited are very real, more recent than i’ve seen some people assume ??, and still affect people to this day. I honestly wish the writing team / devs would take that into consideration going forward especially in regards to how they’d treat a prospective pseudo-korea.

Which i’m saying because i’ve seen people talking about future plans to lump chinese mongolian and korean cultures into one nation and/or have pseudo-korea be under pseudo-japan’s foot; just seems to be in bad taste imo

Not saying that the devs need to completely revamp the kitsune or bend over backwards to appease people and be hIsToRiCalLy TaStEfUl; in fact i don’t actually see any real problem with the current floof content as-is - even if it’s iffy to me personally, it’s treated very subjectively - it’s alright ; but the general attitude i’ve seen + the aforementioned future plans are kinda eh and i really hope that it’s handled with respect going forward
 
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Acharehnus

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I mean, they're written to be like imperial Japan. People can't be shocked when someone makes the connection, surely?

You write serious stuff and people will treat it that way. It's like the fascist ants in TiTs. Not saying I necessarily agree with everything there but it's not shocking.
 

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Kind of a personal gripe, but the way kitsune are treated in lieu of the japanese colonism thing is slightly off-putting.

While i get that it isn’t supposed to be an 1:1 equivalent and that’s it’s perhaps an integral part of their worldbuilding- the atrocities that imperial japan commited are very real, more recent than i’ve seen some people assume ??, and still affect people to this day. I honestly wish the writing team / devs would take that into consideration going forward especially in regards to how they’d treat a prospective pseudo-korea.

Which i’m saying because i’ve seen people talking about future plans to lump chinese mongolian and korean cultures into one nation and/or have pseudo-korea be under pseudo-japan’s foot; just seems to be in bad taste imo

Not saying that the devs need to completely revamp the kitsune or bend over backwards to appease people and be hIsToRiCalLy TaStEfUl; in fact i don’t actually see any real problem with the current floof content as-is - even if it’s iffy to me personally, it’s treated very subjectively - it’s alright ; but the general attitude i’ve seen + the aforementioned future plans are kinda eh and i really hope that it’s handled with respect going forward
I get where you're coming from as a Korean myself. It also makes me iffy whenever imperial Japan is used in media considering the horrible stuff Japan did to Korea and other countries during WW2.

But honestly, as long as it remains purely fictional, I don't mind. It's not the 1st time media used the era of imperialism as a reference and even Acharehnus mentioned fascism/Nazis stuff (like doesn't Star Wars empire supposed to mirror the Nazis?). As long as they don't try to reenact the stuff that happened during WW2 (like as you said have pseudo-Korea or something) and tried to defend the Japanese empire or Nazis or some bs and don't actually mirror closely real-life ppl and happenings, it should be fine.

Plus, I don't think that's what Tobs intended at all. I think it was just to add some weeb stuff in this porn game.
 

pinkcaitgang

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Can I please just have the option of switching to Kasyrra's previous busts here? Clothed Kasyyra just doesn't do it for me and it seems really silly to suddenly take away that option from players. It doesnt even need to be the default.
 

arch99

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I would love a toggle somewhere in the inventory that switches the ghostlight on/off instead of it requiring a visit to Evergreen - I got the ghostlight in the first place because I don't want my champ to have a dick, and it's annoying when scenes then just start by default acting as if my champ has a dick. Being able to turn that off by default and only flick it on to access the few scenes I'd want to have it for seems much more appealing than having it always on - with the way that it's parsed in sex-scenes as-is, I see very little notable difference between just having it and growing a dick, and it's important to me to not have a dick in this game, so, yeah. I mean, I'd prefer that you can have it and have it on but narration still treats you as not having a dick up until you select a sex scene that involves you having one, but I know that's more work, so just a quick toggle in the inventory or in appearance settings or something would be absolutely great, and shouldn't require almost any rewriting, just a little coding.
 

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I would love a toggle somewhere in the inventory that switches the ghostlight on/off instead of it requiring a visit to Evergreen - I got the ghostlight in the first place because I don't want my champ to have a dick, and it's annoying when scenes then just start by default acting as if my champ has a dick. Being able to turn that off by default and only flick it on to access the few scenes I'd want to have it for seems much more appealing than having it always on - with the way that it's parsed in sex-scenes as-is, I see very little notable difference between just having it and growing a dick, and it's important to me to not have a dick in this game, so, yeah. I mean, I'd prefer that you can have it and have it on but narration still treats you as not having a dick up until you select a sex scene that involves you having one, but I know that's more work, so just a quick toggle in the inventory or in appearance settings or something would be absolutely great, and shouldn't require almost any rewriting, just a little coding.
There should already be one under the appearance menu.

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arch99

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There should already be one under the appearance menu.

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Oh my god I didn't realize? god that makes me feel stupid. Since Evergreen had an option to remove it, and I checked inv, I figured it didn't exist. I only mentioned appearance settings here cause I was thinking to myself "maybe that'd make more sense as a place to put it", and I guess I've just never opened my appearance after that. Thank you for the info, and the sorely-needed deflation to my ego I suppose lmao
 
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Lol no worries. Appearance menu wasn't my first choice to look either but I knew I'd seen it before so I just started poking around.
 

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Can I please just have the option of switching to Kasyrra's previous busts here? Clothed Kasyyra just doesn't do it for me and it seems really silly to suddenly take away that option from players. It doesnt even need to be the default.
Or if champ doesn't impregnate her daughter.. which I thought was the reason behind her being strangely dressed
 

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Can I please just have the option of switching to Kasyrra's previous busts here? Clothed Kasyyra just doesn't do it for me and it seems really silly to suddenly take away that option from players. It doesnt even need to be the default.
That's weird, that bust shouldn't be there in the first place. We'll look into it.
 
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sumdude3456

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It is kinda weird that we can't ask Aileh about Calla at all. Seems like she'd have some info because the implication is that Kasyrra was the one getting Tollus's sacrifices, so as far as champ knows, the cat ended up neck deep in Aileh's sisters when she got chucked through the portal. It's hard to balance the characterization of a romantic interest who's technically on the other side of a war because it'd narratively suck if they just spilled all the secrets and plans, but even a passing "Hey hot dragon lady, what happened to cat," "Dunno" blurb seems better than champ forgetting to ask something like that.
 

arch99

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It is kinda weird that we can't ask Aileh about Calla at all. Seems like she'd have some info because the implication is that Kasyrra was the one getting Tollus's sacrifices, so as far as champ knows, the cat ended up neck deep in Aileh's sisters when she got chucked through the portal. It's hard to balance the characterization of a romantic interest who's technically on the other side of a war because it'd narratively suck if they just spilled all the secrets and plans, but even a passing "Hey hot dragon lady, what happened to cat," "Dunno" blurb seems better than champ forgetting to ask something like that.
I don't think that portal would lead to Aileh's sisters - only the portal Kas created goes there specifically, presumably the portal she originally came through goes to a different location.
 

sumdude3456

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I don't think that portal would lead to Aileh's sisters - only the portal Kas created goes there specifically, presumably the portal she originally came through goes to a different location.
Fair point, I thought I saw a dev imply it more directly in the Discord but I could be misremembering. That being said, Aileh is also the only person that we can talk to from Mareth who might have up to date info on what might've happened to Calla so it would still make sense to ask her, at least to me.
 
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Savin

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Fair point, I thought I saw a dev imply it more directly in the Discord but I could be misremembering. That being said, Aileh is also the only person that we can talk to from Mareth who might have up to date info on what might've happened to Calla so it would still make sense to ask her, at least to me.
That is... a good point. I'll probably write something for that when I'm done with my current projects.
 

arch99

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Fair point, I thought I saw a dev imply it more directly in the Discord but I could be misremembering. That being said, Aileh is also the only person that we can talk to from Mareth who might have up to date info on what might've happened to Calla so it would still make sense to ask her, at least to me.
idk, I'm not on the discord, so I couldn't tell you anything about that. But yeah, being able to ask Aileh - or having an event where Cait does once you and Alieh have become closer, or something, makes a lot of sense to me.
 

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I would love a toggle somewhere in the inventory that switches the ghostlight on/off instead of it requiring a visit to Evergreen - I got the ghostlight in the first place because I don't want my champ to have a dick, and it's annoying when scenes then just start by default acting as if my champ has a dick. Being able to turn that off by default and only flick it on to access the few scenes I'd want to have it for seems much more appealing than having it always on - with the way that it's parsed in sex-scenes as-is, I see very little notable difference between just having it and growing a dick, and it's important to me to not have a dick in this game, so, yeah. I mean, I'd prefer that you can have it and have it on but narration still treats you as not having a dick up until you select a sex scene that involves you having one, but I know that's more work, so just a quick toggle in the inventory or in appearance settings or something would be absolutely great, and shouldn't require almost any rewriting, just a little coding.
Yeahhhh. I know that I don't refer to it turning on or existing unless the scene actually requires Champ to pitch, but that also requires parser use that's a little unusual and that not every author accounts for. The toggle in the appearance menu helps.
 

arch99

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Yeahhhh. I know that I don't refer to it turning on or existing unless the scene actually requires Champ to pitch, but that also requires parser use that's a little unusual and that not every author accounts for. The toggle in the appearance menu helps.
Yeah, I didn't know the parser existed - the ideal for me wouldn't be the ideal for everyone so this is plenty.
 

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Wait for it to be fixed.

nb: So far as I know, this isn't directed at you. I'd rather address problems to people who can code and upload something about them. Your reply just inspired me to elaborate, and made a good starting point for doing so.



Due to the time and number of game updates passed with no fix and no communication, I'm not convinced reporting and waiting is enough, or even that coders are aware of the problem - especially since I am not alone in reporting some of these errors. Even if bothering some contributing writers and/or bumping the thread daily (which might get me moderated) somehow leads to fixes (dubious), this obviously isn't something anyone should have to do.

The issue is compounded by major inconsistencies in staff behaviour when it comes to responding to bug reports and/or moving them to the "fixed" section. A few close looks at that forum can say quite a bit.

If it wasn't clear, this is also a gripe, and my gripes with the game tend to be meta. I went to quite a lot of effort picking out and reporting dozens, possibly low hundreds, of errors as I played. Though this wasn't the main reason, I stopped in part because it felt, due to few fixes and almost no communication, like most of it wasn't even noticed. What good can an unread bug report accomplish as it gets buried, sinking deeper and deeper into the bowels of the forum?

When documenting and reporting all the errors within a single branch of a single encounter can take multiple hours in some cases (typically recent or seldom-used content, e.g. Halloween Witch Kas or being caught fleeing corrupted lupines), and others can take multiple hours because I need a new game to be sure of something or to create a save, such a persistent lack of feedback or change is very discouraging to me.

I don't even know what would be reasonable to ask for, with Savin not exactly running a multi-million-euro studio. I just don't like the current situation. So I'm griping about it. In the gripes thread.

IDK.
 

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And that's fair, it's not much I can do about on my part. You're better off pinging the codestaff about it privately if you want to get a more detailed reply.
 

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My gripes is that not a lot of our bad ends involve the companions or are pretty selective. Like how Komari body possession did not take Quin into account or how the Minoguards bad ends only focuses on two most popular companions and Cait.

I do not know, when I fuck up, I want to bring others down with me, you get?
 
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