Your gripes with CoC II

[Oh Philomena]

Dude. Pursang. This is a fetish porn game primarily targeted at people who want to have sex with women.

The writers who contribute here put a lot of effort into building their world, creating great characters and giving it a sense of history, but it is all orbiting around a central directive of "make our target audience horny and create situations for sex to occur."

Why are there so many woman leaders? Because this is a fetish porn game primarily targeted at people who want to have sex with women. Why are the ingame communities relatively functional and accessible from a player perspective? Why is the war effort not given more in-depth strategic focus? Because this is a fetish porn game and not Pathologic or Civ.

Horniness is one of the least logical parts of the human experience. CoC2 is a big, horny theme park with a story that takes you from one horny attraction to the next. I like it a lot and have never really wanted or needed it to be explained beyond that.

 

[AStrangeGeek]

The writers who contribute here put a lot of effort into building their world, creating great characters and giving it a sense of history, but it is all orbiting around a central directive of "make our target audience horny and create situations for sex to occur."

I was rather surprised how much depth this game had when I decided to give it a try. There was actually a solid backplot, and Kas is not just a cardboard-cutout villain. She has some depth to her to the point that I look forward to my interactions with her. It's even solid as a plain RPG. As much as I like sexy scenes, I have to have a healthy dollop of plot to go with the sex.

That said, I do admit to being mystified over the debate here. This is indeed first and foremost a game about sex, and a fantasy world to boot that has no resemblance to Earth, so naturally things are going to be skewed towards a combination of what the authors and the majority of the players are going to find erotic. There's things in the game that are not quite my cup of tea, but I understand someone has a thing for it, so that's why it's in the game.

No game about sex is going to appeal to absolutely everyone. You'll drive yourself mad if you try to cater to everyone.

 

[WolframL]

I'm going to make one more response and then I'm going to drop this, because this is going in circles. And I'll avoid rehashing things that Tide Hunter has already addressed because I think the point has been made.

The best fantasy stories (like for instance, Lord of the Rings) use our own world as a starting point because it's extremely important to convey understanding through context, especially when things become unfamiliar and bizarre.

Yes, and Savarra does just that. It also draws on various well-established fantasy tropes, mixes them with historical models and the output is a very interesting world. And just as the game does not require an explanation for why there are orcs and dragons and catfolk and elves (none of which exist in the real world outside of stories) it does not require an explanation for why any given percentage of women have penises, or why any given state has a female in charge instead of a male, or why Hawkthorne has a racially mixed population that's getting along. Reason: BECAUSE.

Heh. When you wrote this, I'm sure you meant it as a "haha, got you!" moment - but in fact I've been thinking about contributing in the writing department for a while now.

Actually no, that is the stock response from the devs whenever someone talks about wanting specific content in the game which they don't have any plans to write and hence what others of us will suggest as well. If you think you have something to contribute, submissions are open.

That aside, you seem a little hung up on the fact that Savarra isn't the real world, even though you really should be hung up on why it doesn't make as much sense as the real world.

The 'real world' is, by definition, 100% maximally realistic. Any world we create in fiction is going to be less real and thus not match it. I see no reason to waste time getting hung up on a fictional world not matching it.

By all means, point me to a quote from Savin in which he says that CoC 2 doesn't take place in the same universe as CoC 1, or that certain characters within the game aren't from Mareth - the world that CoC 1 takes place in.

I said same world by which I meant planet, not same universe. And the devs could not be more clear on the whole 'CoC2 is not CoC1' thing.

Could you imagine if the rest of humanity shared your worldview? "Well this virus is killing all of us, we don't know why it's killing all of us as it's seemingly come out of nowhere! Oh well! It was born that way! Better not question it!" - Probably something that you would say.

Strawman arguments do not make you look cool.

Wsan doesn't have to justify why some dryad's have penises. Just like Savin doesn't have to justify why some Snow Elves have penises - but it'd be nice to get context as to why Savarra is different than Earth - so that we can better understand and appreciate the world.

Because they wrote it to be different. If you must have a Watsonian explanation, 'because the world has things ours does not like gods and magic and things evolved differently'. There you go.

Will happen? It's literally unavoidable if you want to pick it and you don't have any foreknowledge of the consequences of it other than sex. There is not a single sign-post!

Fine, I will grant you that this one case is not signposted. The rest are.

Less I involve the admins.

If I where you, I'd take the L and move on.

Really? I haven't heard someone use 'I'll tell on you!' since I was twelve. This is a forum for adults and a lot of people here are snarky. Trying to act 'tough' like this does not impress.

 

[Kyubi Xiaolong]

this is a weird one.... the fact that the kitsune mother languge is just not some random dialouge in Japanese kanji.... but i also get why its done the way it is

 

[Alypia]

this is a weird one.... the fact that the kitsune mother languge is just not some random dialouge in Japanese kanji.... but i also get why its done the way it is

The kits speaking Literally Japanese and the elves speaking Literally Swedish is a joke.

Mostly.

 

[Kyubi Xiaolong]

The kits speaking Literally Japanese and the elves speaking Literally Swedish is a joke.

Mostly.

i dont see the swedish and elf connection.... but i do see the japanese and kitsune/tanuki connection..... specially since both are japanese origin, the kitsune culture is very similar to japanese culture during the tokugawa shogunate, and their culinary and military habits.... and concept of shame and punishment are also very similar so forgive for seeing alot of my culture in them and not as a joke

 

[WolframL]

this is a weird one.... the fact that the kitsune mother languge is just not some random dialouge in Japanese kanji.... but i also get why its done the way it is

Thiink of it as Fantasy Japanese, in the same way that everyone is speaking English but the characters are probably not 'really' speaking it., except this isn't Tolkien so nobody is inventing complete languages and even he was gracious enough to 'translate' Lord of the Rings for our reading pleasure.

The main reason we don't get details on their language (not counting Silly Mode, which features some examples of actual Japanese text) is because the Champ canonically does not speak or read the language and cannot learn to do so in the handful of months during which the game takes place.

i dont see the swedish and elf connection

The boer'alvar take some cultural cues from Scandinavia (and the islander orcs take different ones) and Aly maaaay have written a few more into her scenes if you turn on Silly Mode, though they're no more canon than anything else you'll see in that mode.

...except the Silly Mode bit about never waking a sleeping cat, because that is just capital-t Truth.

 

[TheIrishOtaku]

i dont see the swedish and elf connection....

Elves are originally from Norse mythology irl which is Scandinavian and the Boreal Elves clearly have at least some Norse inspiration to them. Hence the Swedish language joke as Sweden is one of the Scandinavian countries.

 

[Alypia]

so forgive for seeing alot of my culture in them and not as a joke

Ah. I wasn't saying that Japanese culture was a joke. The floofs are very obviously Inspired By Real-World Japan. I was saying that literally speaking the exact same language as historical Japanese is a joke, because the kitsune lines only get directly translated to Japanese in Silly Mode. Same with elves and Swedish.

 

[Rudra72]

A minor, minor nitpick I have - I wish silly mode was well, a bit modular. I want to see the comedic scenes and the Easter eggs, for example, but I don't want the currency to be "fur gold"

 

[RedRoseRequiem]

I wouldn't be so upset over the loss of Berwyn if he was going to be replaced with another male character. Instead, outside of the two men in our party, 8 out of 10 companions is going to have huge tits and be a woman, dick or not, depending on your choice of Ryn. It's just incredibly frustrating to be a bi person and play this game if your preferences in porn aren't "women" and "women with dicks," especially if you want them to be more than just an enemy encounter.

 

[BadDragoon]

I wouldn't be so upset over the loss of Berwyn if he was going to be replaced with another male character.

My sentiments exactly. I get it, they are catering to their "target audience" but tbh at some point I got to wonder why they even bother with male characters at all when they get sidelined this hard. It feels like going to a buffet but all you're getting are appetizers and when you point it out the only response you get is "Why are you complaining? At least you got something to eat".

 

[Oh Philomena]

I wouldn't be so upset over the loss of Berwyn if he was going to be replaced with another male character. Instead, outside of the two men in our party, 8 out of 10 companions is going to have huge tits and be a woman, dick or not, depending on your choice of Ryn. It's just incredibly frustrating to be a bi person and play this game if your preferences in porn aren't "women" and "women with dicks," especially if you want them to be more than just an enemy encounter.

I totally feel this, although I think the Berwyn situation is best for everyone on the creative team and that's ultimately what's most important.

Brint is a great companion with tons of possible interactions, but Quint has really gotten left by the wayside and I hope that changes. (Especially since his recent updates have added in a romantic relationship with someone other than the PC, which I really do not like.) CoC is CoC and will always be weighted more heavily toward people who want to have sex with women, but it would be nice if the male characters that do exist had a little extra love put into them.

And I do (maybe incorrectly) often think that four out of the eight woman companions often feel very redundant from a personality and content perspective — I don't necessarily know what about Agni, Azyrran, Atugia or Brienne is special, unique or distinct from the others. Arona, Cait, Etheryn and Kiyoko all fill pretty different niches, but the other four kind of hover in a very similar zone imho? Selfishly, I would love to see some of the attention going to them instead going to dude characters. (Although obviously I know that's not an actual one-to-one correlation and it's not as though creative energy can actually be siphoned from, like, Agni and redirected to Quint.)

But horny is as horny does and every writer on the team deserves the chance to chase their pet project in return for all the work they do, obviously.

 

[RedRoseRequiem]

I totally feel this, although I think the Berwyn situation is best for everyone on the creative team and that's ultimately what's most important.

Brint is a great companion with tons of possible interactions, but Quint has really gotten left by the wayside and I hope that changes. (Especially since his recent updates have added in a romantic relationship with someone other than the PC, which I really do not like.) CoC is CoC and will always be weighted more heavily toward people who want to have sex with women, but it would be nice if the male characters that do exist had a little extra love put into them.

And I do (maybe incorrectly) often think that four out of the eight woman companions often feel very redundant from a personality and content perspective — I don't necessarily know what about Agni, Azyrran, Atugia or Brienne is special, unique or distinct from the others. Arona, Cait, Etheryn and Kiyoko all fill pretty different niches, but the other four kind of hover in a very similar zone imho? Selfishly, I would love to see some of the attention going to them instead going to dude characters. (Although obviously I know that's not an actual one-to-one correlation and it's not as though creative energy can actually be siphoned from, like, Agni and redirected to Quint.)

But horny is as horny does and every writer on the team deserves the chance to chase their pet project in return for all the work they do, obviously.

I don't like beefcake, so I'm stuck with Quin. Which is incredibly frustrating, because Berwyn filled a niche that's already virtually non-existent in this game, and now I'm going to get YET ANOTHER Big Titty Lady instead of a niche. Because if you choose the right options, going forward, Quin will be the ONLY non-big titty lady you can recruit. The problem is these ten companions are it, I'm going to have Quint with a bunch of extraneous big titty ladies as my options for party members because that's who the devs keep company with and the only ones who got to make companions.

And while I get the need to cut it off eventually... I also can voice my displeasure and make it clear I'm out because a lot of what I like is left out because the game caters more and more to "women and women with dicks" fetish over time, to the point that anything else DOES feel like an afterthought. Did you know you could initially softlock the game by going to have sex with Matiha and not having a dick? Kinda makes me feel like such a complete afterthought that it feels more like, "Oh, yeah, we totally have vegetarian options" and it's just a bunch of lettuce while everyone else gets full-course meals.

 

[Alypia]

Did you know you could initially softlock the game by going to have sex with Matiha and not having a dick? Kinda makes me feel like such a complete afterthought that it feels more like, "Oh, yeah, we totally have vegetarian options" and it's just a bunch of lettuce while everyone else gets full-course meals.

I want you to know that while I understand and support your unhappiness and I get feeling like an afterthought, this specific thing was just a bug. The content was written; it just wasn't hooked up properly.

I've never done so myself, but from what I understand, people who play characters with dicks have had plenty of their own softlock bugs over the years.

 

[RedRoseRequiem]

I want you to know that while I understand and support your unhappiness and I get feeling like an afterthought, this specific thing was just a bug. The content was written; it just wasn't hooked up properly.

I've never done so myself, but from what I understand, people who play characters with dicks have had plenty of their own softlock bugs over the years.

oh, I'm sure it was a bug. It's just that it somehow wasn't hooked up properly and made it out in such a way that would theoretically affect any champion with no dick. Combine that with Mayternity being 99% for dick-having PCs with a bone tossed toward pussy-having PCs occasionally, the fact that most of the companions (seriously, 7/10 with Viv?) are Big Titty Waifus, it begins to feel like you're an afterthought.

 

[Alypia]

oh, I'm sure it was a bug. It's just that it somehow wasn't hooked up properly and made it out in such a way that would theoretically affect any champion with no dick. Combine that with Mayternity being 99% for dick-having PCs with a bone tossed toward pussy-having PCs occasionally, the fact that most of the companions (seriously, 7/10 with Viv?) are Big Titty Waifus, it begins to feel like you're an afterthought.

I understand what it feels like when most of the sex content isn't for you. It's not fun. Stopping game support wasn't my response, but I get it if it feels like the one you have to take.

 

[Tide Hunter]

Because if you choose the right options, going forward, Quin will be the ONLY non-big titty lady you can recruit.

Agni and Atugia have pretty average breasts, I'd say. Still, I understand being frustrated with having so few male options.

And I do (maybe incorrectly) often think that four out of the eight woman companions often feel very redundant from a personality and content perspective — I don't necessarily know what about Agni, Azyrran, Atugia or Brienne is special, unique or distinct from the others. Arona, Cait, Etheryn and Kiyoko all fill pretty different niches, but the other four kind of hover in a very similar zone imho?

Brienne's extremely subby and loving. Azyrran's often decently reserved but has a strong will and, I think, a somewhat romantic view on things. Tugs is pretty much the "tomboy" archetype, being outspoken and somewhat masculine, with a softer side, mixed in with how she's lived for hundreds of years and is still a hothead after all that. Agni is suicidal and aggressively horny, though I've not used her enough to know more than that.

 

[RedRoseRequiem]

Agni and Atugia have pretty average breasts, I'd say. Still, I understand being frustrated with having so few male options.

Average, I guess, to people like Arona. But some of Atugia's nude art looks to be on par with me in size, and I'm uh. Deeeefinitely not "average." Likewise, while Agni's supposed to be C-cup, something about her art makes her feel like she's bustier than that--I wouldn't have guessed C-cup looking at it. In all honesty, with both their art, it FEELS very much a case of "boobs look smaller because they're stacked with muscle, too."

 

[HK-47]

I wouldn't be so upset over the loss of Berwyn if he was going to be replaced with another male character. Instead, outside of the two men in our party, 8 out of 10 companions is going to have huge tits and be a woman, dick or not, depending on your choice of Ryn. It's just incredibly frustrating to be a bi person and play this game if your preferences in porn aren't "women" and "women with dicks," especially if you want them to be more than just an enemy encounter.

Mhmm, same though. I mean, I get why it was done from a development perspective, but the fact that the male companion count dropped is quite discouraging, when it was already ridiculously weighted towards female characters.

Then to have Berry replaced with yet another female character down the road? Come on, we get you guys have a whole thing there, but damn, you’re kinda beating a dead horse at this point. A little variety hardly hurts anyone.

 

[CitrusWolf]

hey as much as I agree with feeling underfed, this is pretty much a dead topic at this point, you have not been the first that feels bored at the lack of characters you are interested in, you will not be the last that dislikes how the game is 99% penis wielding player oriented, but it's just naught salt at this point, it doesn't matter as it isn't what the devs want and its not something community writers have interest in pursuing for no coin.

 

[RedRoseRequiem]

hey as much as I agree with feeling underfed, this is pretty much a dead topic at this point, you have not been the first that feels bored at the lack of characters you are interested in, you will not be the last that dislikes how the game is 99% penis wielding player oriented, but it's just naught salt at this point, it doesn't matter as it isn't what the devs want and its not something community writers have interest in pursuing for no coin.

Hence why I've already said I'm moving on and taking my money with me.

 

[CitrusWolf]

Hence why I've already said I'm moving on and taking my money with me.

if you do find some good fem pc content games do tell me I crave for such

 

[RedRoseRequiem]

if you do find some good fem pc content games do tell me I crave for such

Will do. I've pretty much been putting up with TITS and COC2 because it at least gives me options which not a lot of games do. The frustrations have just piled up too high, at this point.

 

[WolframL]

Then to have Berry replaced with yet another female character down the road? Come on, we get you guys have a whole thing there, but damn, you’re kinda beating a dead horse at this point. A little variety hardly hurts anyone.

The problem is, as already mentioned, that the majority of the people trusted to write companions wanted to write females. As companions are huge commitments and passion projects, it wouldn't be fair to tell someone that they have to write something they aren't invested in, for 'variety'.

And just to be clear, Berwyn isn't being 'replaced' by Viv in the sense that she was written as a companion because he was being dropped, it's just that she fills a similar party niche. Viv is being written as a companion because that's what Balak wanted to do. The earliest he mentioned wanting to write Viv as his companion (on his Patreon) was months before Hugs left, so it was something he decided completely in isolation from anything to do with Berwyn. I get that it might look like he's being replaced by a female character if you look at it out of context, but that's not really the case.

 

[AStrangeGeek]

Average, I guess, to people like Arona. But some of Atugia's nude art looks to be on par with me in size, and I'm uh. Deeeefinitely not "average." Likewise, while Agni's supposed to be C-cup, something about her art makes her feel like she's bustier than that--I wouldn't have guessed C-cup looking at it. In all honesty, with both their art, it FEELS very much a case of "boobs look smaller because they're stacked with muscle, too."

To be fair, I think all the bust sizes in the art are somewhat inflated. When an NPC was introduced with D-cup tits, I looked askance at the art and said "Uhh, I know what D-cups look like. My wife is a D-cup, and they ain't nearly THAT large."

 

[RedRoseRequiem]

To be fair, I think all the bust sizes in the art are somewhat inflated. When an NPC was introduced with D-cup tits, I looked askance at the art and said "Uhh, I know what D-cups look like. My wife is a D-cup, and they ain't nearly THAT large."

Which is fair, but it's also very much a case of it leading into feeling like your entire party aside from two people is Big Titty Waifu.

 

[AStrangeGeek]

Which is fair, but it's also very much a case of it leading into feeling like your entire party aside from two people is Big Titty Waifu.

A fair point. I'm inherently biased, of course, because I'm a straight male. I realize full well that the game tends to cater to people like me. Even when I play as a female character, I have her tend to go after the girls as well as the boys.

 

[HK-47]

hey as much as I agree with feeling underfed, this is pretty much a dead topic at this point, you have not been the first that feels bored at the lack of characters you are interested in, you will not be the last that dislikes how the game is 99% penis wielding player oriented, but it's just naught salt at this point, it doesn't matter as it isn't what the devs want and its not something community writers have interest in pursuing for no coin.

I mean, it’d be more accurate to say hetero or heteroflexible penis-wielding players if we’re being honest here. Meanwhile, my gay ass is admittedly quite salty over the whole thing. I do get the devs have their whole favored flavors of NPCs, just irked that there isn’t a touch more variety.

The problem is, as already mentioned, that the majority of the people trusted to write companions wanted to write females. As companions are huge commitments and passion projects, it wouldn't be fair to tell someone that they have to write something they aren't invested in, for 'variety'.

And just to be clear, Berwyn isn't being 'replaced' by Viv in the sense that she was written as a companion because he was being dropped, it's just that she fills a similar party niche. Viv is being written as a companion because that's what Balak wanted to do. The earliest he mentioned wanting to write Viv as his companion (on his Patreon) was months before Hugs left, so it was something he decided completely in isolation from anything to do with Berwyn. I get that it might look like he's being replaced by a female character if you look at it out of context, but that's not really the case.

That’s fair, and in hindsight what I said was poorly worded in that regard. The whole situation is just frustrating, when things are already overwhelmingly weighted in that direction.

 

[CitrusWolf]

I mean, it’d be more accurate to say hetero or heteroflexible penis-wielding players if we’re being honest here. Meanwhile, my gay ass is admittedly quite salty over the whole thing. I do get the devs have their whole favored flavors of NPCs, just irked that there isn’t a touch more variety.

fair enough, I made the wrong assumption that everyone here with a penis was at least bi, my bad