Your gripes with CoC II
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It's just not how they think of the character I guess? Author's comments with spoilers regarding character future below.
Quin's only intention down the road for catching is literally after he has become your husband and it is solely because you ask. It will be like literally one scene.
Now, powerbottoming him will be an option, so you can be the dom one. But he is intended for people who want dick inside them.
Can't we already power-bottom him? His riding scene?
When was that decided? The ingame text makes it pretty flirty whenever his ass comes into question.
You mean Hime? Because its not proper, the only one who should be touching your tails are your significant other, or be a fucking patslut like the champ.
Well that's nice, but it's not to my tastes. Guess I'll be avoiding Quin until they make some advancements with his content.
to give the least biased reasoning you'll probably find, Hugs has anger issues, and while he works to keep them in check, he left of his own free will many times only to return after a few months. The last time this happened, he gave his companion to B. He will tell a vastly different version of this story where his companion was stolen and he was laughed at for his mental health.
for a little more personal bias imo hugs was a really good author, but he has a hard time completing projects and likes to do small things with no reason to exist in universe, and melts down whenever a project is questioned or doesn't go exactly how he wants it to. he was impossible to work with because he was both so inconsistent in ability to complete projects, and because he wouldn't accept any change to his work. I'm sad that he was unable to continue working with us, but he showed no intention of long term change, only short term.
Ok, so I'm sorry but I want to go back to the Ryn thing. I'm not bothered about what in particular Etheryn wants—I'm invested and just want her to be happy and comfortable with who she is! I mean, after a certain point, she is happy, but she still seems to have some lingering doubts and worries, some of which I saw as being resolved by reaching closure about her sister (probably after a final confrontation), removing her cage, and possibly get a vagina. The main thing which lead me to believe she would like to change her body more (as in, get that va-jay-jay), was in her lingerie scene, she says "And if I'm wearing them, maybe I can forget... really feel like a woman." I think before that, I figured she only wanted to remove the cage, but that line kind of solidified for me that she wants more. So, now I'm kind of confused. I guess it related more to the trauma caused by her sister than actually wanting female genitalia...?
Also, not to be annoying, but after Palace of Ice, I don't have a dialogue option for "The Cage". Is it perhaps one-time only, and I don't remember it? I tried to go read it, but I couldn't ;-;
Also, also. Um, long-time player of TiTS and now CoC2, but first time posting. It's a classic story... So hi <.<
Also, not to be annoying, but after Palace of Ice, I don't have a dialogue option for "The Cage". Is it perhaps one-time only, and I don't remember it? I tried to go read it, but I couldn't ;-;
Also, also. Um, long-time player of TiTS and now CoC2, but first time posting. It's a classic story... So hi <.<
Yeah...Ryn just going to be doing that anytime soon. Like, ever. While I can't give you a clear answer (mostly cause it's pretty muddled for me atm) asking for it to be a thing tends to get people riled up, just as a warning.
You might find this post of interest. Ryn likes to look and feel sexy and femme but it has absolutely nothing to do with her wanting a vagina (or not wanting her penis)... and she states explicitly that she does not want a vagina. And Savin's stated multiple times that it's not happening.
I think it only appears if you've done the conversation about the cage with Evergreen first, which in turn requires you to do the Alchemy talk with Ryn.
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I mean it happens because its something that has been stated so many times that its not going to happen, I get being new to a forum but its just literally written in text that you should fucking know better.
The canon reason is Ryn doesn't want to but the writing reason is clearly stated that he just doesn't want to because she has so many. Let's not pretend that the lore reason isn't an excuse or that her personality isn't determined by the writers. It's a very REASONABLE and UNDERSTANDABLE excuse though. Like god damn have you seen what writers need to go through and how much content they'd have to take into account? I don't blame Savin or any other writer really!
I guess that'd be a gripe if anything, though not a particularly serious one. So many variables, while great, does seem to be a burden on the writers and it's only gonna get worse from here as they continue to write. I'd imagine a vagina would have to also take into account pregnancy stages, variations on whether she'd have had kids by then or not, scene variations taking into account both of those things simultaneously, future scenes taking into account all of those things, etc. It's no wonder nobody wants to touch that.
Well yes, but basically everything in a fictional setting comes down to 'what the writer wants to do' so that's not really a helpful statement now is it?
And as the writers have made clear multiple times, how they envision characters is as important as pedestrian 'that would be a lot of work' reasons. So even if you could wave a magic wand and give the writers infinite time to make all the variations that would be required for [Insert TF Here] they still wouldn't be interested in doing it. Here for example is Tobs (at the very end of the post) making the point that they wouldn't let anyone change the gender of their characters because that would go against how they see them.
And 'I imagine Character X in this way and don't have any interest in changing that even if someone else volunteered to do the work for free, and by the way here's their in-universe justification if you insist on one' doesn't sound reasonable?
The reason that writers usually couch this particular conversation in terms of what Etheryn does or does not want to do is because the most common argument given by people who want her to have a pussy and no penis is "because she [supposedly] wants to", and the second-most is "because it would help her". Neither of those things holds much water if you point out that this isn't what she wants: that people are misinterpreting "I want to (continue to) have she/her pronouns and feel like a woman" to mean "I don't want to have a penis and I do want to have a pussy".
Otherwise we wouldn't bother bringing it up.
EDIT: But, y'know, beyond that, it is relevant to point out that some characters are comfortable in the parts and gender identity that they have. Berwyn says that he doesn't really care that much about his parts and his body anymore; Etheryn does. Those character tidbits do matter. They don't automatically take people off the list for noncon gender swapping or parts changing in these games, sure. But they ought to reduce the number of people who ask about it.
Short and to the point is good, though.
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Poor Ryn. She can't escape people trying to dictate her life outside of the game. Her tragic backstory will never end.
Even if fantasy porn allows for more body variables which can be enjoyed regardless of one's attraction towards typical masculine/femenine shapes, there will be people who'll think "Ewww penis, gross and homosexual! Not for my waifu!!" when confronted with female herms, especially if they can't detach genitalia combinations from real life.
Personally, I don't think this crowd will vanish anytime soon. Of course, one can still try to change their minds, and I wish the best concerning such endeavour.
To be fair, when the game is called Corruption of Champions 2 and you have a character like Ryn who is devoted to player and their wants and is easily influenced by them, especially in her low confidence state, can you wonder why people ask for dedicking option? Especially if you have a literal dream where our champion forces Ryn into growing a pussy. And considering that you have a prerequisite in beliving that such thing should be posible with our two other bedicked companions, Brint and Berwyn, serving as examples, why would people assume otherwise.
And also, I feel that both Ryn and Berwyn have same amount of gender conformity and security. I do not see how transforming Berwyn is more excusable than transforming Ryn. Hell, if I am going by text and in game presentation , I feel like the dog boy has more going for him to stay as he is than Ryn does. Considering that you can already feminize Ryn even more by growing out her ass and breasts.
I already said how I find trying to qually ingame reasoning for something as undisputed fact a fools errand (especially with a game that is still in development as shown by once again, the Best boy Berwyn). As long as the game does not break the forth wall and personally slap the playerbase with the prospect of Ryn not gaining vagina, people are gonna keep asking. Especially if the end game plans with Ryn come into fruition which would probably make the plees for futa/female Ryn even more pronounced. What do you expect?
And also, I feel that both Ryn and Berwyn have same amount of gender conformity and security. I do not see how transforming Berwyn is more excusable than transforming Ryn. Hell, if I am going by text and in game presentation , I feel like the dog boy has more going for him to stay as he is than Ryn does. Considering that you can already feminize Ryn even more by growing out her ass and breasts.
I already said how I find trying to qually ingame reasoning for something as undisputed fact a fools errand (especially with a game that is still in development as shown by once again, the Best boy Berwyn). As long as the game does not break the forth wall and personally slap the playerbase with the prospect of Ryn not gaining vagina, people are gonna keep asking. Especially if the end game plans with Ryn come into fruition which would probably make the plees for futa/female Ryn even more pronounced. What do you expect?
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In Ryn's case I'd say it has plenty of justification. Especially considering it could be yet another place of attack or abuse in the mind of someone who not only sees how aggressive and evil people can be sexually thanks to her history with her sister and the various bands of enemies she encounters with the player. Stuff like this though could also be addressed in endings and the like, I assume, since at that point variables are less of a concern and the unfortunate realities of mental healthy and recovery don't need really need focus in a light hearted adventure porn game.
I am pleased to inform you that it will apparently be an option in the future, but
only if we put a ring on him first.
And this sort of thing is why the dream where the Champion can remove her penis and give her a vagina is gated behind extremely high Corruption and reads like a rape scene. Dream-Champ is ignoring Ryn's own desires and forcibly turning her into what they want rather than what she wants.
I'm glad stuff like this doesn't get much focus. While another option for kids with Ryn would be nice, I understand writers simply don't want to deal with more variables that comes with fertility but I kinda wish the reason was less dark and more "Eh, just don't feel like it. No big deal." Not like it's abnormal for non-standard genitals or people to modify themselves if they really wanted.
Can't say that I like it putting something simple as fucking/pegging a bunny boy behind stuff like marriage since it kind of makes him look silly/ more of a drama queen, well, compared to how he already is. Especially with how he has no qualms of knocking up every girl he gets his crabby little hands on but just sticking in up his bunny trail requires something as committal as marriage. Over-emphasis the act of penetrating someone compared to bottoming to them. Which is what I also find iffy with other half of companions Brint/Arona/Berwyn/Cait. Not counting rest of the game. Just makes it feel like your bottoming champion is nothing special compared to their penetrating counterpart.
Edit: Not saying that it is not nice reward for those that find Quinn romantically compelling. Giving people options is almost always positive. I am just tired of this over-glorification of penetrative acts that is all.
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You know, I'd really like someone to add the option that was in TiTS to turn off the "Scene By: xxxxxx" bit. It really takes me out of the game.
I'd much rather view the whole game as one whole thing.
Plus now I start seeing someone's name next to a new character or plotline and judging it based on what I know that writer makes rather than having to actually explore and discover what's possible. It's minor and I know you want to give credit to the writers , I don't want credits removed from the game, but I think player immersion should be priority and that option really helped me.
I'd much rather view the whole game as one whole thing.
Plus now I start seeing someone's name next to a new character or plotline and judging it based on what I know that writer makes rather than having to actually explore and discover what's possible. It's minor and I know you want to give credit to the writers , I don't want credits removed from the game, but I think player immersion should be priority and that option really helped me.
And that's why options are nice. You keep them on, I'll turn them off.
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