Your gripes with CoC II

[WolframL]

Let's not pretend that the lore reason isn't an excuse or that her personality isn't determined by the writers.

Well yes, but basically everything in a fictional setting comes down to 'what the writer wants to do' so that's not really a helpful statement now is it? And as the writers have made clear multiple times, how they envision characters is as important as pedestrian 'that would be a lot of work' reasons. So even if you could wave a magic wand and give the writers infinite time to make all the variations that would be required for [Insert TF Here] they still wouldn't be interested in doing it. Here for example is Tobs (at the very end of the post) making the point that they wouldn't let anyone change the gender of their characters because that would go against how they see them.

 

[Kesil]

The issue is that saying "Ryn thinks x" or "Ryn doesn't want to y" sounds as if the character was beaming thoughts straight to the writer XD Whereas saying "we wish to stay focused, too many branches, please understand" sounds reasonable.

 

[WolframL]

And 'I imagine Character X in this way and don't have any interest in changing that even if someone else volunteered to do the work for free, and by the way here's their in-universe justification if you insist on one' doesn't sound reasonable?

 

[Kesil]

It's a more long-winded one. And, considering how often this issue pops up, keeping it short and to the point is vital

 

[Alypia]

The issue is that saying "Ryn thinks x" or "Ryn doesn't want to y" sounds as if the character was beaming thoughts straight to the writer XD Whereas saying "we wish to stay focused, too many branches, please understand" sounds reasonable.

The reason that writers usually couch this particular conversation in terms of what Etheryn does or does not want to do is because the most common argument given by people who want her to have a pussy and no penis is "because she [supposedly] wants to", and the second-most is "because it would help her". Neither of those things holds much water if you point out that this isn't what she wants: that people are misinterpreting "I want to (continue to) have she/her pronouns and feel like a woman" to mean "I don't want to have a penis and I do want to have a pussy".

Otherwise we wouldn't bother bringing it up.

EDIT: But, y'know, beyond that, it is relevant to point out that some characters are comfortable in the parts and gender identity that they have. Berwyn says that he doesn't really care that much about his parts and his body anymore; Etheryn does. Those character tidbits do matter. They don't automatically take people off the list for noncon gender swapping or parts changing in these games, sure. But they ought to reduce the number of people who ask about it.

Short and to the point is good, though.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Poor Ryn. She can't escape people trying to dictate her life outside of the game. Her tragic backstory will never end.

 

[Kesil]

The reason that writers usually couch this particular conversation in terms of what Etheryn does or does not want to do is because the most common argument given by people who want her to have a pussy and no penis is "because she [supposedly] wants to", and the second-most is "because it would help her". Neither of those things holds much water if you point out that this isn't what she wants: that people are misinterpreting "I want to (continue to) have she/her pronouns and feel like a woman" to mean "I don't want to have a penis and I do want to have a pussy".

Even if fantasy porn allows for more body variables which can be enjoyed regardless of one's attraction towards typical masculine/femenine shapes, there will be people who'll think "Ewww penis, gross and homosexual! Not for my waifu!!" when confronted with female herms, especially if they can't detach genitalia combinations from real life.

Personally, I don't think this crowd will vanish anytime soon. Of course, one can still try to change their minds, and I wish the best concerning such endeavour.

 

[Animalistic]

To be fair, when the game is called Corruption of Champions 2 and you have a character like Ryn who is devoted to player and their wants and is easily influenced by them, especially in her low confidence state, can you wonder why people ask for dedicking option? Especially if you have a literal dream where our champion forces Ryn into growing a pussy. And considering that you have a prerequisite in beliving that such thing should be posible with our two other bedicked companions, Brint and Berwyn, serving as examples, why would people assume otherwise.

And also, I feel that both Ryn and Berwyn have same amount of gender conformity and security. I do not see how transforming Berwyn is more excusable than transforming Ryn. Hell, if I am going by text and in game presentation , I feel like the dog boy has more going for him to stay as he is than Ryn does. Considering that you can already feminize Ryn even more by growing out her ass and breasts.

I already said how I find trying to qually ingame reasoning for something as undisputed fact a fools errand (especially with a game that is still in development as shown by once again, the Best boy Berwyn). As long as the game does not break the forth wall and personally slap the playerbase with the prospect of Ryn not gaining vagina, people are gonna keep asking. Especially if the end game plans with Ryn come into fruition which would probably make the plees for futa/female Ryn even more pronounced. What do you expect?

 

[VVV]

The reason that writers usually couch this particular conversation in terms of what Etheryn does or does not want to do is because the most common argument given by people who want her to have a pussy and no penis is "because she [supposedly] wants to", and the second-most is "because it would help her". Neither of those things holds much water if you point out that this isn't what she wants: that people are misinterpreting "I want to (continue to) have she/her pronouns and feel like a woman" to mean "I don't want to have a penis and I do want to have a pussy".

Otherwise we wouldn't bother bringing it up.

EDIT: But, y'know, beyond that, it is relevant to point out that some characters are comfortable in the parts and gender identity that they have. Berwyn says that he doesn't really care that much about his parts and his body anymore; Etheryn does. Those character tidbits do matter. They don't automatically take people off the list for noncon gender swapping or parts changing in these games, sure. But they ought to reduce the number of people who ask about it.

Short and to the point is good, though.

In Ryn's case I'd say it has plenty of justification. Especially considering it could be yet another place of attack or abuse in the mind of someone who not only sees how aggressive and evil people can be sexually thanks to her history with her sister and the various bands of enemies she encounters with the player. Stuff like this though could also be addressed in endings and the like, I assume, since at that point variables are less of a concern and the unfortunate realities of mental healthy and recovery don't need really need focus in a light hearted adventure porn game.

 

[briarrosé]

Doubt

Also the whole Quinn not enjoying bottoming seems weird. Considering that there are a lot of scenes where Quinn teases and text puts focus on his ass. Hope he reconsiders since, well, it would be nice.

I am pleased to inform you that it will apparently be an option in the future, but

Spoiler

only if we put a ring on him first.

 

[WolframL]

In Ryn's case I'd say it has plenty of justification. Especially considering it could be yet another place of attack or abuse in the mind of someone who not only sees how aggressive and evil people can be sexually thanks to her history with her sister and the various bands of enemies she encounters with the player.

And this sort of thing is why the dream where the Champion can remove her penis and give her a vagina is gated behind extremely high Corruption and reads like a rape scene. Dream-Champ is ignoring Ryn's own desires and forcibly turning her into what they want rather than what she wants.

 

[VVV]

And this sort of thing is why the dream where the Champion can remove her penis and give her a vagina is gated behind extremely high Corruption and reads like a rape scene. Dream-Champ is ignoring Ryn's own desires and forcibly turning her into what they want rather than what she wants.

I'm glad stuff like this doesn't get much focus. While another option for kids with Ryn would be nice, I understand writers simply don't want to deal with more variables that comes with fertility but I kinda wish the reason was less dark and more "Eh, just don't feel like it. No big deal." Not like it's abnormal for non-standard genitals or people to modify themselves if they really wanted.

 

[Animalistic]

only if we put a ring on him first.

Can't say that I like it putting something simple as fucking/pegging a bunny boy behind stuff like marriage since it kind of makes him look silly/ more of a drama queen, well, compared to how he already is. Especially with how he has no qualms of knocking up every girl he gets his crabby little hands on but just sticking in up his bunny trail requires something as committal as marriage. Over-emphasis the act of penetrating someone compared to bottoming to them. Which is what I also find iffy with other half of companions Brint/Arona/Berwyn/Cait. Not counting rest of the game. Just makes it feel like your bottoming champion is nothing special compared to their penetrating counterpart.

Edit: Not saying that it is not nice reward for those that find Quinn romantically compelling. Giving people options is almost always positive. I am just tired of this over-glorification of penetrative acts that is all.

 

[Gennevie]

You know, I'd really like someone to add the option that was in TiTS to turn off the "Scene By: xxxxxx" bit. It really takes me out of the game.
I'd much rather view the whole game as one whole thing.

Plus now I start seeing someone's name next to a new character or plotline and judging it based on what I know that writer makes rather than having to actually explore and discover what's possible. It's minor and I know you want to give credit to the writers , I don't want credits removed from the game, but I think player immersion should be priority and that option really helped me.

 

[wery12345]

Nah, considering the amount of times ive flubbed up by guessing the wrong writer by ignoring it I like it. Also at this point most people know who writes what.

 

[Gennevie]

Nah, considering the amount of times ive flubbed up by guessing the wrong writer by ignoring it I like it. Also at this point most people know who writes what.

And that's why options are nice. You keep them on, I'll turn them off.

 

[wery12345]

Also theres only like 6/7 main writers for this game and like I said before you will know instantly who wrote what because a lot of major content areas tend to be bulk of a single writer. Like Wsan so far has done most of Kor that we have.

 

[Gennevie]

Also theres only like 6/7 main writers for this game and like I said before you will know instantly who wrote what because a lot of major content areas tend to be bulk of a single writer. Like Wsan so far has done most of Kor that we have.

Why are you trying to convince me that I don't want a feature that I definitely want and doesn't negatively affect anyone?

 

[Bast]

Just when I started getting used to the new Brienne art, I find out that there's no cowprint bra variant for pregnant Brienne. FeelsBadMan

 

[HK-47]

Well that's nice, but it's not to my tastes. Guess I'll be avoiding Quin until they make some advancements with his content.

Same though. Total tops/bottoms are boring imo. Verse folk ftw

 

[HK-47]

So, slightly different subject, but I am deeply baffled as to what is going on with the game’s tech level. We see a fair amount of Bronze Age equipment, and I get that the setting is somewhat like the Dark Ages post Gods War, but the use iron & steel should be way more common, and bronzeworking very limited. My reasoning is that the Belharan Empire was at the very least at a near-late Middle Ages equivalent given their ability to make longswords (i.e. Lusina’s claymore), even if they were noted as being rare. That would mean that steel smithing was the norm throughout the Empire for weaponry/armor, and iron the norm for tools/fittings/etc. Even with the loss of knowledge involved from the aforementioned societal collapse, it shouldn’t of regressed that much unless somehow every single smith and scholar familiar with metallurgy also conveniently vanished

 

[Spidereggs]

So, slightly different subject, but I am deeply baffled as to what is going on with the game’s tech level. We see a fair amount of Bronze Age equipment, and I get that the setting is somewhat like a Dark Ages post Gods War, but the use iron & steel should be way more common, and bronzeworking very limited. My reasoning is that the Belharan Empire was at the very least at a near-late Middle Ages equivalent given their ability to make longswords (i.e. Lusina’s claymore), even if they were noted as being rare. That would mean that steel smithing was the norm throughout the Empire for weaponry/armor, and iron the norm for tools/fittings/etc. Even with the loss of knowledge involved from the aforementioned societal collapse, it shouldn’t of regressed that much unless somehow every single smith and scholar familiar with metallurgy also conveniently vanished

Bronze is (generally) superior to iron, actually, the reason the use of bronze fell historically was because the trade routes connecting sources of tin and copper collapsed. Steel, on the other hand, is yet another story.

 

[HK-47]

Bronze is (generally) superior to iron, actually, the reason the use of bronze fell historically was because the trade routes connecting sources of tin and copper collapsed. Steel, on the other hand, is yet another story.

Generally speaking it’s moderately better for armor, but is decidedly worse for weapons. Iron is stronger, doesn’t bend as easily, holds an edge better, and becomes stronger still with the introduction of carbon to a blade during repairs.

Edit: That said, the point is kind of moot, since as you said steel is another story. Really, given the Empire’s implied tech level, we should be seeing a lot more steel weapons, in particular the Roman spatha (the precursor to the European arming sword & Viking Ulfberht), which replaced the gladius as the Legions’ primary bladed weapon, if the writing team wants to stick to the whole Belhar being a Roman Empire expy bit.

 

[TheIrishOtaku]

So, slightly different subject, but I am deeply baffled as to what is going on with the game’s tech level. We see a fair amount of Bronze Age equipment, and I get that the setting is somewhat like the Dark Ages post Gods War, but the use iron & steel should be way more common, and bronzeworking very limited. My reasoning is that the Belharan Empire was at the very least at a near-late Middle Ages equivalent given their ability to make longswords (i.e. Lusina’s claymore), even if they were noted as being rare. That would mean that steel smithing was the norm throughout the Empire for weaponry/armor, and iron the norm for tools/fittings/etc. Even with the loss of knowledge involved from the aforementioned societal collapse, it shouldn’t of regressed that much unless somehow every single smith and scholar familiar with metallurgy also conveniently vanished

Anytime you see something that doesn't make sense, a wizard did it.

 

[HK-47]

Anytime you see something that doesn't make sense, a wizard did it.

That’s certainly one way of looking at it Maybe it’s a bit silly to complain about, given the nature of the game, I’m just a bit of history buff, so that little gem threw me through a loop.

 

[TheIrishOtaku]

That’s certainly one way of looking at it Maybe it’s a bit silly to complain about, given the nature of the game, I’m just a bit of history buff, so that little gem threw me through a loop.

I'm a history buff too so I know how you feel. I was making a Simpsons reference lol.

 

[HK-47]

Can't say that I like it putting something simple as fucking/pegging a bunny boy behind stuff like marriage since it kind of makes him look silly/ more of a drama queen, well, compared to how he already is. Especially with how he has no qualms of knocking up every girl he gets his crabby little hands on but just sticking in up his bunny trail requires something as committal as marriage. Over-emphasis the act of penetrating someone compared to bottoming to them. Which is what I also find iffy with other half of companions Brint/Arona/Berwyn/Cait. Not counting rest of the game. Just makes it feel like your bottoming champion is nothing special compared to their penetrating counterpart.

Edit: Not saying that it is not nice reward for those that find Quinn romantically compelling. Giving people options is almost always positive. I am just tired of this over-glorification of penetrative acts that is all.

Not too mention the elements of bottom shaming involved, particularly in some of Quinn’s dialogue. Really not a fan of that. There are a few scenes were you can power bottom various characters (which is great), but there is definitely a recurring trend of bottoming = weakness/submissiveness popping up with certain characters.

 

[wery12345]

The reason why the tech level is so over the place because not only did the gods war blow tech back by decades, it also killed a huge amount of the population of the world, literally was the most one sided war until the gods manifested.

 

[HK-47]

The reason why the tech level is so over the place because not only did the gods war blow tech back by decades, it also killed a huge amount of the population of the world, literally was the most one sided war until the gods manifested.

I mean, it’s more like 1500-2000 years, as opposed to decades, given the sheer disparity between what the Empire is implied to have had by certain items, and what we’re seeing as far as equipment goes with mostly Bronze Age stuff with some re-emerging iron working. It just seems a ludicrously excessive regression, since iron & steel working would have been so common pre-Gods War.

 

[Savin]

My reasoning is that the Belharan Empire was at the very least at a near-late Middle Ages equivalent given their ability to make longswords (i.e. Lusina’s claymore)

They weren't, and they didn't. Belhar was in the iron age. Lusina's claymore came through a portal from another world, same as Kas and her axe. I think one of her talks mentions as much explicitly.