Also theres only like 6/7 main writers for this game and like I said before you will know instantly who wrote what because a lot of major content areas tend to be bulk of a single writer. Like Wsan so far has done most of Kor that we have.
Your gripes with CoC II
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Why are you trying to convince me that I don't want a feature that I definitely want and doesn't negatively affect anyone?
Just when I started getting used to the new Brienne art, I find out that there's no cowprint bra variant for pregnant Brienne. FeelsBadMan
Same though. Total tops/bottoms are boring imo. Verse folk ftw
So, slightly different subject, but I am deeply baffled as to what is going on with the game’s tech level. We see a fair amount of Bronze Age equipment, and I get that the setting is somewhat like the Dark Ages post Gods War, but the use iron & steel should be way more common, and bronzeworking very limited. My reasoning is that the Belharan Empire was at the very least at a near-late Middle Ages equivalent given their ability to make longswords (i.e. Lusina’s claymore), even if they were noted as being rare. That would mean that steel smithing was the norm throughout the Empire for weaponry/armor, and iron the norm for tools/fittings/etc. Even with the loss of knowledge involved from the aforementioned societal collapse, it shouldn’t of regressed that much unless somehow every single smith and scholar familiar with metallurgy also conveniently vanished
Bronze is (generally) superior to iron, actually, the reason the use of bronze fell historically was because the trade routes connecting sources of tin and copper collapsed. Steel, on the other hand, is yet another story.So, slightly different subject, but I am deeply baffled as to what is going on with the game’s tech level. We see a fair amount of Bronze Age equipment, and I get that the setting is somewhat like a Dark Ages post Gods War, but the use iron & steel should be way more common, and bronzeworking very limited. My reasoning is that the Belharan Empire was at the very least at a near-late Middle Ages equivalent given their ability to make longswords (i.e. Lusina’s claymore), even if they were noted as being rare. That would mean that steel smithing was the norm throughout the Empire for weaponry/armor, and iron the norm for tools/fittings/etc. Even with the loss of knowledge involved from the aforementioned societal collapse, it shouldn’t of regressed that much unless somehow every single smith and scholar familiar with metallurgy also conveniently vanished
Generally speaking it’s moderately better for armor, but is decidedly worse for weapons. Iron is stronger, doesn’t bend as easily, holds an edge better, and becomes stronger still with the introduction of carbon to a blade during repairs.
Edit: That said, the point is kind of moot, since as you said steel is another story. Really, given the Empire’s implied tech level, we should be seeing a lot more steel weapons, in particular the Roman spatha (the precursor to the European arming sword & Viking Ulfberht), which replaced the gladius as the Legions’ primary bladed weapon, if the writing team wants to stick to the whole Belhar being a Roman Empire expy bit.
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Anytime you see something that doesn't make sense, a wizard did it.So, slightly different subject, but I am deeply baffled as to what is going on with the game’s tech level. We see a fair amount of Bronze Age equipment, and I get that the setting is somewhat like the Dark Ages post Gods War, but the use iron & steel should be way more common, and bronzeworking very limited. My reasoning is that the Belharan Empire was at the very least at a near-late Middle Ages equivalent given their ability to make longswords (i.e. Lusina’s claymore), even if they were noted as being rare. That would mean that steel smithing was the norm throughout the Empire for weaponry/armor, and iron the norm for tools/fittings/etc. Even with the loss of knowledge involved from the aforementioned societal collapse, it shouldn’t of regressed that much unless somehow every single smith and scholar familiar with metallurgy also conveniently vanished
That’s certainly one way of looking at it
Maybe it’s a bit silly to complain about, given the nature of the game, I’m just a bit of history buff, so that little gem threw me through a loop.
I'm a history buff too so I know how you feel. I was making a Simpsons reference lol.That’s certainly one way of looking at it
Not too mention the elements of bottom shaming involved, particularly in some of Quinn’s dialogue. Really not a fan of that. There are a few scenes were you can power bottom various characters (which is great), but there is definitely a recurring trend of bottoming = weakness/submissiveness popping up with certain characters.
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I mean, it’s more like 1500-2000 years, as opposed to decades, given the sheer disparity between what the Empire is implied to have had by certain items, and what we’re seeing as far as equipment goes with mostly Bronze Age stuff with some re-emerging iron working. It just seems a ludicrously excessive regression, since iron & steel working would have been so common pre-Gods War.
They weren't, and they didn't. Belhar was in the iron age. Lusina's claymore came through a portal from another world, same as Kas and her axe. I think one of her talks mentions as much explicitly.
Ah, that explains a lot. Thanks for clearing that up Savin. I was basing it off the item’s description, that states that they were made by the Belharans themselves, which like I mentioned would imply a near-late Middle Ages tech base.
But you still have the captain's greatsword and galons greifmaker the spiral sword and the bessy mauler. All of which were made in Savarra if I'm not mistaken. It should have been impossible to make these with only bronze or iron age tech.
Captain's Greatsword and the Spiral Sword are explicitly enchanted/magical, wood-limbed or rope-tension crossbows are certainly doable (and existed) with bronze age tech, and the Griefmaker... well, I've got nothing to say on that.
So you're saying a wizard did it.
crossbows existed in the bronze age but were not to point that they could penetrate armor like the Bessy Mauler does. You couldn't get the rope tension high enough to need a ramsfoot either.
I had assumed the Greatsword (which is made of bronze) was magically reinforced, since you pretty much have to use steel to make anything larger than a short sword, given that bronze or iron will bend or break if you make the blade too long.
The Griefmaker certainly does stand out as an anachronism if Belhar was really an Iron Age civ.
To be fair, the Minotaur’s version of the Bessy Mauler sounds like a Scorpion made into an infantry weapon rather than an artillery piece. That at least is plausible with an Iron Age tech base, and the strength of Minotaurs. You’re right that a crossbow like what we actually get isn’t, since those didn’t pop up until much later.
Ahem, Griefmaker is literally described as being permanently coated in blue frost. I think we can safely say that A Wizard Thyri Did It.
While not exactly Bronze Age stuff, the Scorpio seems to fit within the tech level of the former Empire and is close enough to the description, so I'd be willing to give the Bessy Mauler a pass.
True, but the Griefmaker is pretty explicitly a late Middle Ages to early Renaissance longsword, judging by its description. I guess ’a wizard did it’ or ‘it actually fell through a portal’ is the only real explanation we’ll get there, since that is only plausible with magical reinforcement like the Greatsword if it’s not made of steel.
Isnt the bessy mauler a fucking ballista the champ is just carrying around becasue fuck you and whoever is standing behind you?
Everything is bronze. If it looks iron but isn't explicitly said then it's bronze. Fuck bronze. What a shitty metal for weapons and armor. Truly the greatest sin of the wraiths was fucking technology all the way back into the tackylookingandquicklyoutdatedmetal age.
Also I assume some items could be silver for the aesthetic and enchanted to hold its edge. Like the spiral sword maybe. Magic can explain a lot of stuff.
Also I assume some items could be silver for the aesthetic and enchanted to hold its edge. Like the spiral sword maybe. Magic can explain a lot of stuff.
Kinda, yesn't. From the description we can take two things:
1. That thing was used by Minotaurs, so it's proportioned for Minotaurs. The lupines added a goathoof, which helps with reloading, since they weren't strong enough to reload it otherwise.
2. The description says: "it's been a point of argument amongst some enthusiasts about whether the mauler can be properly classified as a siege weapon or not."
So, for minos it's a normal crossbow. For everyone not mino, it's almost a ballista.
Edit: I say almost, because actual ballistas are still huge. Though, then again it's depends on the type you're looking at. Some are minotaur sized, some to big even for minos.
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My gripe was how absurdly excessive the level of tech regression seemed, given the existence of items in the game that are pretty explicitly from the late Middle Ages/early Renaissance and what that appeared to imply about Belhar’s actual tech base
It still stretches credulity a bit if Belhar was really a Roman Empire expy and not a pre-Roman Italy expy, since the Empire was 1000-1500 years removed from bronze being the main metal used, and the fact that iron working was omnipresent throughout the Empire.
That said, I’m aware it’s nitpicky, I just found it to bit immersion breaking, since an an iron age civ based on Rome really shouldn’t of regressed quite that far, unless all the smiths and scholars I previously mentioned conveniently vanished.
Basically, yes. q.v the Bronze Age Collapse where entire parts of the world lost the ability to read/write.
It would explain a widespread loss of literacy sure, but not so much a regression to using bronze instead of iron.
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