Your gripes with CoC II

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Balaknightfang

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Someone explain to me why people wanna assume that anything outside of being a horse/equine would be considered a taur.
And minotaur are biped, so hhhhhhhhah.
Because the postifix of -taur has long been used by a portion of community to mean—with the exception of minotaurs—creatures that walk on four or more legs and have a humanoid upper body.
Urban dictionary gives a better definition
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Ireyon

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This is the definition of a taur. A class of fictional hybrid creatures with a humanoid upper part and four-legged animal lower part

Are you intentionally ignoring the part where I explained why a full dragon TF will not be a thing?

You will not be able to turn into something that uses four or more legs to walk. That includes dragons.
 

Malpha

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Are you intentionally ignoring the part where I explained why a full dragon TF will not be a thing?

You will not be able to turn into something which uses four or more legs to walk. That includes dragons.
Pls apply critical thinking.

Whatever gave you the idea. They would have that type of dragon tf. When the CoC1 dragon tf. Was a bipedal tf.
 

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Sphinxes are functionally taurs, yes. You're unlike to see one because they'd be Jassiran, but they count.

I know, Balak - and it's exactly why I asked.

Also Sphinx: Thou shalt only pass me, When you can answer me these riddles three.
 

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Whatever gave you the idea. They would have that type of dragon tf. When the CoC1 dragon tf. Was a bipedal tf.

Google dragon and tell me if the pictures you see look anything like something bipedal.

As for the two legged TF possibility: I mentioned that already.
 

Malpha

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Google dragon and tell me if the pictures you see look anything like something bipedal.

As for the two legged TF possibility: I mentioned that already.
Dragon tf has already been stated possible and likely for the game, and specifically stated to be late game when/if it does. I don't need to do anything except tell you what the people making the game have already said.
 

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I thought the dragon TF would've been more like Ember or Kas's dragon daughters. And why would that be endgame? The dragon girls show up at the end of act 1 and there may be dragons already on Savarra. The champion seems to know what dragons are if I remember correctly. It's not like they'll make them broken. At most their version of tail whack would be all crushing damage only. Which I'd love personally.
 

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Probably because dragons are usually often late-to-endgame stuff, being real powerful and frustrating to defeat at times and tedious at others - looking at you, Dragon's Dogma and that Ur Dragon.
Not to mention say, materials and making stuff out of them when they're supposed to be so resistant to physical and/or magick damage would jump your stats up a few tiers.
 

WolframL

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I thought the dragon TF would've been more like Ember or Kas's dragon daughters. And why would that be endgame?
Because Savin says so. We've known dragons and such exist in Savarra since the start but for whatever reason the plan is that we won't get draconic TFs until the late game.

But yes, based on the usage of dragon-morph (and the way TFing is designed to ensure certain constant traits in the Champ for writing convenience) it's likely that the TF will result in a Champion looking something like those characters.
 
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Don't know if I'm missing it but if you use TFs and change your race completey no one ever comments on it. In TITS a few characters do but in this game I have not found one character that questions the PC
 
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but in this game I have not found one character that questions the

Methinks it's because unlessthey absolutely despise the TF or you try to sex them and they're not into it, the mentality is basically "their body, they can do what they want with it."
Kind of like how nobody really stops Takahiro and his rampant alcoholism but you as the PC has an option to confront his drinking problem.
 

Malpha

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I thought the dragon TF would've been more like Ember or Kas's dragon daughters. And why would that be endgame? The dragon girls show up at the end of act 1 and there may be dragons already on Savarra. The champion seems to know what dragons are if I remember correctly. It's not like they'll make them broken. At most their version of tail whack would be all crushing damage only. Which I'd love personally.
As I said earlier, her daughters aren't really dragons. Dragons are a thing in Savarra, yes. But Kas' daughters are only dragon-like. CoC's Ember was a real dragon, Kiha and the dragon daughters are not.
 

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Don't know if I'm missing it but if you use TFs and change your race completey no one ever comments on it. In TITS a few characters do but in this game I have not found one character that questions the PC
'Because tracking that kind of thing would be a pain in the ass' is pretty much the official word on why they're not doing it. The only time that TFing is really going to affect how people react to the Champion is with the divine TFs, in which case it will affect interactions with that god's followers (see Keros and the kitsune), with Kasyrra and probably affect the ending options you'll have. Limiting the effect to those things makes it something that can reasonably be accounted for by the writers while allowing the most significant of the TFs to also have story weight.
 

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As I said earlier, her daughters aren't really dragons. Dragons are a thing in Savarra, yes. But Kas' daughters are only dragon-like. CoC's Ember was a real dragon, Kiha and the dragon daughters are not.

I know they're dragon morphs. I was using dragon and dragon-morph interchangeably for this so I probably caused some confusion unintentionally. Also, I thought Kiha was a salamander. I was wrong, she was a lizard and was made a dragon-morph. My memory is shit.
 
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New gripe:

Brint being able to use two non-light weapons because writer reasons, and one-part his at-will power "allowing him to," but PC can go 8 feet tall and even be much more muscled than him, but can't.
Then again, allowing PC to dual-wield non-light weapons because big beefy warrior would cause problems of many varieties and make the Light tag borderline useless if people ended up wanting to make Brint's at-will power stealable.
 

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And another gripe:

Wish there was a way to get the chitinous face without forcing an Arachnid face (IE fangs jutting from lips/mouth) - I don't even like the orcs and their tusked faces, so I'm not really a fan of having fangs jutting out either;
And I quote: "A set of fangs protrude over your bottom lip."
 
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HK-47

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Wish we would get more power slots with level 6-10 (new at-will @ 6, new recharge @ 7, etc). We've gotten so many powers at our disposal that it feels like a waste that we can only regularly use four of them.

At the very least it would be nice if we could get another at-will slot, so we could equip both an at-will attack or heal and a stance.
 

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Bit of a minor gripe, but I have to admit I'm not overly fond of the fact that minotaurs are split between furry males and monster girls. I always thought that it was rather an odd choice, and would honestly prefer that they were all just monster boys/girls or furries, rather than the weird gender line split.
 

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Bit of a minor gripe, but I have to admit I'm not overly fond of the fact that minotaurs are split between furry males and monster girls.
Based on their Codex entry they weren't split originally but the original mino males and females each preferred human partners to each other and at some point the two split, with the furry males and their human female partners creating Khor'minos while the 'Northern Minotaurs' had the furry females and their human male partners go off together. Over time the females of Khor'minos gradually developed some minotaur-like traits but not the full package.

The Codex doesn't explain why the sexual preference thing exists but that sounds to me like a plot hook that could be explored in KM.
 

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Bit of a minor gripe, but I have to admit I'm not overly fond of the fact that minotaurs are split between furry males and monster girls. I always thought that it was rather an odd choice, and would honestly prefer that they were all just monster boys/girls or furries, rather than the weird gender line split.
I get ya. Not personally into muzzles myself, which is why I never questioned why Brienne lost hers. It does kind of make me wish that Brint was also like that.

Based on their Codex entry they weren't split originally but the original mino males and females each preferred human partners to each other and at some point the two split, with the furry males and their human female partners creating Khor'minos while the 'Northern Minotaurs' had the furry females and their human male partners go off together. Over time the females of Khor'minos gradually developed some minotaur-like traits but not the full package.

The Codex doesn't explain why the sexual preference thing exists but that sounds to me like a plot hook that could be explored in KM.
Wsan said that originally he did it because he found it hot. And I think he is just going to keep it that way. No need to over explain every little thing.
 

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I get ya. Not personally into muzzles myself, which is why I never questioned why Brienne lost hers.it does kind of make me wish that Brint was also like that.

I'm not either. I definitely wish both the minotaurs and the lupines were all monster boys/girls instead of furries, and that Brint was in particular, since he's my favorite companion.

Based on their Codex entry they weren't split originally but the original mino males and females each preferred human partners to each other and at some point the two split, with the furry males and their human female partners creating Khor'minos while the 'Northern Minotaurs' had the furry females and their human male partners go off together. Over time the females of Khor'minos gradually developed some minotaur-like traits but not the full package.

The Codex doesn't explain why the sexual preference thing exists but that sounds to me like a plot hook that could be explored in KM.

Right, I get that there are fluff reasons as to why it is that way, I just found it odd.
 

Ireyon

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At the very least it would be nice if we could get another at-will slot, so we could equip both an at-will attack or heal and a stance.

Maybe a compromise: Since I can see that both an at-will attack and an at-will heal would be too much, maybe just give us a dedicated stance slot and make stances their own thing.
 
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HK-47

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@Ireyon My main notion was being able to have both an attack and a stance anyway, so that would would work just as well.

That said, my ideal change would be to add at least one more at-will slot, one more recharge slot, and one more encounter slot, like what @Sir Gooch was suggesting above.
 
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Not really a gripe about the game itself, but I need to vent a bit because I just came back after a long hiatus to find all my saves deleted.

While I thankfully have a back-up file, that still sets me back a lot, even if presently it just ruined my progress on Kiyoko’s house (I had finished rebuilding it before but it’s back to just one step up from square one. orz

I play on my iPad and it does keep removing saves for a different game (hosted on Twine) but CoC2 files had previously been stable so I’m not sure if it’s related to the UI update.
 

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I play on my iPad

That's almost certainly the problem. Apple and our games have a history of not playing well together, and we haven't officially supported the platform since CoC1. Highly recommend saving to file at the end of every play session.
 
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