Your gripes with CoC II

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Wint3rRyd3r

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Also stop hoarding.

MAKE ME. THE PURPLE STARS ARE MINE. ALL MINE.

Savin: "Stop hoarding."
Me: "Stop stopping me from hoarding."

On the topic of griping, all these imps I kill and they still keep coming. I'm trying not to be a murderhobo (not trying to hard tbh) but all these imps and all these centaurs I kill and I still ain't making a dent in their population. Do I need to have Ogrish troubleshoot my weapon or something?
 
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Stupid_Goo

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On the topic of griping, all these imps I kill and they still keep coming.

Blame all the (un)willing elf mummies that wanna have Kas or some demonic taint breed them into imminent corruption.
But yeah, you'd think after stabbing x many imps and centaur packlords in the neck, they'd eventually stop being a constant problem.
 

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I'm trying not to be a murderhobo (not trying to hard tbh) but all these imps and all these centaurs I kill and I still ain't making a dent in their population.

Some dude pitched me a thing for tracking down some kinda imp broodmare factory to end that encounter for good. Haven't heard anything in a while about it. Shame.
 

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Cleave is one of my most used powers. Arguably a favorite in terms of "what do I want to use?" That's because it's simple and effective. As long as you fight with a melee/thrown weapon, it's your best and most easily accessible form of crowd damage, and it deals a good amount (assuming you have an actual build). Unfortunately, despite how much I like and use it, it is also the source of my gripe. It is, quite simply, too good. Unless you're fighting solo foes, and know that you're going to be fighting a solo enemy, Cleave is pretty much guaranteed a spot in your active arsenal. Even at higher levels, the only Warrior skill which deals physical damage to multiple enemies at once is the Warrior's ultimate

Look at the other level 2 Warrior abilities. You have Dominance and Warcry. I have never used them, because they don't seem worth the slot. With Warcry, you want sexiness to be able to land a hit (a stat more tied with light armor and Presence, whereas a Warrior is supposed to use heavy armor for their level one passive, and while presence would be useful for beefing up companions as a tank, a warrior tends to dish out lots of attacks and plans to take lots of attacks, so you want strength to deal damage, toughness to tank hits, and agility to both land hits and not take as many hits), and even aside from that it only draws threat, deals 10 resolve damage (something warriors tend not to target, so this is presumably to draw additional threat), and applies terrified. Terrified reduces mental resistance and sexiness. So, you know what this does for a Warrior's playstyle? It doesn't. It's basically just a charmer ability that lost most of its resolve damage but still generates the threat it would have gained with that damage. Terrified's mental resistance drop is only useful for if you want to boost resolve damage, something which is primarily the focus of charmers rather than warriors, and as for the threat buildup, well, just use cleave. You'll gain a lot of threat if you just deal a huge chunk of damage, especially with Guarded stance up.

As for Dominance, it is useful, as long as you're using a shield. Because with a shield, you're probably using a one-handed weapon, and one-handers without a dual-wielded partner aren't particularly great. With a warrior with a curved sword, I found that Dominance was definitely outdamaging the basic attack, by roughly 2x. The problem, however, is that Rend exists. That character was dealing just as much damage with Rend and Dominance, and that got much worse when I swapped over to a Pike. Dominance's damage remains the same, regardless of weapon, since it's a non-weapon melee attack, so when I was using the pike, the basic attacks were nearly on par with Dominance, and Rend was vastly overpowering Dominance. And not only that, but Rend applies a damage over time effect which brings the total damage above Dominance for even the curved sword, and Rend is only a 2-turn cooldown, whereas Dominance is a 4-turn cooldown. Dominance's only extra effect beyond being an unarmed melee attack is that it generates high threat. In team fights, Dominance is not worth using over cleave because, again, just hit them for a ton of damage if you want to build up threat. In solos, then Dominance would be a strong threat tool, but otherwise you can just use Rend and severely outclass it in damage and cooldown. It also inflicts aroused, but, well, you're a warrior, not a charmer or spellcaster. Arousal only decreases the targets magical damage and defense, and unlike Warcry the arousal is single-target. If your foes isn't a spellcaster either, there's not really much point. The real kicker is that, at level 6, a Warrior can get Bull Rush, A.K.A. the better Dominance. It does much more damage, knocks the target prone (A stun is often more useful than a debuff to magical resistance for a physical fighter, or even for the team as a whole), and it claims to have "massive threat" rather than "high threat." The only downside is that it's encounter only, but a recharge of four turns is quite large, such that most encounters tend to go for a shorter amount of time. Plus, the primary intended effect of generating a ton of threat shouldn't be that necessary to reactivate later, assuming you have a threat-based At Will and have been consistently dealing damage.

TL;DR: The problem with Cleave is that it's an extremely useful and widespread tool, whereas its peers are down in the dumps abilities which are outclassed by so many others and which would feel massively out of place in terms of effect if it weren't for the threat generation, but threat is already generated through doing tons of damage so you might as well just use Cleave anyways, outside of the scripted one-on-one bosses.
 

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I do have to say, that I do find it weird that if we have Cait in the party while sexing Salwah, she just kind of joins on the fun. Even if you had not sexed her. Eh, could just chack it up for her being professional with us once in her life.

Actually, when I think about it, a lot of scenes break that rule about not sexing cait if we agree to her terms. I would be fine with it if it was somewhat consistant. But it is not.
 
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Ireyon

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TL;DR: The problem with Cleave is that it's an extremely useful and widespread tool, whereas its peers are down in the dumps abilities which are outclassed by so many others and which would feel massively out of place in terms of effect if it weren't for the threat generation, but threat is already generated through doing tons of damage so you might as well just use Cleave anyways, outside of the scripted one-on-one bosses.

It's something I noticed as well. I switched Brint to his winter set precisely so he could act as a tank but he has trouble generating enough threat to keep up with my mage or my thief build...
 

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not so much a gripe as a kind of nitpick xD but I noticed that the Boreal Elf TF that was just added calls you a Wyld Elf. It's no big deal, though~
 

Alypia

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not so much a gripe as a kind of nitpick xD but I noticed that the Boreal Elf TF that was just added calls you a Wyld Elf. It's no big deal, though~
Should just say "elf" unless you started wyld elf.
 

Stupid_Goo

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Tfw I finally go do Ice Palace content and choose to fight Kasyrra and steal one of her skills - but they're all locked for level 10.
 

sumgai

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Tfw I finally go do Ice Palace content and choose to fight Kasyrra and steal one of her skills - but they're all locked for level 10.

Someday. Just not today!
 
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Animalistic

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I do have to say, the strap on dick was really half assed.
I do not know, for something that took 3 years to develop, I maybe expected more. But who knows, maybe the target audience for this is happy.
 

TheHiddenOne

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I do have to say, the strap on dick was really half assed.
I do not know, for something that took 3 years to develop, I maybe expected more. But who knows, maybe the target audience for this is happy.
It did not take so long to develop, but to implement.
Aside from that, what did you expect? It is exactly what it is supposed to be, a strapon.
It unlocks all sex scenes that require a penis, without turning the character into a hermaphrodite.

You even get a one-time sex scene that you would not get otherwise.
I am really unsure what you expected here.
 

Animalistic

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It did not take so long to develop, but to implement.
Aside from that, what did you expect? It is exactly what it is supposed to be, a strapon.
It unlocks all sex scenes that require a penis, without turning the character into a hermaphrodite.

You even get a one-time sex scene that you would not get otherwise.
I am really unsure what you expected here.
A little more effort in rewriting the scenes maybe? I do not know, when my champion goes on how s/he is going to breed their partner that is not Kiyoko, I kind of just laugh. Like yeah, I get it is written in such a way that it is just removable, impotent dick, bur it is funny. Maybe it is because I mostly play characters with dicks, but I see no real appeal to it in its current form.

But as I said, I am not (really) target audience here, so maybe it is fine for people that do not like idea of having real dick.
 

WolframL

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A little more effort in rewriting the scenes maybe?
Then you have missed the entire point of how ghostlights were designed. They're intended to be easily slotted into existing scenes, unlike the hardlight strapon in TiTS which requires a scene to be written specifically for it every time. And they fulfill their purpose of allowing someone to play a fully-female character but still access content that requires a penis, especially the 95% of Kiyoko content gated behind having one/Kinu being born.

There are going to be ghostlight-specific scenes in CoC2, at least involving companions getting piercings of their own (we know of Cait and Brienne ones being planned). Whether someone wants to craft a bespoke scene that only applies to a ghostlight-equipped Champion is anyone's guess but there wasn't much point in it until they were implemented. There is a parser [hasMagicock] so it's possible.
 

Stupid_Goo

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Only question I'd have on the magicock in progress is: while I know there'll eventually be variations for them, like doggy or horse dick, would there be options for them like a normal peen does? Such as how much you'd blow, how big they can be or etc - or even if there's be optional balls or not, with sizes, depending on who's into that stuff?

But my current gripe today is Sally not being into inflation - if you try to blow her up like a balloon, she's got more ab muscle than a bodybuilding minotaur would that she dan flex on a whim and will just fountain you in your own spooge if you try.
It's funny to read and I can understand the writer's lack of interest in the thought, but I also like to turn people into beach balls because herm hijinks.
 

Ireyon

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Only question I'd have on the magicock in progress is: while I know there'll eventually be variations for them, like doggy or horse dick, would there be options for them like a normal peen does? Such as how much you'd blow, how big they can be or etc - or even if there's be optional balls or not, with sizes, depending on who's into that stuff?

At that stage the question just becomes "Why don't you just eat a few blue eggs and grow a dick" because the difference between what you describe and just being a futa would be razor thin at best.
 

Stupid_Goo

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At that stage the question just becomes "Why don't you just eat a few blue eggs and grow a dick" because the difference between what you describe and just being a futa would be razor thin at best.

True, but options for everything, you know? Figured I'd probe and see what the big plan is.

Not like you can have a ghost dick anytime soon, if at all - just a magick prick you can transform and edit to your whimsy much like any other meaty peen is, minus having to pay for it.

On top of people who wanna use sum'n like a real dick without actually needing to have a real dick.
 
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Wint3rRyd3r

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I don't think that's a game problem... :p

Hey you try resisting the urge to acquire money at the expense of skillz. Some of us really like seeing those numbers get bigger. Some people like big breasts. Some people like big butts. Me? I like big numbers. And on this matter, I can not lie.
 

Stupid_Goo

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Tfw 90% of the tomes tend to be stealable via Mirror Stance.
And also taking your time and reading what you're selling.
And also autosaves.

Patiently awaiting the day wyvern/draconic TFs hit the market, either via some sort of Kiha-like shenanigans or another set of dragon egg nonsense.
 

TheHiddenOne

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Tfw 90% of the tomes tend to be stealable via Mirror Stance.
And also taking your time and reading what you're selling.
And also autosaves.

Patiently awaiting the day wyvern/draconic TFs hit the market, either via some sort of Kiha-like shenanigans or another set of dragon egg nonsense.

Well, considering who turned Kiha into a "dragon", I think that path may be blocked for a while.
I think Wyvern is more plausable, especially since we can already find on and there is also a certain NPC who has (allegedly) a talk option for wyvern look-alikes..
 

Ireyon

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Dragon tfs are late game stuff. Probably when dragons get to actually be a thing.

Wasn't there a rule that taurs like dragons are never going to be a thing? A draconoid or wyvern like thing seems to be the only possible TF in that direction. Or, you know, become a gothmander and add a pair of wings. Oh wait, divine transformations can't be changed. Forget what I said.
 

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Wasn't there a rule that taurs like dragons are never going to be a thing? A draconoid or wyvern like thing seems to be the only possible TF in that direction. Or, you know, become a gothmander and add a pair of wings. Oh wait, divine transformations can't be changed. Forget what I said.
Dragons are not taur, and I mean, CoC1's dragon tf wasn't feral either. This would be no different.
 

Stupid_Goo

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Oh wait, divine transformations can't be changed. Forget what I said.

Correction: you can't change certain parts after becoming one of their champions - Keros explicitly states that the ears, tail and limbs are off-limits afterwords, so each one having different or similar parts they'd lock in wouldn't be too much of an issue - maybe.

Wasn't there a rule that taurs like dragons are never going to be a thing?

Dragons are not taur, and I mean, CoC1's dragon tf wasn't feral either.

Someone explain to me why people wanna assume that anything outside of being a horse/equine would be considered a taur.
And minotaur are biped, so hhhhhhhhah.
 

Ireyon

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Someone explain to me why people wanna assume that anything outside of being a horse/equine would be considered a taur.
And minotaur are biped, so hhhhhhhhah.

Dragons are not taur, and I mean, CoC1's dragon tf wasn't feral either. This would be no different.

Western dragons have six limbs and walk on four of those, which is the definition of taur.

You seem to forget that the entire point of excluding taurs isn't because Savin & Co hate them but rather because accounting for the number of limbs you possess and walk on in scenes is a programmer's nightmare, not to mention that certain sex acts and positions would be flat out impossible which would require old content to be reworked so as to check for which physical shape you have.
 
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