Your gripes with CoC II

[Wint3rRyd3r]

I don't think that's a game problem...

Hey you try resisting the urge to acquire money at the expense of skillz. Some of us really like seeing those numbers get bigger. Some people like big breasts. Some people like big butts. Me? I like big numbers. And on this matter, I can not lie.

 

[Stupid_Goo]

Tfw 90% of the tomes tend to be stealable via Mirror Stance.
And also taking your time and reading what you're selling.
And also autosaves.

Patiently awaiting the day wyvern/draconic TFs hit the market, either via some sort of Kiha-like shenanigans or another set of dragon egg nonsense.

 

[TheHiddenOne]

Tfw 90% of the tomes tend to be stealable via Mirror Stance.
And also taking your time and reading what you're selling.
And also autosaves.

Patiently awaiting the day wyvern/draconic TFs hit the market, either via some sort of Kiha-like shenanigans or another set of dragon egg nonsense.

Well, considering who turned Kiha into a "dragon", I think that path may be blocked for a while.
I think Wyvern is more plausable, especially since we can already find on and there is also a certain NPC who has (allegedly) a talk option for wyvern look-alikes..

 

[Malpha]

Dragon tfs are late game stuff. Probably when dragons get to actually be a thing.

 

[Ireyon]

Dragon tfs are late game stuff. Probably when dragons get to actually be a thing.

Wasn't there a rule that taurs like dragons are never going to be a thing? A draconoid or wyvern like thing seems to be the only possible TF in that direction. Or, you know, become a gothmander and add a pair of wings. Oh wait, divine transformations can't be changed. Forget what I said.

 

[Malpha]

Wasn't there a rule that taurs like dragons are never going to be a thing? A draconoid or wyvern like thing seems to be the only possible TF in that direction. Or, you know, become a gothmander and add a pair of wings. Oh wait, divine transformations can't be changed. Forget what I said.

Dragons are not taur, and I mean, CoC1's dragon tf wasn't feral either. This would be no different.

 

[TheHiddenOne]

Dragon tfs are late game stuff. Probably when dragons get to actually be a thing.

Well, after the Winter Palace quest, Dragons *are* a thing, technically..

 

[Stupid_Goo]

Oh wait, divine transformations can't be changed. Forget what I said.

Correction: you can't change certain parts after becoming one of their champions - Keros explicitly states that the ears, tail and limbs are off-limits afterwords, so each one having different or similar parts they'd lock in wouldn't be too much of an issue - maybe.

Wasn't there a rule that taurs like dragons are never going to be a thing?

Dragons are not taur, and I mean, CoC1's dragon tf wasn't feral either.

Someone explain to me why people wanna assume that anything outside of being a horse/equine would be considered a taur.
And minotaur are biped, so hhhhhhhhah.

 

[Ireyon]

Someone explain to me why people wanna assume that anything outside of being a horse/equine would be considered a taur.
And minotaur are biped, so hhhhhhhhah.

Dragons are not taur, and I mean, CoC1's dragon tf wasn't feral either. This would be no different.

Western dragons have six limbs and walk on four of those, which is the definition of taur.

You seem to forget that the entire point of excluding taurs isn't because Savin & Co hate them but rather because accounting for the number of limbs you possess and walk on in scenes is a programmer's nightmare, not to mention that certain sex acts and positions would be flat out impossible which would require old content to be reworked so as to check for which physical shape you have.

 

[Malpha]

Well, after the Winter Palace quest, Dragons *are* a thing, technically..

I mean, CoC1 spoilers, but those ain't real dragons.

Western dragons have six limbs and walk on four of those, which is the definition of taur.

This is the definition of a taur. A class of fictional hybrid creatures with a humanoid upper part and four-legged animal lower part

 

[Balaknightfang]

Someone explain to me why people wanna assume that anything outside of being a horse/equine would be considered a taur.
And minotaur are biped, so hhhhhhhhah.

Because the postifix of -taur has long been used by a portion of community to mean—with the exception of minotaurs—creatures that walk on four or more legs and have a humanoid upper body.
Urban dictionary gives a better definition

Spoiler

 

[Ireyon]

This is the definition of a taur. A class of fictional hybrid creatures with a humanoid upper part and four-legged animal lower part

Are you intentionally ignoring the part where I explained why a full dragon TF will not be a thing?

You will not be able to turn into something that uses four or more legs to walk. That includes dragons.

 

[Stupid_Goo]

Because the postifix of -taur has long been used by a portion of community to mean—with the exception of minotaurs—creatures that walk on four or more legs and have a humanoid upper body.

So a sphinx in the game when?

 

[Stupid_Goo]

Western dragons have six limbs and walk on four of those

Time to google these Western dragons ...

 

[Balaknightfang]

So a sphinx in the game when?

Sphinxes are functionally taurs, yes. You're unlike to see one because they'd be Jassiran, but they count.

Time to google these Western dragons ...

Four legs and two wings. I disagree with that definition of Taur because it's broader than just about anyone actually uses.

 

[Malpha]

Are you intentionally ignoring the part where I explained why a full dragon TF will not be a thing?

You will not be able to turn into something which uses four or more legs to walk. That includes dragons.

Pls apply critical thinking.

Whatever gave you the idea. They would have that type of dragon tf. When the CoC1 dragon tf. Was a bipedal tf.

 

[Stupid_Goo]

Sphinxes are functionally taurs, yes. You're unlike to see one because they'd be Jassiran, but they count.

I know, Balak - and it's exactly why I asked.

Also Sphinx: Thou shalt only pass me, When you can answer me these riddles three.

 

[Ireyon]

Whatever gave you the idea. They would have that type of dragon tf. When the CoC1 dragon tf. Was a bipedal tf.

Google dragon and tell me if the pictures you see look anything like something bipedal.

As for the two legged TF possibility: I mentioned that already.

 

[Malpha]

Google dragon and tell me if the pictures you see look anything like something bipedal.

As for the two legged TF possibility: I mentioned that already.

Dragon tf has already been stated possible and likely for the game, and specifically stated to be late game when/if it does. I don't need to do anything except tell you what the people making the game have already said.

 

[Stupid_Goo]

Google dragon and tell me if the pictures you see look anything like something bipedal.

Looks pretty biped-able to me.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

I thought the dragon TF would've been more like Ember or Kas's dragon daughters. And why would that be endgame? The dragon girls show up at the end of act 1 and there may be dragons already on Savarra. The champion seems to know what dragons are if I remember correctly. It's not like they'll make them broken. At most their version of tail whack would be all crushing damage only. Which I'd love personally.

 

[Stupid_Goo]

Probably because dragons are usually often late-to-endgame stuff, being real powerful and frustrating to defeat at times and tedious at others - looking at you, Dragon's Dogma and that Ur Dragon.
Not to mention say, materials and making stuff out of them when they're supposed to be so resistant to physical and/or magick damage would jump your stats up a few tiers.

 

[WolframL]

I thought the dragon TF would've been more like Ember or Kas's dragon daughters. And why would that be endgame?

Because Savin says so. We've known dragons and such exist in Savarra since the start but for whatever reason the plan is that we won't get draconic TFs until the late game.

But yes, based on the usage of dragon-morph (and the way TFing is designed to ensure certain constant traits in the Champ for writing convenience) it's likely that the TF will result in a Champion looking something like those characters.

 

[SmithEK]

Don't know if I'm missing it but if you use TFs and change your race completey no one ever comments on it. In TITS a few characters do but in this game I have not found one character that questions the PC

 

[Stupid_Goo]

but in this game I have not found one character that questions the

Methinks it's because unlessthey absolutely despise the TF or you try to sex them and they're not into it, the mentality is basically "their body, they can do what they want with it."
Kind of like how nobody really stops Takahiro and his rampant alcoholism but you as the PC has an option to confront his drinking problem.

 

[Malpha]

I thought the dragon TF would've been more like Ember or Kas's dragon daughters. And why would that be endgame? The dragon girls show up at the end of act 1 and there may be dragons already on Savarra. The champion seems to know what dragons are if I remember correctly. It's not like they'll make them broken. At most their version of tail whack would be all crushing damage only. Which I'd love personally.

As I said earlier, her daughters aren't really dragons. Dragons are a thing in Savarra, yes. But Kas' daughters are only dragon-like. CoC's Ember was a real dragon, Kiha and the dragon daughters are not.

 

[WolframL]

Don't know if I'm missing it but if you use TFs and change your race completey no one ever comments on it. In TITS a few characters do but in this game I have not found one character that questions the PC

'Because tracking that kind of thing would be a pain in the ass' is pretty much the official word on why they're not doing it. The only time that TFing is really going to affect how people react to the Champion is with the divine TFs, in which case it will affect interactions with that god's followers (see Keros and the kitsune), with Kasyrra and probably affect the ending options you'll have. Limiting the effect to those things makes it something that can reasonably be accounted for by the writers while allowing the most significant of the TFs to also have story weight.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

As I said earlier, her daughters aren't really dragons. Dragons are a thing in Savarra, yes. But Kas' daughters are only dragon-like. CoC's Ember was a real dragon, Kiha and the dragon daughters are not.

I know they're dragon morphs. I was using dragon and dragon-morph interchangeably for this so I probably caused some confusion unintentionally. Also, I thought Kiha was a salamander. I was wrong, she was a lizard and was made a dragon-morph. My memory is shit.

 

[Stupid_Goo]

New gripe:

Brint being able to use two non-light weapons because writer reasons, and one-part his at-will power "allowing him to," but PC can go 8 feet tall and even be much more muscled than him, but can't.
Then again, allowing PC to dual-wield non-light weapons because big beefy warrior would cause problems of many varieties and make the Light tag borderline useless if people ended up wanting to make Brint's at-will power stealable.

 

[Stupid_Goo]

And another gripe:

Wish there was a way to get the chitinous face without forcing an Arachnid face (IE fangs jutting from lips/mouth) - I don't even like the orcs and their tusked faces, so I'm not really a fan of having fangs jutting out either;
And I quote: "A set of fangs protrude over your bottom lip."