Your gripes with CoC II

[Balaknightfang]

but a shield blocking a tease crit,

Shield your eyes taken to a literal meaning

especially if that is pheromone damage, do0esnt really make much sense.

Just wave the shield so that the pheromones get blown away 4head

 

[Wsan]

It's like Perseus but the medusa is sexier.

 

[sumgai]

It's like Perseus but the medusa is sexier.

Medusa is only working on getting one thing hard. Or multiple in the player takes that route. Or wet.

 

[WolframL]

It's like Perseus but the medusa is sexier.

Sexier medusa... so a shambleau?

 

[GOI]

so Fate's Medusa then

 

[Raishu]

Hey longtime player, first time commenter, the thing that annoys me most about this game is the very obvious content bias ala 90% female/femboy coalition population, which I know other people have talked about but this is the thread for bitching so let me bitch dammit! I might have a point or two anyway.

I get that its porn so its always gonna be heavily tilted towards the traditionally heterosexual male taste, this is not news to me, it's totally understandable and cool. But isn't the whole premise of these games that they're text adventures that change the values depending on user input? why can't this be used a little more? there's a whole genderbend thing for the one non femme companion, with a bunch of extra content, I don't see why this can't be used to a much lesser extent for some of the other characters. I mean so many of the girls have dicks anyway! why not just have an option to change the pronouns and references to breasts the same way it does for the player, depending on if they're male or herm? the scenes would be largely unchanged.

The weird restrictions are especially obvious in regards to Garret, one of the few romanceable masculine male characters with a good amount of content and a quest that doesn't revolve around becoming a girl, yet for some reason he's arbitrarily locked off from the players who could really do with that type of content. I have provided a text file, originally a scene involving a female pc with a vagina (locking out male pc's twice over), that i have used the find & replace tool to make it entirely fit for male characters, it took five minutes. I don't even like the dude tbh he's a douchebag who thinks he's hot shit for a weeb ass guilty gear looking creep who lives off of his dad, a six pack off of being a total incel, and would only be worth romancing if you could knock him down a peg, but he's one of my only options! except he's not! because he's locked off!

I'm sorry if im being mean, there is good stuff here and I get that most of you don't wanna deal with the gay shit, but its just annoying

 

[JustSomeGuy]

If people spent more time writing instead of bitching, imagine the possibilities

 

[WolframL]

If you're aware that the topic has been discussed before, you've probably at least had the opportunity to see the various posts where the devs explain why the game is the way it is and why your ideas are non-starters.

But isn't the whole premise of these games that they're text adventures that change the values depending on user input? why can't this be used a little more?

Start here and you'll see several people who have written for this game (including some of the main devs) talk about how 'make it a toggle' is really NOT an option.

there's a whole genderbend thing for the one non femme companion, with a bunch of extra content,

And Wsan has to write all of that Brienne content by hand.

Also, Quin exists.

The weird restrictions are especially obvious in regards to Garret, one of the few romanceable masculine male characters with a good amount of content and a quest that doesn't revolve around becoming a girl, yet for some reason he's arbitrarily locked off from the players who could really do with that type of content.

Not arbitrarily at all, he has A Type and if you don't meet it he's not interested in fucking you. The whole point is that these are characters, not indistinguishable blobs who will fuck anything that moves. Garret just happens to be more restrictive than most, but there's also Kiyoko for a full companion who has an ironclad requirement for progression. The writers envision the characters that way, hence that's how they're presented in the game.

 

[Raishu]

I don't agree. elements of the pc's features comes up in practically every scene, why would this be any different? that changes a bunch of different dialogues from every character, whilst changing a single character only affects them. You don't HAVE to change their personality only minor details and remove scenes that don't work. hell I could do it for you, it's easy.

Garret only has a couple scenes and even if each took twice as long, it would take much less time than actually writing it in the first place. you admitted yourself it was done by choice, If I were to sit down and spend around 30 minutes adding the option would they really put it in? or does he 'just have a type' in the game all about corruption? he's a fictional character in a porn game, he doesn't really have an identity beyond what you choose to write for him so why write him that way? literally every other character is bi for the sole purpose of appealing to whatever character you make, so why suddenly take the stance that "hes a real wolf man soul with feelings trapped in a video game" for this one character? the writers chose to write nearly every character that way, they chose to limit them, which is exactly my point.

Quinn has next to no content and is femme as hell, he's literally a pink bunny.

you can't really convince me it's not possible if I just showed that it was. do you want me to make him a dick girl? because that would be easy too.

also the patreon situation they were talking about is exactly what a biased voting pool is? saying that it HAS to be accurate to poll only people who already like what you're doing, because it would be too dificult to poll the people you're providing nothing for and thus don't give a shit, is circular logic. of course you're not gonna get support from the people you're not marketing to in any way, that doesn't mean it's impossible. The fact that you immediately had someone else among the many other people asking for this stuff, making the same argument (that I didn't even see) proves that im not alone and that there is a demand: multiple people have made an account for a forum for a game mostly filled with content specifically written to not be interesting TO them, and the content that DOES is written to not be interested IN them because "theyre just that kind of person", to ask about perhaps widening the amount of content, only to be met with "theres not enough demand to change some wording, try paying someone to make something else or just make your own" think about all the people who AREN'T stupid enough to waste their time doing that! clearly there is a demand.

I'm not making sense I know but maybe more people would support m/m content if you tried to market to them a bit more, even if its a bit shit and clearly recycled

heres some more people complaining I found ages ago from twitter and some of the updates, you know theres more

 

[sumgai]

Fleep's submission just got put in the game.

 

[Tide Hunter]

The lack of desire to change already existing characters to fit what specific people want isn't some wishy washy "oh but they have a soul!" thing, no, it's because that's what the writer wants to do. Writers write how they want to write, and if you don't like it, then whatever. I was bummed that Jin-Jin is exclusively gay since almost all of my characters are herms, but I'm not trying to campaign that he be rewritten to be bi like everyone else. I'd rather all the characters be bi/omni, but I don't dictate what the writers do.

 

[WolframL]

I don't agree. elements of the pc's features comes up in practically every scene, why would this be any different?

Because the parser system is designed around the Champion having many variables to their appearance (which have very little impact on the flow of most scenes) but it's not similarly set up to account for physical changes to NPCs except for (mainly) naughty bits to allow some variety in descriptions and some character-specific variables. It's certainly not set up to reflect the kind of changes you're proposing. Again, all the stuff written for Brienne has to be done manually, it's not like Wsan waves a magic wand and suddenly the Brint scene becomes a Brienne one. Now imagine that for even more characters.

hell I could do it for you, it's easy.

[gets marshmallows ready for the roasting]

Garret only has a couple scenes and even if each took twice as long, it would take much less time than actually writing it in the first place. you admitted yourself it was done by choice, If I were to sit down and spend around 30 minutes adding the option would they really put it in?

That topic I linked you to already? The Observer writes Garret and if you actually read the discussion in detail you'd know his stance on the matter.

he doesn't really have an identity beyond what you choose to write for him so why write him that way?

Because. That. Is. What. The. Writer. Decided.

literally every other character is bi for the sole purpose of appealing to whatever character you make

Kiyoko. You literally can't progress her story past its introduction and definitely can't recruit her if you play an all-female Champion. Because that's just how she's conceived as a character. Janeen isn't interested in males, Jin-Jin, Gwyn and Lusamine aren't interested in females.

Quinn has next to no content and is femme as hell, he's literally a pink bunny.

The only part of him that's pink is his eyes and he has quite a bit of content, just not as much as some of the other companions.

you can't really convince me it's not possible if I just showed that it was. do you want me to make him a dick girl? because that would be easy too.

Performing a find-and-replace on a text dump you made of a scene is not at all the same as things look on the coding side.

The fact that you immediately had someone else among the many other people asking for this stuff, making the same argument (that I didn't even see) proves that im not alone and that there is a demand

If you kept reading that topic you'd see that The Observer quite specifically points out that the demand you cite does not measurably move their financials in the expected direction when it's met or not met, meaning it's not nearly so vast as you seem to think. Meanwhile, the time and effort it would take to accede to your request would take time away from literally anything else they could be working on.

even if its a bit shit and clearly recycled

And this, right here, is the glaring problem with your logic.

 

[Emerald]

Quinn has next to no content and is femme as hell, he's literally a pink bunny.

He ain't "femme as hell" at all, he is a twunk. And the pink bunny thing is his firewalk shit. Know what you're talking about before you say it. :U

And why did I focus on this specifically? Because you spouted so much other bullshit I can't be bothered to reply. You just joined anyways, so not worth the time.

If you hate that the game isn't catering to you so much to make a long collaboration of whinging about it, you might as well stop playing and go somewhere else. Or better yet, write the shit you actually want in the game through an event submission. Absolutely NOTHING is stopping you from making a gay hunky lupine of your own for fucks sake.

 

[Raishu]

Because the parser system is designed around the Champion having many variables to their appearance (which have very little impact on the flow of most scenes) but it's not similarly set up to account for physical changes to NPCs except for (mainly) naughty bits to allow some variety in descriptions and some character-specific variables. It's certainly not set up to reflect the kind of changes you're proposing. Again, all the stuff written for Brienne has to be done manually, it's not like Wsan waves a magic wand and suddenly the Brint scene becomes a Brienne one. Now imagine that for even more characters.

That seems like a really annoying system to work with but I guess that's fair. though what's stopping you from going around it instead of through it? content can be toggled in the main menu so would it be possible to have two vertually identical events linked to an or switch?

[gets marshmallows ready for the roasting]

Performing a find-and-replace on a text dump you made of a scene is not at all the same as things look on the coding side.

I admit my coding skills are next to nonexistent beyond shitty copy-paste based modding but in terms of writing thats all it is, and stats wise it's mostly changing pre-existing values right?

That topic I linked you to already? The Observer writes Garret and if you actually read the discussion in detail you'd know his stance on the matter.

If you kept reading that topic you'd see that The Observer quite specifically points out that the demand you cite does not measurably move their financials in the expected direction when it's met or not met, meaning it's not nearly so vast as you seem to think. Meanwhile, the time and effort it would take to accede to your request would take time away from literally anything else they could be working on.

I read it, I just don't agree. Whether by poll or sales you can't base demand on people you haven't marketed to, and in terms of cost it's easier to adapt old content than to create new stuff, and it's not like gay furries are known for spending money on porn or anything...

Kiyoko. You literally can't progress her story past its introduction and definitely can't recruit her if you play an all-female Champion. Because that's just how she's conceived as a character. Janeen isn't interested in males, Jin-Jin, Gwyn and Lusamine aren't interested in females.

this makes more sense considering there's already lots of characters that fill these niches, but even then it's a pointless waste. would it really improve any players playthrough by knowing that other players were barred from that content?

Because. That. Is. What. The. Writer. Decided.

again it adds nothing to the character and only serves to shit on fans who wanted it considering it's one of the few things that caters to them. why can't it be changed?

The only part of him that's pink is his eyes and he has quite a bit of content, just not as much as some of the other companions

the pink bunny thing is his firewalk shit. Know what you're talking about before you say it. :U

^thats the joke

And this, right here, is the glaring problem with your logic.

something is better than nothing

He ain't "femme as hell" at all, he is a twunk.

thankyou for explaining gay lingo to me, a very obviously gay dude. you are wrong, that's not what that means.

You just joined anyways, so not worth the time.

Again: long time player. started playing CoC 1 around 2017, arrived a little late for CoC 2 but definitely before Garret was introduced because it don't think it said on the update page that his content was slashed for male players and I played his whole stupid quest where he reveals himself to be a giant gary stu asshole. I do genuinely like these games and I'm saying this stuff after slogging through the bullshit to find any scenes that actually apply to me. Im talking about my problems with the game in good faith...

you might as well stop playing and go somewhere else.

why make this thread if you're all just going to get pissy with me for critiquing a game.

 

[Soulboros]

Long time player of all sav and companies games. Enjoy them very much. My main gripe is a weird one but cuddling. There's not enough but there can never be enough. I suppose another one would be weapons. I've tried dual weapons and so far a two handed weapon is superior damage output.

Content wise I enjoy most characters. the team has fantastic writing abilities and comparing original CoC writing to what they do now is a vast improvement. I look forward to seeing what its like when completed.

The characters I dislike I simply avoid interacting with aside from what's required for quests and geting a feel for the type of character they are.

 

[Savin]

But isn't the whole premise of these games that they're text adventures that change the values depending on user input? why can't this be used a little more? there's a whole genderbend thing for the one non femme companion, with a bunch of extra content

Because that would require a dramatic increase in writing/coding time. It may seem like a small thing, but when a fairly typical feature-rich NPC can run over 30,000 words all on his or her own, having to default to the parser for every single pronoun and body part call is going to add, I dunno, let's say another 20% to your word count setting aside how many actual hand-written variations you'd have to write to account for differing genital arrangements or the presence/lack/size of breasts. For NPCs that lack dicks of their own to begin with, you'd have to write entirely new scenes from scratch for them to have dongs.

It would be easier for herm NPCs to convert to male on a technical level, but you'll find that even setting aside any moral or creative offense this may give (which would be quite a bit from most creators. I am sure the transwomen authors we work with would be thrilled by the sentiment), just removing boobs and masculinizing hips and ass is going to dramatically change the flow and tenor of nearly any sex scene. So it would have to, in large part, be rewritten by hand. I'd encourage you to go copy and paste a scene from, say, Lady Evergreen -- an overly voluptuous tanuki BBW milf, whose entire character is best summarized as "evil mommydom" -- and try your hand at editing the scene, just the text that it spits out, into her being a studly daddy dom. You'll quickly find out how much work that would take; then realize she's got something like 10 scenes already and her base content isn't even complete.

NPCs also don't typically have the same character sheets and parserization that the Player Character does. f.ex Queen Alissa doesn't have an [alissa.chest] parser, and if I tried calling it, it would come up wrong or with an error because all the numbers are big zeroes. Excepting a few special cases, NPCs only exist as text. You can actually see this come up when enemies use the generic tease texts and they all have flat chests and no ass, because the parser's trying to call on non-existent data.

The genderbent companion you mentioned was written entirely by hand; she doesn't really share much if any sex content with her male counterpart. Cuz, you know, completely different set of genitalia and also her outright sexuality changes.

 

[ShifterDreams]

after reading the salamander codex i was wondering why can't we have the uncommon eye colors like orange, red, green, and blue colors but can only have the gold colored eyes?

 

[GristleMcThornbody]

something is better than nothing

Only if you don't give a damn about the quality of your content.

 

[Alypia]

after reading the salamander codex i was wondering why can't we have the uncommon eye colors like orange, red, green, and blue colors but can only have the gold colored eyes?

More eye colors and appearance options are indeed on the docket. However, the appearance system as a whole is undergoing a large coding overhaul at the moment, so new appearances are more or less on hold until that's done.

 

[Emerald]

thankyou for explaining gay lingo to me, a very obviously gay dude

You expect me to know that when you're a newbie in terms of posting here. :U

 

[Tide Hunter]

That seems like a really annoying system to work with but I guess that's fair. though what's stopping you from going around it instead of through it? content can be toggled in the main menu so would it be possible to have two vertually identical events linked to an or switch?

As people have said a thousand times before, creating a content switch now would be a lot of work as the other switches were built into the game at the start so that everyone could account for it in their writing if the switch is relevant. Also virtually is spelled virtually. Please capitalize the beginnings of your sentences too.

I admit my coding skills are next to nonexistent beyond shitty copy-paste based modding but in terms of writing thats all it is, and stats wise it's mostly changing pre-existing values right?

There's relatively few characters where you could just swap and dump words to make it fit well with alternative demographics, and as has been pointed out, they don't really have parsers and stuff written for the things that you'd want changing because they weren't supposed to be changed, so there's a good bit more work on the coding side too.

Also, "that's" not "thats."

I read it, I just don't agree. Whether by poll or sales you can't base demand on people you haven't marketed to, and in terms of cost it's easier to adapt old content than to create new stuff, and it's not like gay furries are known for spending money on porn or anything...

It's very likely easier to adapt old content but if you want it to be good it's still going to be a large time investment. I don't think furries, regardless of sexuality, are known for spending money on poorly made porn which has them as an afterthought, so it would need to be an investment and a risk, a completely unnecessary one.

this makes more sense considering there's already lots of characters that fill these niches, but even then it's a pointless waste. would it really improve any players playthrough by knowing that other players were barred from that content?

Oftentimes I'd rather a character be open to sexing all champs, but for some the sexual content (and kinks) it does specifically need certain genitals. Like Kiyoko and Gwyn who are probably the main source of a pregnancy fetish in this game, I think. With Garret specifically, the sadomasochistic content is built around the champ being female: If you had some of the more basic scenes of his they could be shifted to male specifically but with how much of his sexual content is built around the champ having a pussy and being feminine, and would require drastic rewrites and changes to who he is to cater towards a male champion. I should know, my primary character went through this content with him, but I stopped doing that because of that time where he punched her because she wanted rough sex while pregnant.

again it adds nothing to the character and only serves to shit on fans who wanted it considering it's one of the few things that caters to them. why can't it be changed?

So any bit of content which does not make itself open to literally everyone, regardless of artistic intent, shits on people who want it regardless.

It can be changed but people here are not advocating for that because the characters are the result of the work done by writers, and changing the characters against their will is disrespectful for the writers. If they're open to changes (like how Savin has said that he's considered removing the size cap on Etheryn's ass for the tender/rough anal scenes, but hasn't, and I'm still bitter about that seriously I just want a cock larger than 12 inches that can still fuck her without being forced to do the monstrous scene) then it's alright to try to get them (especially by writing it yourself, but for what I want in regards to Etheryn that's pretty much purely on the coding side and if he decided not to make that change then I can live with it), but demanding changes against an author's will is just disrespectful.

^thats the joke

If nobody else can tell you're joking, then perhaps you should make better jokes. Also, once again, "that's."

something is better than nothing

Personally, I think I'd rather see nothing than see poorly made content.

thankyou for explaining gay lingo to me, a very obviously gay dude. you are wrong, that's not what that means.

Perhaps if you only looked at the first image of Quint, but if you looked at the second in-game image, you'd get, well, a different picture.

Again: long time player. started playing CoC 1 around 2017, arrived a little late for CoC 2 but definitely before Garret was introduced because it don't think it said on the update page that his content was slashed for male players and I played his whole stupid quest where he reveals himself to be a giant gary stu asshole. I do genuinely like these games and I'm saying this stuff after slogging through the bullshit to find any scenes that actually apply to me. Im talking about my problems with the game in good faith...

I do genuinely believe that you believe you're making good-faith arguments and points. You wouldn't be saying this if you didn't believe it, and that's the definition of what good faith is. The problem is that you're arguing for points which have been disused to death already, and which pretty much everyone here have already concluded are bad. also you forgot an apostrophe in the second "I'm."
In regards to Garret and the update page, well, unfortunate that you somehow missed the text on both (Backer update and public update) of the announcements that he was getting sex scenes which said that his stuff is m/f only.

why make this thread if you're all just going to get pissy with me for critiquing a game.

A lot of us make critiques and criticisms of the game (like myself, again, in regards to how I can't fuck Ryn's ass if the champ's dick is longer than 12 inches, and also how masturbation scenes still put you to sleep every time) and will discus those criticisms. But when a statement goes against a rather wide sentiment, like the idea that authors should be in charge of the work that they're writing, and the person making that argument insists on sticking to it (especially with a combative tone like "all of you who are disagreeing with me are just getting pissy"), people won't generally have patience for it.

 

[Balaknightfang]

n regards to how I can't fuck Ryn's ass if the champ's dick is longer than 12 inches

So, your lesson of the day:
If you expand your cock, fuck her ass monstrously, and then reduce it back down, she'll have stretched

 

[Tide Hunter]

So, your lesson of the day:
If you expand your cock, fuck her ass monstrously, and then reduce it back down, she'll have stretched

Oh, that's how? I remember reading people saying it's possible to stretch her ass, but I never figured it out. I couldn't find actual instructions on how to do it, so I just guessed like "maybe if you fuck her enough at 12 inches she'll shift and eventually be able to go slightly bigger," and when that didn't work I guessed that it may be if you try to do it monstrously repeatedly it'll eventually stretch to fit that (since at the end of the scene the character says they'll get their cock in her eventually).

It is still rather disappointing that I have to do the monstrous anal first, but at least I now know.

 

[Balaknightfang]

Yeah it's a
pain in the ass

 

[Furiae]

Quinn has next to no content and is femme as hell, he's literally a pink bunny

Just because he has a mathematically better ass than Cait doesn't make him "femme." (Unless the definition of that's changed. God knows usage of "twink" has since the first time I hit a gay bar 20 years ago) He's a pretty good balance between Brint and Berwyn, both in body and personality type.

I'm a cis woman who prefers to play gay male characters, and my taste is generally more attracted to the masculine, so I'm definitely sympathetic. I've probably gone through all Brint and Quin's possible scenes a zillion times and eagerly look forward to more. (seriously I cannot thank @Wsan and @BubbleLord enough for the great work they've done - when I meet a new male character and see their names credited, I cheer)

And when you're hitting on Garret and he recommends JUNE, it is pretty laughable (he's a cutie, but other than being Lupine they have nothing in common). TBH the only Garret sex scene I personally enjoyed was the 3-way with Brint so I don't mind his being particular, but I do feel your pain.

I would love more male sex options of ANY type, to the point that I'm considering trying my hand at writing, because there's really nothing else for it. I sure as hell don't wanna read some half-assed scenes written by someone who clearly isn't into it. The nice thing is that instead of being limited to crappy western rpg-style lip service to male love interests (I'm still annoyed with KOTR and it's been AGES lol), we actually have the chance to get what we want here.

The only thing other than free time holding me back is the thought of dealing with all those parser options. As a consumer I love them, but as a writer... well, I definitely understand why y'all banned taurs and nagas

 

[smut games are great]

I mean, everyone knows the sport of golf was invented when Bullroarer Took knocked Chief Golfimbol's head off and sent it flying into a hole in the ground with his wooden club, so "golfball-sized" is perfectly reasonable.

I think Tolkien might be horrified to know the Hobbit is being referenced for a text smut RPG with giant demon girl horse cock. But, I also applaud the answer.

 

[WolframL]

I think Tolkien might be horrified to know the Hobbit is being referenced for a text smut RPG with giant demon girl horse cock. But, I also applaud the answer.

Makes me wonder what Jim Butcher would think about a hung horsey girl with a thing for elf pussy being named for one of his minor characters, in said smut game. But given that she only exists because he wanted to prove a point about how craft can make a bad concept work (and one of the concepts he was given to work with was Pokemon) I imagine he'd have a good sense of humor about it if he ever found out.

Tolkien? Yeah, he'd probably be spinning in his grave. But only because he never got a chance to vicariously experience the joys of giant demon girl horse cock, I'm sure.

 

[smut games are great]

He cheated. He didn't do Pokemon but what they were based on. Clever bastard.

 

[Alypia]

There are a lot of references that go into these games. TiTS has a whole thread about 'em that doesn't come close to capturing everything.

Most of my referential content is in silly mode, but I've drawn heavily on academic history titles for a lot of things as well, and even directly quoted the late David Herlihy (under a different, in-universe name) in the Currency codex entry. But I'm a relatively new writer, and the likes of Savin, wsan, SKoW, Tobs, and Bubbs have far more references to their names. Lusameme in particular is chock full of 'em.

 

[smut games are great]

There's also something like this for Ryn right now. Savin's mentioned that she's got two stats that dictate her personality (Libido and an invisible confidence meter) and it's going to have a noticeable effect on the Winter City content. Right now you can build her up by making her more confident (to the point that she's looking forward to punching the sister she was previously terrified of the next time they meet) or you can break her down even more and basically give her a wicked victim complex where she comes to think she deserves the degradation. If you're a horrible person. (loads up a save to give Ryn a hug and cuddle, just because)

I keep hearing about Ryn. She is sorta the mascot of the game at this point. On Corruption, I am torn. On the one hand you do want to degrade and break someone because fucked up power fantasy. But on the other hand, that transforms every interaction into that of abuser and sex object. My personal taste would be to degrade but offer a fucked up but geniune affection as a master. That leads into my main gripe with the game so far, there isn't a lot of Corruption options right now. For a game with the premise of going full rape conqueror or being the pure hero, I don't feel you can be that bad and be rewarded for it as is. Minus a few one time events like forcefully fucking Sugo when you find him.

Overall though, vast improvement over the first game and the party system makes combat so much more enjoyable then the madness of TITS. Though, on the other hand, fighting multiple enemies can be murder gangbang if it goes wrong. Still, fun game.