Your gripes with CoC II

[wery12345]

Honestly now that I think about it, cool as the new imp the the undermountain unlocks(and the 4k you get per fight) the fact you can get 4 skirmishers or 4 warlocks kinda makes the fights harder then I feel was intended sometimes. Like 150 resolve damage taken in a single rotation of turns, and I dont know what to do about that.

 

[cat59]

My two biggest complaints are how the game seems to be so massively hetero focused. Going from the wiki, which could be outdated or have some incorrect information, the game has over double the amount of female, or mostly female, characters than it has male (If you count hermaphrodites/'dickgirls'). This honestly isn't that much of a change from the first game, where it was a similar case, there's just more characters in general this time around. (And yes, also counting things like 'cultist fanatic' as a single character for the respective genders in which they can spawn)

And my second complaint is how basically all of the males that are in the game are either twinks/'traps', or very muscled figures who are completely smooth from the neck down, with the exception of the furry/pseudo-furry ones. (I mean seriously, why can't men grow body hair in 90% of modern media?)

 

[WolframL]

That's pretty much entirely down to the combination of writer preference for working on females (in any combination of sexual equipment) and the general preferences of the fanbase according to all the metrics the devs have access to. Since there isn't much interest in writing sexable males (which isn't the same as there being no interest) they don't have the variety that female characters do and writer preferences aside some of what does get written is dictated by the setting. Khor'minos is going to feature mostly muscled hunks because minotaurs, for example.

The surest way to get more male characters that meet whatever your preferences are would be to write them yourself or commission someone to do it for you.

 

[Burnerbro]

My two biggest complaints are how the game seems to be so massively hetero focused. Going from the wiki, which could be outdated or have some incorrect information, the game has over double the amount of female, or mostly female, characters than it has male (If you count hermaphrodites/'dickgirls'). This honestly isn't that much of a change from the first game, where it was a similar case, there's just more characters in general this time around. (And yes, also counting things like 'cultist fanatic' as a single character for the respective genders in which they can spawn)

And my second complaint is how basically all of the males that are in the game are either twinks/'traps', or very muscled figures who are completely smooth from the neck down, with the exception of the furry/pseudo-furry ones. (I mean seriously, why can't men grow body hair in 90% of modern media?)

Pretty much summed up in the below portion of this sticky post:

Who are you writing to?

This is really high level meta shit that you can safely ignore unless it is your actual job to sell these games.

So, the next step of "know your audience" is to actually go beyond the game. Who is this character REALLY aimed at, the person behind the computer screen?

It's straight males. Straight up. By volume, the vast majority of the people who play porn games are males who identify as straight. Their deeds in-game do not matter -- they could blow three dozen minotaurs one after the other and they will still be straight males in real life, subject to a straight male's desires.

What does this mean?

It means that writing a male character is an order of magnitude more difficult than a female one. There will be people who write him off simply for being male because they don't have any interest in men, and this is normal. This can be easily prevented -- make him an effeminate, non-threatening, boyish, and cutesy.

Now you've actually gone all the way around, funnily enough, and straight males love him again. By pounding the fuck out of his bubbly butt, they are asserting their manhood over his -- and it's reinforced by the fact he loves it. Does this make him less of a good character? No. You can even invert the trope (as Berwyn does) and have him be a bratty dominant if you prefer.

It also means that "male writing" is omnipresent. This is not simply just men writing the way men write, but also men writing what men enjoy (not necessarily to the exclusion of what everyone else enjoys, but they are not the focus).

It means that when you write a lesbian character, you are probably not even writing it for lesbians (which are a vanishingly small percentage of the porn game population). You are probably writing it for a straight male who wants the lesbian experience.

This may be disheartening to read but I suspect that most of the writers who write gay stuff already knew. The reason they were writing in the first place is likely because they felt the other content wasn't catering to them… because it wasn't.

This may make no difference to you whatsoever, or you might find yourself wondering why this matters. If that's the case, good -- it probably doesn't.\

That being said, I am with you on wanting more regular, non-bara, non-twink and non-furry dudes. Finding out that there are no kitsune lads that would deign to sleep with the Champ while not being raging assholes was disheartening. I take solice in the absence of the Ugly Bastards, may their tag be forever cursed and cast down into the deepest, darkest bowels of porn hell.

Edit: ninja'd!

 

[Kesil]

I for one am okay with the "ugly" part, but not so much with the "bastard" one, as consensual is my #1 kink, so to speak.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Reject the ugly bastard tag. Embrace the glorious wholesomeness of yuri my comrades.

 

[PenitentLiar]

Reject the ugly bastard tag. Embrace the glorious wholesomeness of yuri my comrades.

Reject UB, embrace wholesome

 

[cat59]

That's pretty much entirely down to the combination of writer preference for working on females (in any combination of sexual equipment) and the general preferences of the fanbase according to all the metrics the devs have access to. Since there isn't much interest in writing sexable males (which isn't the same as there being no interest) they don't have the variety that female characters do and writer preferences aside some of what does get written is dictated by the setting. Khor'minos is going to feature mostly muscled hunks because minotaurs, for example.

The surest way to get more male characters that meet whatever your preferences are would be to write them yourself or commission someone to do it for you.

I have issues with that kind of mentality, but I'm not a creator, so I'll keep that to myself. Still, who would I go to in order to commission something like that, preferrably a lot of things like that so it's not just a single throw

 

[Burnerbro]

I for one am okay with the "ugly" part, but not so much with the "bastard" one, as consensual is my #1 kink, so to speak.

Same here. A dude needs to be a bastard for me to consider him capital U ugly, otherwise all those characters would have just been fat old men who can very well deserve getting some hot action if they can pull off getting anyone fully on board with the idea.

I have issues with that kind of mentality, but I'm not a creator, so I'll keep that to myself. Still, who would I go to in order to commission something like that, preferrably a lot of things like that so it's not just a single throw

You can commission any writer you personally trust to create the content you have in mind. Obviously, the established CoC2 writers can provide you with good feedback on which of your ideas have the best chance to get approved and implemented, plus they would have a much easier time with shaping all the hotness they write into a submission that follows all the guidelines and uses parsers properly. However most of them seem quite busy atm, so if you chooses one of them the wait time might be significant.

If you check the Event Sumbissions sub-forum, you will find there the personal threads of all the regular CoC2 content creators, and in those threads their commission and contact information as well as updates on their workload. Oh, and some of the writers that primarily work on TiTS content have dabbled in CoC2, and might be willing to take a comm, so you can check the writer threads there.

 

[SmithEK]

Money is charged for an early access game though. Ofc stuff isn't gonna be finished.

What you and each of us are doing is downloading little baby step patches either monthly or weekly and you seriously expect these patches to hold full story or character arcs? Also have you ever tried writing? If you do and don't feel like writing specific things or continuing on old things, then you shouldn't. The outcome is gonna be shit otherwise.

You're putting words in my mouth. If you read my post properly I never said the game was finished. It's my right to my opinion, sorry if it upset you. If you're going to write for a game or whatever then yes people expect you to actually complete it, not leave it half finished. I was mostly talking about characters that have been left incomplete not the story nor the arcs. This was also aimed at all three games, seeing as CoC was left unfinished and some of TiTs characters are missing content. Also I'm aware TiTs is along way off from finishing.

 

[wery12345]

Which characters are you talking about? People could help you understand why some characters are dead ended.

 

[SmithEK]

Which characters are you talking about? People could help you understand why some characters are dead ended.

In TiTs we have Embry(?) The monkey girl, someone asked about her being finished and was told no. Dr Belle and her live in pet (sorry can't remember her name), the pregnancy wasn't completed. CoC Loppes expansion, well tbh I know the vanilla version is a dead game. My gripe was a gripe in general.. I know neither game is finished, I get life gets in the way or outside forces piss on your content and you have to remove it.. I like playing games and games like these I like getting invested in it, it's why I pay for backer.

 

[Emerald]

Khor'minos is going to feature mostly muscled hunks because minotaurs, for example.

Are we really sure about that tho? I keep seeing this said but I've been seeing a lot of chicks in the bust and name arsenal. And none really in the way of like... actual guys outside the femboi Mino.

 

[Emerald]

In TiTs we have Embry(?) The monkey girl, someone asked about her being finished and was told no. Dr Belle and her live in pet (sorry can't remember her name), the pregnancy wasn't completed. CoC Loppes expansion, well tbh I know the vanilla version is a dead game. My gripe was a gripe in general.. I know neither game is finished, I get life gets in the way or outside forces piss on your content and you have to remove it.. I like playing games and games like these I like getting invested in it, it's why I pay for backer.

Embry we all know to tale of, and nobody has been able to really live up to Jim's standards. I heard there was SOMEONE trying to pick her back up after multiple others failed to, however they vanished into the ether again after doing it once. So I don't have any hope of Embry getting finished, regardless of who takes her up as her whole crew content was very very ambitious. So she's as "complete" as she can get rn, especially since her whole thing was very convoluted for the setting anyhow.

The doctor is because Hugs isn't writing for the games anymore (Idk if it extends to TiTS but I know he isn't allowed to write for CoC2 x.x), and as a result his characters are dead ends.

 

[Emerald]

Also I saw that Hugs really isn't happy about Berry getting a genderswap so this is making me squint at the notion of B writing him as a girl even optionally and I almost want to take back the praise about the whole thing being optional as good.

(in fact it's making me squint even more at the presumed notion that he "fucked off" voluntarily.)

 

[Animalistic]

Ah, yeah, I saw that. I do feel bad for him. Especially since what he is saying about Berwyn is consistent about initial pitch and promises B put about respecting Hugses wishes before, well, Wynne happened.
But I do not know full story and circumstances behind his departure. So while I also have qualms with this whole development, I can not really start throwing accusations at either directions willy nilly.
And at same time, whatever the reason as to why he can not write for CoC2 anymore from larger playerbase perspective does not matter. B took over for him. Reasons for it may be untold, but if this whole TF/gender questioning things gives me more content of my favourite male companion, I can not really complain. Do not like implications of genderbending another male companion (stay safe Quint), but seems to be better handled than what Brienne ended up.
And finally, this whole changing character direction thing is not uncommon in larger, team developed projects such as CoC2. So at the end of it, to tiered to think. Goin back to writing.

 

[Bast]

You're putting words in my mouth. If you read my post properly I never said the game was finished. It's my right to my opinion, sorry if it upset you. If you're going to write for a game or whatever then yes people expect you to actually complete it, not leave it half finished. I was mostly talking about characters that have been left incomplete not the story nor the arcs. This was also aimed at all three games, seeing as CoC was left unfinished and some of TiTs characters are missing content. Also I'm aware TiTs is along way off from finishing.

My core statement still holds true though. Game isn't finished. So why expect things to be finished? Anything even.

Even characters that are not receiving updates right now, might maybe still get them in the future. Like I heard someone else is now in charge of Berwyn content?
I'd understand your gripes if the thing that they were selling would indeed be labelled as a finished product.

Can't say anything about the first CoC though. I know that it's dead and is probably never gonna get finished but was there ever even a price tag on the game or was it always freeware? I have no idea honestly.

 

[SmithEK]

Yeah Berry quest 2 and sex change sorta.

 

[WolframL]

Are we really sure about that tho? I keep seeing this said but I've been seeing a lot of chicks in the bust and name arsenal. And none really in the way of like... actual guys outside the femboi Mino.

Perhaps I should have specified that when it comes to male characters they're going to be that way, because that's just how minotaurs are on average. Nikol is noteworthy as an exception but there are some teaser docs out there for future content that very much skew towards the 'muscled hunk' type I mentioned. They just don't have art assets, except for the gate guard captain.

 

[BadDragoon]

B took over for him. Reasons for it may be untold, but if this whole TF/gender questioning things gives me more content of my favourite male companion, I can not really complain. Do not like implications of genderbending another male companion (stay safe Quint), but seems to be better handled than what Brienne ended up.

This is why I was on the fence regarding Berwyn TFs. On one hand its nice to get more content for the best boy but on the other hand it feels kinda bad considering that all of the gender swapping content so far has been for male companions of which there are so few.

 

[wery12345]

I can see the issues with the female TFs but some part of me gets a chuckle that any male companions gotta watch there back cause the PC gonna make everyone into a woman.

 

[jwins]

So there's finally an option for Eryka to get rid of her dick and stop getting that fucking dream every time I go to bed. And it requires giving her a handie. WHY DOES TOBS THE UNIVERSE DEMAND WE FUCK HER? Guess it's back to the woods with her. I'm so excited to see how this decision will fuck me over in the ending.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Maybe it's my personal preferences, but I'm still not bothered at the chance to have Wynne. That's still optional, and Berry would've changed some way eventually as original doc material ran out and development progressed. I don't know if B or anyone even fully knows what Hugs's original vision was, besides Hugs. I don't have that information. I'll admit to a personal bias since I'm not fond of vanilla Berry, and Hugs's feelings are valid. But I still want to remain optimistic and not get all doom and gloom and start side eying every update for Berry.

Do not like implications of genderbending another male companion (stay safe Quint), but seems to be better handled than what Brienne ended up.

Brienne is top tier and we can't stop until every single companion, nay every single character, has become busty waifu bait.

So there's finally an option for Eryka to get rid of her dick and stop getting that fucking dream every time I go to bed. And it requires giving her a handie. WHY DOES TOBS THE UNIVERSE DEMAND WE FUCK HER? Guess it's back to the woods with her. I'm so excited to see how this decision will fuck me over in the ending.

Be petty and give her a handy using a lot of ye olde Vaseline. She'll never be able to wash off the mess. Ever. Trust me, I know.

 

[SmithEK]

Do we have to remove her dick? Will she be getting more content related to the dedicking.. she mentioned something about wanting rid because etc etc.

 

[Lone Wolf115]

Alright, so two questions/gripes:

1. Why do you automatically lose when the player goes down? It makes no sense for companions to suddenly give up the moment the PC is defeated.
2. Why can't my companions use items?

You are a Sangheili officer and your companions are the grunts, you go down and they scatter. You know Halo.
Because like every other game, you don't do it yourself it won't get done.

 

[SmithEK]

Sometimes I hate Cait, she's meant to heal us during a fight if we need it but more times than not she doesn't. What use is she?

 

[Savin]

Sometimes I hate Cait, she's meant to heal us during a fight if we need it but more times than not she doesn't. What use is she?

Turn on manual mode if you want companions to behave intelligently XD

 

[Emerald]

Sometimes I hate Cait, she's meant to heal us during a fight if we need it but more times than not she doesn't. What use is she?

Bad AI. Manual mode is right there.

 

[SmithEK]

I think I prefer TiTs fighting solo.. at least if I die or get raped it's all my fault.

 

[Animalistic]

It bothers me more in context of the events than does it in practice.
Since at beggining the talk was all about respecting Hughes wishes and all that. Berwyn being a dom and staying a guy as main ones. Then short while later, after he had a fight with the team or something, all of it changes. Bam, here comes BerWynne and bam s/he (can) gains some big ol' tatas! Ahoy, therr romance and sub routes! Welcome to writing district. It all seems like Hirrurd situation, where this whole slew of events cascaded from spite. This kind of makes me wish that this was all planned from the start after hugs left. It would make it easier on my consciousness if nothing else.

As for context inside of the game... It is not really sending a positive message when it comes to people like guys when you put it like "Ey 2 out of 3 male companions can become girls." Which in context of playerbase that vastly prefers female NPCs makes sense. Caveat being that it feels that the enjoyment of small percentage of guy, gals and everyone inbetween is being sacrificed for sake of larger whole. But I must punctuate, it feels like that. Not that it is.

Now getting all that out of the way and focusing on what is being worked on... I love it. B is one of my favorite writers from TiTS and seeing him dip more and more into writing for CoC2 makes me all kinds of happy. But can not say thay I am not a little worried that Berwyn is going to get white washed to appeal to masses. I like his boyish charms, his cocky demeanour when comes to sex yet how he can be so valnurable underneath it.
But, once again, judging by what B wrote and Berwyns bad end designed by him, even these worries are basesd more out my own paranoia than on any basis of current reality. I just need to go dom route and bam, my very own dogy bull is back.
And cboy Berry is buttering me up, can not lie.

Still this does help me to win arguments with people. If anyone ever uses the excuses "it would not fit the character/character does not want it" as to why we can not TF them (Ryn) I will just point them at Berry. If there is a will, there is a way.