Your gripes with CoC II

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Wint3rRyd3r

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2. Why can't my companions use items?

Because either carrying around a bag with items would mess with their aesthetic, or the loot gremlin of a champion won't share.

Though a more serious answer/guess, it's probably originally to keep them from spamming items when set to automatic.
 

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1. Because fuck you RPG logic and probably because it helps balance things for the real answer.
2. There in your big backpack that is probably filled with Kobold that would bite them if they tried.
 
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Biggest gripe? Being punished by getting gated out of content for choosing the dark path, and the lack of content for it
pay or write it yourself, only main writers (people with purple names or higher) are being paid to write, everyone else is writing as a passion project and if no one feels like writing dark knight pc money could be an incentive for them to do it
 
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pay or write it yourself, only main writers (people with purple names or higher) are being paid to write, everyone else is writing as a passion project and if no one feels like writing dark knight pc money could be an incentive for them to do it
Why write it in the first place if they aren't going to continue it?
 

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Why write it in the first place if they aren't going to continue it?
[shrugs~] maybe they felt like it at the time and haven't done so in a while, often official content had dark knight personality, you've likely been seeing things that are written by non staff or just the staff was not in the mood to write for it, ces't la vie
 
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now that's a gripe in itself.. writers that start to write or even implement a character/scene/content and for some damn reason doesn't bother to finish/complete it. That is not only a gripe but bad shit esp when the gamers are charged to play the game.
 

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Not really, sometimes people go in thinking they would have the time to write there stuff but as life continues to show, that is just not the case sometimes and they need to bow out. From what ive seen so far theres maybe 2/3 pieces of content where the writes left and there pretty minor in the grand scheme.
 
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Not really, sometimes people go in thinking they would have the time to write there stuff but as life continues to show, that is just not the case sometimes and they need to bow out. From what ive seen so far theres maybe 2/3 pieces of content where the writes left and there pretty minor in the grand scheme.
Maybe but people pay to play (yes we don't have to and yes it's not complete) and I get life gets in the way but it's still a let down. Either content doesn't get finished or asshole restrictions cockblock everything. That's my opinion anyway.
 

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[shrugs~] maybe they felt like it at the time and haven't done so in a while, often official content had dark knight personality, you've likely been seeing things that are written by non staff or just the staff was not in the mood to write for it, ces't la vie
I doubt the traditional indie games release their content on a "per mood basis". Whatever, didn't they just release an Azzy update for the DK path where, after the hive swore loyalty to you, Azzy and the others attack you nonetheless? It just makes no sense; or that you have bimbo azzy in game for the light path, but not in the DK? It'd be better if they just removed the DK path altogether than punishing players for playing the content they made
 

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There's still tons of content that reflects the Champ having the Dark Knight personality or high Corruption, there just isn't much content for picking the obviously corrupt choices in certain quests (hive, centaur village, warcamp though that's less corrupt and more 'being chaotic stupid'). By way of recent examples, Ryn's sleep content makes extensive use of the [pc.dcb] parser including variations based on whether you're an asshole and Ryn is beaten down or whether you're an asshole and Ryn has some confidence in herself. There's also a victory sex option with the minotaur miners that's gated behind a minimum corruption threshold. Both of these were added in the last couple of patches.

Of the quests that don't support the 'corrupt' option heavily, Rite of Conquest itself isn't likely to change but Savin has talked about wanting to add some more content for exile!Arona in the future, we know the corrupted hive isn't something SKoW is interested in working on long-term but it did just get recognized in the new horny hornet knights and we don't really know whether there are plans for the centaur village but it's lacking in almost any post-quest content right now regardless of which way you resolved things, aside from marrying Ahmri.

PS> Bimbazzy isn't nearly as bimbofied as Azzy if you kick her into the corrupted honey.
 

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now that's a gripe in itself.. writers that start to write or even implement a character/scene/content and for some damn reason doesn't bother to finish/complete it. That is not only a gripe but bad shit esp when the gamers are charged to play the game.
Money is charged for an early access game though. Ofc stuff isn't gonna be finished.

What you and each of us are doing is downloading little baby step patches either monthly or weekly and you seriously expect these patches to hold full story or character arcs? Also have you ever tried writing? If you do and don't feel like writing specific things or continuing on old things, then you shouldn't. The outcome is gonna be shit otherwise.
 
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Honestly now that I think about it, cool as the new imp the the undermountain unlocks(and the 4k you get per fight) the fact you can get 4 skirmishers or 4 warlocks kinda makes the fights harder then I feel was intended sometimes. Like 150 resolve damage taken in a single rotation of turns, and I dont know what to do about that.
 

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My two biggest complaints are how the game seems to be so massively hetero focused. Going from the wiki, which could be outdated or have some incorrect information, the game has over double the amount of female, or mostly female, characters than it has male (If you count hermaphrodites/'dickgirls'). This honestly isn't that much of a change from the first game, where it was a similar case, there's just more characters in general this time around. (And yes, also counting things like 'cultist fanatic' as a single character for the respective genders in which they can spawn)

And my second complaint is how basically all of the males that are in the game are either twinks/'traps', or very muscled figures who are completely smooth from the neck down, with the exception of the furry/pseudo-furry ones. (I mean seriously, why can't men grow body hair in 90% of modern media?)
 
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That's pretty much entirely down to the combination of writer preference for working on females (in any combination of sexual equipment) and the general preferences of the fanbase according to all the metrics the devs have access to. Since there isn't much interest in writing sexable males (which isn't the same as there being no interest) they don't have the variety that female characters do and writer preferences aside some of what does get written is dictated by the setting. Khor'minos is going to feature mostly muscled hunks because minotaurs, for example.

The surest way to get more male characters that meet whatever your preferences are would be to write them yourself or commission someone to do it for you.
 

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My two biggest complaints are how the game seems to be so massively hetero focused. Going from the wiki, which could be outdated or have some incorrect information, the game has over double the amount of female, or mostly female, characters than it has male (If you count hermaphrodites/'dickgirls'). This honestly isn't that much of a change from the first game, where it was a similar case, there's just more characters in general this time around. (And yes, also counting things like 'cultist fanatic' as a single character for the respective genders in which they can spawn)

And my second complaint is how basically all of the males that are in the game are either twinks/'traps', or very muscled figures who are completely smooth from the neck down, with the exception of the furry/pseudo-furry ones. (I mean seriously, why can't men grow body hair in 90% of modern media?)
Pretty much summed up in the below portion of this sticky post:
Who are you writing to?

This is really high level meta shit that you can safely ignore unless it is your actual job to sell these games.

So, the next step of "know your audience" is to actually go beyond the game. Who is this character REALLY aimed at, the person behind the computer screen?

It's straight males. Straight up. By volume, the vast majority of the people who play porn games are males who identify as straight. Their deeds in-game do not matter -- they could blow three dozen minotaurs one after the other and they will still be straight males in real life, subject to a straight male's desires.

What does this mean?

It means that writing a male character is an order of magnitude more difficult than a female one. There will be people who write him off simply for being male because they don't have any interest in men, and this is normal. This can be easily prevented -- make him an effeminate, non-threatening, boyish, and cutesy.

Now you've actually gone all the way around, funnily enough, and straight males love him again. By pounding the fuck out of his bubbly butt, they are asserting their manhood over his -- and it's reinforced by the fact he loves it. Does this make him less of a good character? No. You can even invert the trope (as Berwyn does) and have him be a bratty dominant if you prefer.

It also means that "male writing" is omnipresent. This is not simply just men writing the way men write, but also men writing what men enjoy (not necessarily to the exclusion of what everyone else enjoys, but they are not the focus).

It means that when you write a lesbian character, you are probably not even writing it for lesbians (which are a vanishingly small percentage of the porn game population). You are probably writing it for a straight male who wants the lesbian experience.

This may be disheartening to read but I suspect that most of the writers who write gay stuff already knew. The reason they were writing in the first place is likely because they felt the other content wasn't catering to them… because it wasn't.

This may make no difference to you whatsoever, or you might find yourself wondering why this matters. If that's the case, good -- it probably doesn't.\
That being said, I am with you on wanting more regular, non-bara, non-twink and non-furry dudes. Finding out that there are no kitsune lads that would deign to sleep with the Champ while not being raging assholes was disheartening. I take solice in the absence of the Ugly Bastards, may their tag be forever cursed and cast down into the deepest, darkest bowels of porn hell.

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That's pretty much entirely down to the combination of writer preference for working on females (in any combination of sexual equipment) and the general preferences of the fanbase according to all the metrics the devs have access to. Since there isn't much interest in writing sexable males (which isn't the same as there being no interest) they don't have the variety that female characters do and writer preferences aside some of what does get written is dictated by the setting. Khor'minos is going to feature mostly muscled hunks because minotaurs, for example.

The surest way to get more male characters that meet whatever your preferences are would be to write them yourself or commission someone to do it for you.
I have issues with that kind of mentality, but I'm not a creator, so I'll keep that to myself. Still, who would I go to in order to commission something like that, preferrably a lot of things like that so it's not just a single throw
 
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I for one am okay with the "ugly" part, but not so much with the "bastard" one, as consensual is my #1 kink, so to speak.
Same here. A dude needs to be a bastard for me to consider him capital U ugly, otherwise all those characters would have just been fat old men who can very well deserve getting some hot action if they can pull off getting anyone fully on board with the idea.
I have issues with that kind of mentality, but I'm not a creator, so I'll keep that to myself. Still, who would I go to in order to commission something like that, preferrably a lot of things like that so it's not just a single throw
You can commission any writer you personally trust to create the content you have in mind. Obviously, the established CoC2 writers can provide you with good feedback on which of your ideas have the best chance to get approved and implemented, plus they would have a much easier time with shaping all the hotness they write into a submission that follows all the guidelines and uses parsers properly. However most of them seem quite busy atm, so if you chooses one of them the wait time might be significant.

If you check the Event Sumbissions sub-forum, you will find there the personal threads of all the regular CoC2 content creators, and in those threads their commission and contact information as well as updates on their workload. Oh, and some of the writers that primarily work on TiTS content have dabbled in CoC2, and might be willing to take a comm, so you can check the writer threads there.
 
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Money is charged for an early access game though. Ofc stuff isn't gonna be finished.

What you and each of us are doing is downloading little baby step patches either monthly or weekly and you seriously expect these patches to hold full story or character arcs? Also have you ever tried writing? If you do and don't feel like writing specific things or continuing on old things, then you shouldn't. The outcome is gonna be shit otherwise.
You're putting words in my mouth. If you read my post properly I never said the game was finished. It's my right to my opinion, sorry if it upset you. If you're going to write for a game or whatever then yes people expect you to actually complete it, not leave it half finished. I was mostly talking about characters that have been left incomplete not the story nor the arcs. This was also aimed at all three games, seeing as CoC was left unfinished and some of TiTs characters are missing content. Also I'm aware TiTs is along way off from finishing.
 
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Which characters are you talking about? People could help you understand why some characters are dead ended.
In TiTs we have Embry(?) The monkey girl, someone asked about her being finished and was told no. Dr Belle and her live in pet (sorry can't remember her name), the pregnancy wasn't completed. CoC Loppes expansion, well tbh I know the vanilla version is a dead game. My gripe was a gripe in general.. I know neither game is finished, I get life gets in the way or outside forces piss on your content and you have to remove it.. I like playing games and games like these I like getting invested in it, it's why I pay for backer.
 

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Khor'minos is going to feature mostly muscled hunks because minotaurs, for example.
Are we really sure about that tho? I keep seeing this said but I've been seeing a lot of chicks in the bust and name arsenal. And none really in the way of like... actual guys outside the femboi Mino.
 
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In TiTs we have Embry(?) The monkey girl, someone asked about her being finished and was told no. Dr Belle and her live in pet (sorry can't remember her name), the pregnancy wasn't completed. CoC Loppes expansion, well tbh I know the vanilla version is a dead game. My gripe was a gripe in general.. I know neither game is finished, I get life gets in the way or outside forces piss on your content and you have to remove it.. I like playing games and games like these I like getting invested in it, it's why I pay for backer.
Embry we all know to tale of, and nobody has been able to really live up to Jim's standards. I heard there was SOMEONE trying to pick her back up after multiple others failed to, however they vanished into the ether again after doing it once. So I don't have any hope of Embry getting finished, regardless of who takes her up as her whole crew content was very very ambitious. So she's as "complete" as she can get rn, especially since her whole thing was very convoluted for the setting anyhow.

The doctor is because Hugs isn't writing for the games anymore (Idk if it extends to TiTS but I know he isn't allowed to write for CoC2 x.x), and as a result his characters are dead ends.
 
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