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Skunkupine

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In my experience, the biggest reason to Sleep on New Texas is training at the Ten Ton Gym. However, eating at the Bucking Bronco counts as Resting for 4 hours* in 24 minutes. Doesn't matter what you order. Amusingly, because it counts as Resting, you recover more Energy with the Home Cooking Status.

*-1 Soreness and a percentage of Maximum Energy, rather than a fixed amount. With Augment-Weave Armor and Home Cooking, you recover all Soreness & Energy in 2 - 3 meals (0:48 - 1:12).
Or have Yammi and Pippa on board - you can get ride of all soreness with a couple of massages, and then eat a meal from Yammi and get both Home Cooking and full energy, AND not gain any Thickness.
 

Tide Hunter

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In my experience, the biggest reason to Sleep on New Texas is training at the Ten Ton Gym.
I was not aware of it requiring the player to be on New Texas. My characters do generally sleep a lot on New Texas though because I can't avoid the minmax instinct to level everything at the gym. My awareness of the requirements was based on the wiki, where it says that the player must have been to New Texas, but going and testing it it does seem that it's only if you're still on it. Either way it does still violate the player's consent, particularly if they aren't aware of how its conditions work, but that does somewhat mitigate it.
However, eating at the Bucking Bronco counts as Resting for 4 hours* in 24 minutes. Doesn't matter what you order. Amusingly, because it counts as Resting, you recover more Energy with the Home Cooking Status.

*-1 Soreness and a percentage of Maximum Energy, rather than a fixed amount. With Augment-Weave Armor and Home Cooking, you recover all Soreness & Energy in 2 - 3 meals (0:48 - 1:12).
While sleep decreases soreness by 3, the decrease you get from resting actually counts for any time. I only actually realized this recently, but you can clear three stacks of soreness by just pressing wait 5 minutes three times. Main reason to sleep instead of either of those is just that it fully restores energy though.
 

Theron

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While sleep decreases soreness by 3, the decrease you get from resting actually counts for any time. I only actually realized this recently, but you can clear three stacks of soreness by just pressing wait 5 minutes three times. Main reason to sleep instead of either of those is just that it fully restores energy though.
I'm fairly certain that's a bug and will get fixed eventually, but it's pretty low on the priority list*. Bucking Bronco should always work.
*If they know about it. I know it's been reported.
 

Dusty77

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I don't understand. What are the technical constraints in question ?

After all, if you don't know, I'm not going to ask any more.
 

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It produces a gameplay/narrative dissonance colliding with player expectations. Give the player 4 arms and there'll be many who say 'ok but they have to be a mechanic'. How? Universally those who want it say 'cuz i want to use 4 weapons at once', or some variation of it. This would fuck up the combat balance.

On top of that, it would require a lot of retroactive busywork added to hundreds of scenes across millions of words for the tiny amount of variation it gives. There's no real budget or motivation for that.
 

Dusty77

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ok, I understand that but...
We could then draw the same parallel with the fact that the character can have a taur body or that he has tentacles or that he can even use his wings in combat...
I find that logical but also a bit silly.

After all, I just want to have 4 arms to complete my character, not to use an extra pair of arms in combat. But again, I understand the argument for not adding them.
 

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Y'know that part of Disco 3000 where you ask Sera why she's taking you and not Jardi, and she asks what's more impressive, Jardi or "the son/daughter of Fuck Rogers."

Can "Victor Steele" be replaced by "Fuck Rogers" in Silly Mode?
 

2boo4berry

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more seriously the option to pick up the subtuner collar and break it into a million pieces. Or just a button to remove Belle from the game, I'm not picky. For much the same reason (I assume) there are those options for Badger and Jasvalla.

Everything about Belle and how her quest presents genuinely upsets me. Much more than the two mentioned above to be frank. I can go on ignoring the collar on Uveto, though I find even that slightly triggering otherwise I wouldn't be typing this post at all. Just figured it could be worth mentioning, assuming I'm not completely off the mark on why Jas and Badger got that option.
 

Shadowmetachu

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ok, I understand that but...
We could then draw the same parallel with the fact that the character can have a taur body or that he has tentacles or that he can even use his wings in combat...
I find that logical but also a bit silly.

After all, I just want to have 4 arms to complete my character, not to use an extra pair of arms in combat. But again, I understand the argument for not adding them.
I know somewhere it's mentioned that Fen didn't want to tie combat to transformations the way it was in CoC, so that people have the freedom to just use whatever transforms they want;

That said, the game ALREADY gives the perfect justification for avoiding that in the fight with Dane; he specifically says only 1/1000 naturally two-armed people can independently coordinate that many arms (with him being one of them). Vic may have modded us to be basically a monster in bed and battle, lol, but I don't think he had the opportunity (or legal ability) to mod us to THAT extent. So even if we have the extra arms we can't fight with them or use them well enough for it to be a gameplay problem.

Therefore, I totally agree it should be an option. Honestly, it's not like there aren't a ton of tiny variations across the game's scenes anyway, or stuff outright ignored due to NOT doing so. We just need someone to make the TF, or add the ability & lines to existing ones like the Gold Myr. Just need someone to want it bad enough and have the time / writing ability lol.
 

Shadowmetachu

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Y'know that part of Disco 3000 where you ask Sera why she's taking you and not Jardi, and she asks what's more impressive, Jardi or "the son/daughter of Fuck Rogers."

Can "Victor Steele" be replaced by "Fuck Rogers" in Silly Mode?
Also yes please, that would be amazing xD.

You CAN sorta do this currently though with the Custom Language Filters in options! A bit tricky though, since it doesn't allow you to type spaces at the end of the text; You have to type VictorSteele and then scroll back to put the space in the middle. It also doesn't look quite right, as it will only capitalize the first word, not any that come after it.

Actually, a bit of clever word-filter usage could probably sorta manage the multiple arms thing; Like, replace "right arm" with "both right arms" and so on. Not as good as properly adding the capability though, it wouldn't work right in all places I'm sure, and you'd probably want to make a custom portrait for your character since it wouldn't show on the existing one.
 

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I know somewhere it's mentioned that Fen didn't want to tie combat to transformations the way it was in CoC, so that people have the freedom to just use whatever transforms they want;
There are still some, but they're pretty minor, and generally not exclusive. (Wings do the same thing as Light Jetpack and Lunge. Extra Tease Attacks work mostly the same way and are all Drug.)
That said, the game ALREADY gives the perfect justification for avoiding that in the fight with Dane; he specifically says only 1/1000 naturally two-armed people can independently coordinate that many arms (with him being one of them).
Dr. Lessau says he's currently experimenting with multiple arms by giving up legs. With limited success.
Therefore, I totally agree it should be an option. Honestly, it's not like there aren't a ton of tiny variations across the game's scenes anyway, or stuff outright ignored due to NOT doing so.
IIRC, the biggest reason was not wanting to take into account what the other arms are doing during sex scenes. You're right, there are a lot of things that mostly aren't accounted for already, so that wouldn't be anything new. And of course, the later something is added, the less reflected it will be. If you do want to add lines to existing scenes, that's a huge amount of work. Even if written by a community member, somebody would have to go in and make the edits.
We just need someone to make the TF, or add the ability & lines to existing ones like the Gold Myr. Just need someone to want it bad enough and have the time / writing ability lol.
The hardest part would be convincing Fenoxo to go back on a fairly hard stance.

I think adding NPCs with multiple arms was a mistake. It would be one thing if the game wasn't so heavily Transformation focused, but as it is, multi-armed NPCs are dangling a Cool Thing in front of the player and saying 'you can never have this'. Especially since Steele can have 6 legs, 6 wings and 10 prehensile tails.
 
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Shadowmetachu

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I think adding NPCs with multiple arms was a mistake. It would be one thing if the game wasn't so heavily Transformation focused, but as it is, multi-armed NPCs are dangling a Cool Thing in front of the player and saying 'you can never have this'. Especially since Steele can have 6 legs, 6 wings and 10 prehensile tails.

...okay yeah that's a point. The wings and legs maybe less so since that's basically learning one single pattern of movement rather than the sheer complexity of what we often use hands for, but the tails definitely are a good point given they're prehensile.

Didn't know Fenoxo had a stance against multiple arms in the game though.
 

Shadowmetachu

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Oh, and the thing -I- personally want; More polycule opportunities lol. Aside from enjoying them personally, I like the idea that my character's loved ones have other people to be with when I don't have the time, which for this game is... a lot of it. Especially for those who can't be Crew. It's why one of my favorite parts of CoC was hooking up Urta and Katherine.

In particular for TiTS, it's a little annoying that there's no way (to my knowledge) to have Brandy start dating Sally and still get into a romantic relationship with her; The two are cute together if I recall. I'm hoping I can manage it with save editing, to get lucky and have the flags for them dating and your own relationship being casual/romantic be separate.
 
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more seriously the option to pick up the subtuner collar and break it into a million pieces. Or just a button to remove Belle from the game, I'm not picky. For much the same reason (I assume) there are those options for Badger and Jasvalla.

Everything about Belle and how her quest presents genuinely upsets me. Much more than the two mentioned above to be frank. I can go on ignoring the collar on Uveto, though I find even that slightly triggering otherwise I wouldn't be typing this post at all. Just figured it could be worth mentioning, assuming I'm not completely off the mark on why Jas and Badger got that option.
I never put it on, isn't it like the collar scene for Urbolg?
 

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I never put it on, isn't it like the collar scene for Urbolg?
Iirc correctly, you pick it up and it explicitly mentions it has "Sub-Tuner" on it and you then have the option to either leave it where you found it or put it on, so it's similar to the Urbolg scene in that its pretty sign-posted.

If you put it on Belle you go subby pet mode and Belle comes and collects you. She explains what the collar does and then it goes into one of her scenes that goes something like Spanking > Walkies > Blow her > Get fucked/Fuck Saec ( her other pet) and then you're free to go. After that you can go back and talk to her without doing any of her scenes if you don't want to. Unlike Urbolg collar/Badger/Jasvalla there's no bad-end associated with Belle.



Personally I'm a big fan of the sub-tuner stuff and I'd love to see similar content elsewhere as well as more Vava Groom but I don't either would happen anytime soon </3
 

2boo4berry

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Iirc correctly, you pick it up and it explicitly mentions it has "Sub-Tuner" on it and you then have the option to either leave it where you found it or put it on, so it's similar to the Urbolg scene in that its pretty sign-posted.

If you put it on Belle you go subby pet mode and Belle comes and collects you. She explains what the collar does and then it goes into one of her scenes that goes something like Spanking > Walkies > Blow her > Get fucked/Fuck Saec ( her other pet) and then you're free to go. After that you can go back and talk to her without doing any of her scenes if you don't want to. Unlike Urbolg collar/Badger/Jasvalla there's no bad-end associated with Belle.



Personally I'm a big fan of the sub-tuner stuff and I'd love to see similar content elsewhere as well as more Vava Groom but I don't either would happen anytime soon </3

The reason it triggers me is how the quest is presented. Yes, it is very dumb to just snap an electronic collar on your neck. But everything that follows removes any choice in how to react. And I don't mean the literally being hypnotized part-I mean how Steele deals with it after the fact. There are no options to express your discontent. If you proceed further, your crewmates and friends can even react positively to your situation. So from my perspective, the PC is being slowly brainwashed to not notice any of the glaring red flags in this situation and either others just think you're doing petplay or legit think it's fine. Oh, and then she puts a barcode on your ass, while you are not capable of refusing. This could be straight out of my nightmares at this point.

If you like Belle, great. I don't want her literally out of the game. I disagree that picking up the collar braces you for what to expect, certainly not well enough. Because the shock of it was part of what triggered me. And I do mean trigger, as is taking deep breaths trying not to have a panic attack triggered.

I also love Vava Groom. Kinda the polar opposite from Belle actually. Once reads as slavery-by-another-name and the other is presenting the same relationship as mutual, supportive, loving and 100% consensual where everybody knows what everybody's lines are. It's why I replied to your post about Anyx, I think she is one of the best dommes Steele can have; perfect blend of aggressive and caring. Sera's good in the opposite way, a complete bitch but actually respectful of your boundaries; everything she does to you is something you signed up for.

Also how about some Brat Sub Steele where acting the brat isn't considered a 'fail' or misbehaving, but the goal? Maybe service-top Siegwulfe? These are just thoughts.
 

IrrepairableEntropy

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With the recent expansion to Siegwulfe I would like to necro a very old comment of mine and state that I'd still like to see this happen. It'd be personally very cool to have the option to give her a bigger chest without having to go and get her bimbo-ified.
The ability to upgrade Siegwulfe into a more "advanced" (here having the meaning of "Sexy") frame without bimboification would be neat. Preferably it would keep her goth theme and would boost, say, evasion and accuracy? And additionally add in the underslung machine gun that's mentioned? (At least it's mentioned on the wiki.)
 
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We could then draw the same parallel with the fact that the character can have a taur body or that he has tentacles or that he can even use his wings in combat...
Just because we made stupid decisions in the past doesn't mean we should just keep doing them :p

Multiple arms aren't allowed because they'd require a massive amount of rewriting and then upkeep in all future -- like every time "both your arms" or "both hands" comes up. There's a decade of content that all was written assuming you had two arms, and would start sounding weird if you had more.
 

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Personally I'm a big fan of the sub-tuner stuff and I'd love to see similar content elsewhere as well as more Vava Groom but I don't either would happen anytime soon </3

You and me both! Shame about Vava room. The wiki says that Nonesuch's commission ran out of funds for him to finish it. Perhaps we should start a kickstarter or something to update and finish it. :p
 

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You and me both! Shame about Vava room. The wiki says that Nonesuch's commission ran out of funds for him to finish it. Perhaps we should start a kickstarter or something to update and finish it. :p
Or you can just commission him entirely to do the rest. lol

Seriously tho I'm forever sad that it was never expanded on/finished. Especially as someone who loves Petplay content
 
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shrikes

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Or you can just commission him entirely to do the rest. lol

Seriously tho I'm forever sad that it was never expanded on/finished.
I wish i could but my entire smut budget is being used to support Fen, Savin and several other creators... Adulting is hard. If only I was the heir to a galactic mining company magnate with access to a high-stakes blackjack table at the top floor of a seedy space pirate base...
 

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Multiple arms aren't allowed because they'd require a massive amount of rewriting and then upkeep in all future -- like every time "both your arms" or "both hands" comes up. There's a decade of content that all was written assuming you had two arms, and would start sounding weird if you had more.
I might say something stupid (I apologize in case) but... Why not use AI (like GPT chat) to create alternative versions of certain scenes. They don't all have to be generated by this method, but it would reduce the workload and make the creation of large amounts of writing less complicated... But then, yes, you'll have to check the quality

But beyond that, is it possible to make an estimate (in percentage) of the quantity of scene to rewrite for a character with 4 or more arms?
 

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I might say something stupid (I apologize in case) but... Why not use AI (like GPT chat) to create alternative versions of certain scenes. They don't all have to be generated by this method, but it would reduce the workload and make the creation of large amounts of writing less complicated... But then, yes, you'll have to check the quality

But beyond that, is it possible to make an estimate (in percentage) of the quantity of scene to rewrite for a character with 4 or more arms?
GPT chat AI steals writing from other writers. And pretty sure content it needs to be done by you to get in. So yes, speaking as an artist who hates AI being used as a replacement for something instead of a tool to help, this is a stupid question.
 
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