What content would you like added?
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In general, I'd also love for Corruption to eventually become both a more significant threat requiring a more proactive approach from the Champ AND a more developed source of extreme sexual content. Even knowing that is is a ton of extra work for the writers involved, I still think that the result will be worth it. However for reasons listed below I think any such development should take place in mid-to-late game:
Time gating is most likely out of the question from the get-go, since the devs expressed their desire to leave the day counter entirely decoupled from all the plot progression. Which leaves us with either event specific triggers for the corruption progression of each individual character and zone, or ones based entirely on progressing between the Acts.
Out of the three Acts planned, Act 1 is so open and freeform that implementing such a mechanic can really screw over any new players that don't follow wiki or guides. At the same time, the main quest points the player directly towards two major sources of corruption in the early game (Alraune and Winter City); dealing with one more (Centaur Village) is mandatory before the player can reach Khor'Minos and Act 2 proper without attacking minotaur guards and potentially turning a lot of their city hostile. All that doesn't leave much corruption to propagate and take over characters and zones without the player nurturing it and facilitating its spread.
In contrast, I imagine that by the end of Act 2 Kas's plans will kick into high gear and her invasion will finally come in full force. Changing zones and any characters left roaming them unprotected to reflect this shift is a tried and true trope for both western and Japanese RPGs.
Another thing that can limit the implementation of passive corruption is the fact that from the pure game feel perspective, a more hands-on approach is preferable nine times out of ten. Because when you just didn't get to meet the character enough times or do enough in a particular zone and then you return to find it corrupted - it feels like a frustrating failure. But if you have had a hand in the transformation or explicitely chose to leave a certain place or peoples to their fate, the resulting changes are satisfying fruits of your labor or just desserts you served to some assholes.
So something like this:
Though personally I'd prefer a less common and more cultured beefy route:
Yeah, going back to the Frostwood and suddenly finding out that either Vari, the Hellhound, Vatia or another named NPC suddenly is a demon would...suck.
Or going to the old forest and finding Viviane a demon (though for this one it seems you'll have opportunities to avoid).
Now as to the invasion, it's been mentioned that either the Wayfort or Hawkethorne could possibly be attacked.
Well, there is seaweave attire and the game already has ways to track if you have items for scene-unlocking purposes (Atugia and the fishnets were just added) so it's possible someone could write a scene involving some fun with those outfits.
This sort of thing would require adding a new system on top of the existing encounters to randomly proc some sort of fight scene and it would slow down the experience for people who are trying to find a particular encounter to shop, have sexy funtimes or whatever, if there's a random chance of having to fight some trash mobs first. That would get annoying really fast.
Uhhh, you do realize that adding a system like this would be a massive amount of work that would require going back to every single zone, adding new text to the tile descriptions and adding a ton of content to every encounter in them, right? That's a lot more work than I'm guessing you think it would be just to add the descriptions, much less to also do all the work to add a zone corruption mechanic to begin with.
As others have said, it's much more likely that specific encounters that can be reasonably managed will get corruption content but it will depend on the player making obvious choices and not be based on 'haha, you took too long/didn't engage in random fights so now we're punishing you'.
We don't know all the details yet but we're told there's a lot of content planned for the Wayfort including judging and defending the place. Renovations are also going to be a big part of it and the parser documentation provides a few hints for what's planned if you look at it.
Yeah, this is just straight-up punishing players for not playing in the 'right' way and missing the point that companion corruption is a bespoke thing that's going to have different triggers for each one, depending on what their writers want to do. And would be a metric fuckton of work to implement even if those weren't huge issues with the idea.
Yeah, it would be fun to have a selection of non-sexy interactions (along with other things like companion chatter), which I imagine is the sort of content the devs wouldn't be adverse to considering as a general matter if people were to write it.
You can already set up one of your companions with another NPC if you so choose, Lia and Azzy. You can send Cait to take care of Berwyn and/or Ryn's needs and if you do any of the scenes that lead to Ryn and Arona having sex, it will add background interactions between those two in the Frost Hound/camp (rather sweet actually) so that sort of thing's not unrealistic.
However, Brienne isn't really interested in having sex with anyone other than the Champ (and possibly Rina). As Wsan has said, she's fine with servicing the Champ with another woman or holding one down while you have sex with them, but having sex with a third party isn't her thing. One also assumes that Wsan simply isn't interested in writing that kind of content. Extend this to every other companion/their respective writers and you'll see why all threesome/moresome content is bespoke and not some sort of generic system.
And also, you know the drill by now, it would be a ridiculous amount of work.
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This makes me wonder if Brienne is going to start ditching the champ to have sex with her sister or not. I sure hope that's not the case.
Obviously I don't know any more than what Wsan's said on the board but the impression I got is that it's only going to happen when the Champ and Brienne are visiting in KM and you initiate it. The whole thing is supposed to be entirely optional so if you don't want to get lesdommed, you don't have to.
Given what else Wsan said about Brienne's preferences she's probably not going to have sex when the Champ isn't present, but Rina might be the exception where she'll be a more active participant with the non-Champ party in a threesome.
Given what else Wsan said about Brienne's preferences she's probably not going to have sex when the Champ isn't present, but Rina might be the exception where she'll be a more active participant with the non-Champ party in a threesome.
Honestly when it comes to the wayfort, I sorta hope there would be special flavours added to it if the champ has sold there soul to one of the gods, the wayfort takes on some slight looks towards the whatever god you ended up doing. Like mostly just flavour text then anything, maybe have to go to the respective areas of soul selling to get the renovation started from there.
Yeah, or just kinda like more a more kitsune way of building accentuated in the repairs, just to add a little more flavour to the repairs and make it feel more personal as it already is basically going to be. Cause its basically gonna become the base of operations from then on onces its repaired right?
For floof champions it becomes a bit more complex if the champ has accepted to be a vassal Baron to the elf crown. Boreal elves from WC are mainly Lumians, IIRC.
To be fair I would go more on the customization options rather than soul based cause it can be a bit too complex. I would recommend just adding multiple flavor decorations and just let the player choose the one he prefers based on his gameplay. In this flavor aspect I would prefer player agency.
Sounds right up Kero's alley of pissing off Lumia lol, would fit being the tricksters champion(also Can you actually get the wayfort without accepting that?) lest we also forget that when we build Mallachs temple hes also like "dude fuck Lumina lol thanks for building bud".
hi there! i hope im posting in the right place! i didn't know if this counted as a gripe as generally I was happy
I fully understand that im not exactly the target audience for this, plenty of things like the whole pregnancy and transformation bits didnt really interest me, just there for the rp smut really and I wanted to avoid spoilers so experimenting with the transformative items wasnt really something I could do, since I didn't want to google anything I just ended up ruining my character and restarting, so I get the premise isn't exactly for me lol
still, not negative about it at all, I had a great time reading through my first elfie wlw playthrough, plenty of characters my character "got along well with", big cait fan, big azzyran fan, couple disappointments where the other girls ended up being futa, again though I get you cant have everything your way, p sure I finished most of the content & I found it supported my tastes for the most part
I got a bit of a yaoi thing, specifically I like the little cute guy to be the top, so I made a mlm playthough after finishing my wlw elf run and I was kind of surprised, I feel like once I got out of the first stage of the game it sort of stopped having that much guy on guy content where ur guy is the active one?
I dont know if it's a side effect of me not looking anything up, maybe i missed loads of stuff, but I made a cute twinky top and i kinda found there's not all that many burly dudes to bone? at the start you can screw all the male enemies, there aren't rly any masc boys in the forest but there's lots in the valley and good variety too, then in the foothills u got vaush and the big boss orc too but after that I felt that it kinda tapered off, seemed to only really be the feminine type you could bone, all the big masc guys wont seem to do it, which I found really odd as at the start they're not exactly enthusiastic but that doesnt seem to matter?
I dont think my poor guy had the option to top any of the masculine guys after the orc camp, i'm not sure if it's just the way I made the character but I never had the option with any of the male kitsunes (only the ladies), not the cultists, not the avanai rider, not the jotun guy (spent like an hour "expanding" my character in the hope you could) and none of the minotaurs either as far as I could find
brint str8 up tells u he wont bottom, quint won't either, so there's a bit of a untapped type of companion, doesnt seem to be a masc companion that actively likes dicks, most of the ppl you can talk to in the outposts are top only too, even the centaur you spare who says/does nothing doesn't bottom, and annoyingly in the case of some characters you can't back out of bottoming for them, like with elyon
I suspect it may be because I have a small slim character with long hair and a girly face that every time I choose to flirt with a masculine guy the game assumes my guy want to be their bitch, and that isn't the case. I'm not sure if there's a masculinity check for this or something similar?
like I said, I played spoiler/guide free and i just know I probably missed a load of things, I guess my point is I would really like to see more content involving the masculine guys on the bottom, or make it somewhat easier to access if it's already there. dont get me wrong im not expecting it everywhere! if my taste isn't shared by others or the authors then unlucky for me, but 1 bit of easily accessible content per area would be perfect!
also hoping for more jotun content but I'm sure it'll happen eventually
I fully understand that im not exactly the target audience for this, plenty of things like the whole pregnancy and transformation bits didnt really interest me, just there for the rp smut really and I wanted to avoid spoilers so experimenting with the transformative items wasnt really something I could do, since I didn't want to google anything I just ended up ruining my character and restarting, so I get the premise isn't exactly for me lol
still, not negative about it at all, I had a great time reading through my first elfie wlw playthrough, plenty of characters my character "got along well with", big cait fan, big azzyran fan, couple disappointments where the other girls ended up being futa, again though I get you cant have everything your way, p sure I finished most of the content & I found it supported my tastes for the most part
I got a bit of a yaoi thing, specifically I like the little cute guy to be the top, so I made a mlm playthough after finishing my wlw elf run and I was kind of surprised, I feel like once I got out of the first stage of the game it sort of stopped having that much guy on guy content where ur guy is the active one?
I dont know if it's a side effect of me not looking anything up, maybe i missed loads of stuff, but I made a cute twinky top and i kinda found there's not all that many burly dudes to bone? at the start you can screw all the male enemies, there aren't rly any masc boys in the forest but there's lots in the valley and good variety too, then in the foothills u got vaush and the big boss orc too but after that I felt that it kinda tapered off, seemed to only really be the feminine type you could bone, all the big masc guys wont seem to do it, which I found really odd as at the start they're not exactly enthusiastic but that doesnt seem to matter?
I dont think my poor guy had the option to top any of the masculine guys after the orc camp, i'm not sure if it's just the way I made the character but I never had the option with any of the male kitsunes (only the ladies), not the cultists, not the avanai rider, not the jotun guy (spent like an hour "expanding" my character in the hope you could) and none of the minotaurs either as far as I could find
brint str8 up tells u he wont bottom, quint won't either, so there's a bit of a untapped type of companion, doesnt seem to be a masc companion that actively likes dicks, most of the ppl you can talk to in the outposts are top only too, even the centaur you spare who says/does nothing doesn't bottom, and annoyingly in the case of some characters you can't back out of bottoming for them, like with elyon
I suspect it may be because I have a small slim character with long hair and a girly face that every time I choose to flirt with a masculine guy the game assumes my guy want to be their bitch, and that isn't the case. I'm not sure if there's a masculinity check for this or something similar?
like I said, I played spoiler/guide free and i just know I probably missed a load of things, I guess my point is I would really like to see more content involving the masculine guys on the bottom, or make it somewhat easier to access if it's already there. dont get me wrong im not expecting it everywhere! if my taste isn't shared by others or the authors then unlucky for me, but 1 bit of easily accessible content per area would be perfect!
also hoping for more jotun content but I'm sure it'll happen eventually
I mean, there was a whole artistic movement called Japonisme where western European styles were heavily influenced by Japanese ones in all sorts of fields including architecture so it's not impossible that the Not!Japanese style of the Old Country and Not!Scandinavian boreal elf styles could be melded in an aesthetically pleasing way.
I'm also sure that sort of thing is way outside the bounds of what we'd ever see in the game. Makes for some fun headcanon-ing though
Creating a strawman position that nobody is arguing isn't helping your argument. There is a massive gap between my point (forcing you to fight mobs as part of existing non-combat encounters would be tedious) and 'Get rid of all fighting because it interferes with muh porn'. This is a porn game, gameplay elements exist in a balance to make the experience fun and rewarding but adding too much of it would detract from what is for most people the main draw, the porn.
Except that by your own suggestion, ignoring these combat encounters would lead to changing the non-combat encounters you want to gate behind them. In other words, punishing the player for not helping.
I think you're massively underestimating just how much of a time sink it would be to add even a fraction of what you're proposing to the content that exists right now, never mind all the content yet to be added. Here's a thought, why don't you go and take one of Hashat's scenes, let's say, and without even dealing with the underlying code just take whatever the game spits out at you and rewrite it with your four levels of additional corruption content. Check how much time that takes you. Then consider how many variations each encounter can have and how many encounters there are in the entire game...
I wonder if this is something Wsan is going to address in the future. Oh, wait...
CoC1: You can sit around for 365 in-game days and a new Champion will not bamf out of the portal, the demons will not have expanded their control and Lethice will still have her ass firmly planted on her throne waiting for you to kick down the door.
TiTS: You can spend a year dicking around on Tavros and Jack/Jill will not have made a move on any of the probes, you can spend another year on Zheng-Shi after meeting Ardia and Agrosh still will not have woken up after you beat/fucked him unconscious and you can get the invite to the shindig on Dhaal and then spend a year fucking around on New Texas and the event will still be there waiting for you when you come back.
CoC2: ...you get the picture, right?
To add to what I just said, the devs have made it clear that time is effectively irrelevant in the game and they don't care for muh realism in that respect. The story takes place over a couple of months canonically and gameplay timing does not matter. It's basically there for the purpose of stuff like pregnancy and the small number of quests where waiting X number of days between events happening is important. You might find Tobs' comments at the end of this post helpful for understanding why introducing a whole number of timed events to the game (especially at this point when there's already a fuckton of content that would have to be changed retroactively) isn't something they're going to have much if any interest in.
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While the suggestion 'what if the developers added a fuckton of dynamic variables to every encounter in the game and overlaid a bunch of new systems and mechanics on top of the already existing systems and mechanics' is noted, I don't think the porn rpg being written, drawn for, and coded by a core team of like ten people is going to be the living, breathing, immersive sandbox game you're looking for. There's just too many limitations:
- Everything has to be written bespoke by a small team of writers rather than fed into a game engine
- The budget is 'however much Savin can hustle off a niche audience of online perverts'
- The manpower is 'however many people can be paid with money hustled off a niche audience of online perverts'
- The available resources are 'whatever can be bought with the money remaining after paying the staff with hustle money'
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Yup, this too. They added a thing where Mad Cow ends if you enter Khor'minos while the quest is ongoing, and Brint broke.
This was around the time that switching companion sets removed that companion's powers, I don't know if that was related as well.
Please, no more fucking variables. We already have many, and I mean many nice parsers at our back and call. Beutifull ones even, that give more then enough needed variations when it comes to writing for the game.
Why add so many variables for something nobody would like? I don't remember Fallout 1's time limit being praised. Why invest time and energy into making a system that punishes the player for not engaging in every single fight and for enjoying content instead of speed running. I get wanting a sense of urgency and/or more corruption content, but adding that at the expense of everything else just isn't worth it. Especially since a system like that would just punish players for not playing in a very specific way by altering content in in such an obtuse way. This whole thing reminds me of that one time someone wanted to force sex scenes for winning because of stuff outside of their control.
Those two examples aren't really comparable to what you're suggesting. They're isolated to their own specific mission and content and don't affect the game world at large. What you were suggesting sounds like it would affect everything if not properly monitored. And while a lot of the CoC2 crew work or have worked on TiTS, both games still have different directors and directions for their worlds'. Time sensitive missions on their own aren't bad though. Just when everything becomes time sensitive it becomes more annoying than it's worth.
So negative. I'm sure Savin is made of money and could easily create the porn version of Skyrim.
If we can't sell our soul to every god, then we'll sell space in the wayfort to every god and have them fight over it.
No we need more variables. It's not enough. We cannot rest until every line of code and dialogue contains 10 variables minimum.
@Wint3rRyd3r I would appreciate that you read my whole comment:
"Related to previous games I don't mean to jump from 0 to 50 on time stuff, but tits already added a few events that are related to it, which is very in line on the example I offered on that message. In tits we find for example Kiro rescue and the rescue of that princess on that cold planet (forgot the race name), I kind of hope that the game keeps advancing on that direction, still I can understand that it isn't the rule on tits"
Overall I get that your post is sarcasm and absurd simplification, but at the very least it would be nice to take more than 2 seconds to do it, I will take the liberty to take a bit of that humour:
Why bother trying to advance? we have everything we need! everything over the simplicity of fire shouldn't even be talked about even on a thread with 0 importance and in which we just share stuff we would like to see. We know that coc was already the sky, we should have made another remake of skyrim!.
"Related to previous games I don't mean to jump from 0 to 50 on time stuff, but tits already added a few events that are related to it, which is very in line on the example I offered on that message. In tits we find for example Kiro rescue and the rescue of that princess on that cold planet (forgot the race name), I kind of hope that the game keeps advancing on that direction, still I can understand that it isn't the rule on tits"
Overall I get that your post is sarcasm and absurd simplification, but at the very least it would be nice to take more than 2 seconds to do it, I will take the liberty to take a bit of that humour:
Why bother trying to advance? we have everything we need! everything over the simplicity of fire shouldn't even be talked about even on a thread with 0 importance and in which we just share stuff we would like to see. We know that coc was already the sky, we should have made another remake of skyrim!.
I feel like it needs to be brought up again, the stuff seems interesting but when it comes to saying what you'd like to see added, think about the proscess of trying to code it into the game, I commend the people who have to do it so much with some of the bullshit the engine seems to give them.
And I would appreciate it if you stopped strawmanning and assuming that just because someone disagreed with you that they didn't read your post.
Adding more life to the game is fine. But it can be done in easier, less time consuming ways. And adding something like a dynamic world is more trouble than it's worth. Making it so content is locked and you have perform some kind of area maintenance if you haven't been there in some time is just busy work. It may make the world more dynamic, but what does it add otherwise and is it a detriment to the overall experience?
How is it a nice addition? Why go through the trouble of making a watered down version of a system that doesn't inherently improve the game in any form? How is it a nice addition?
But you did and still are.
TiTS having a couple of time sensitive missions is not in line with what you're suggesting. Again, you're suggesting something that affects the whole of the game world. Kiro rescue only affects Kiro and ignoring the princess may miss out on her quest lines but it won't lock out or change most of Uveto. It'd be like adding some war system to Myrrellion that had to be micromanaged so as not to lose characters and content. Babysitting an area to keep content and encounters balanced is more involved than just forgetting Kiro and letting her get bimbofied.
I don't know why you bolded this part. But I'm glad you like it. But how are those examples in a completely different game in line with the system you're suggesting?
That's just how I talk. My sincerest apologies for letting you assume I didn't actually read and overanalyze your every word simply because I didn't feel like typing out a massive response to every sentence. My infinite laziness has horribly misrepresented us all and I can never atone for this sin.
Truly you're absolutely right! The game is fine as is and requires no more updates or contents. It has a satisfying conclusion and we are all fools for daring to entertain this thread and debate the words within! You have clearly reached the heart of the matter and in no way, shape, or form have jumped to conclusions and strawmanned those who have disagreed with you.
In conclusion: CoC2=Skyrimjob
I didn't specifically address it because there was no need to do so as what I already said made my point. You're proposing a system by which the player is compelled to babysit regions or they'll be punished for it by either permanently enfuckening the content in that region or requiring them to undergo additional content to un-enfucken the crap caused by them not wanting to fight a stupid random battle while they were just trying to hunt for Winterstem.
Because you seem to be hard of thinking, allow me to repeat the previous exchange in it's entirety. I will type slowly so you can read it before you strawman me again:
You will note that I never said anything resembling 'get rid of fighting because I just want teh pornz', what I said was that adding fights to scenes that do not already require them would slow down the experience. That's all.
Uhhhh, actually no, it's very easy to defend the status-quo as compared to your proposals because what you're suggesting would, even if you only did part of it, still represent an insurmountable fuckton of work, which would take the devs away from literally anything else they could be doing.
And because you seem to have ignored it entirely in your haste to misrepresent what I've said, I refer you to my earlier suggestion that you try your hand at rewriting just one scene using your proposed guidelines (without any concern for all the parser variables) and then extrapolating from that how much time it would take to rewrite every scene in the game to implement your suggestions. Then rewrite every tile's descriptive text, and all the companion content. And, you know, write all the code to add another three dozen variables to the parser while making it work without the code having an aneurysm and dying.
I'm sorry if this comes as a shock to you but there is no Magical Parser Fairy that changes content and all that stuff really does have to be done by hand.
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There isn't!? My mom lied to me? Next you'll say Santa isn't real.
Worry not, your mom didn't lie to you here: Santa Brint/Brienne is indeed real and will bring you a very special present if you've been
So, please, tell us how creating this big convoluted sliding scale/bar of corruption which fills passively unless you're constantly working every day to keep it down will improve a game where it is entirely feasible to just sleep for 98 days in a row after picking up the Amulet of Transference to pop 32 kids in and out of Kiyoko to max out her tail count, and the game does not even bat an eye? Not only is the game not built for timed quests/encounters/events except for when you deliberately trigger then (like Brienne's armor), it's pretty much designed for the polar opposite.
And even aside from that, on changing up encounters and stuff in territories themself, how would this sliding bar that needs constant attention be better than what we have now, where some encounters do change already after certain events, quests, or level thresholds? If corruption would be making enemies in an area stronger, then why tie that to something that you could max out by sleeping for 98 days in a row and as such thoroughly fuck yourself by needing to fend off level 10 foes with a level 2 team, when you can do as has already been done, and change or add encounters after certain points, like the Painted Demon encounter appearing in low level areas after you clear the Winter city? I would rather more encounters be changed along these lines, where events that you actively experience change things up, rather than what you've suggested where you not experiencing events would be what change things.
The best sandbox games don't say "hey, an explosion happened 5 miles away, if you walk over there you may catch a whiff of the burnt gunpowder." They make it so that you walk through a forest and suddenly a guy hurls the explosive device in your face. You can have hints of a "living world" where things happen without the player, but when things actually happen completely devoid of the player, that only works if the game is S.T.A.L.K.E.R. or something similar, where the point is that you aren't special and you're just another one of the riff-raff struggling to survive.
So, you see, I think that the concept of getting told "hey, the farm got attacked and we need your help" can be interesting. The problem is that you frame this as a punishment for not speeding through the Harvest Valley content. You do not want to be Cyberpunk 2077, where things that geniunely hold your interest will be interrupted by 12 overlapping calls which you are not allowed to reject telling you about a random encounter in which your job would be to sniff someone's farts. Honestly basically no sandbox game I can think of except for the Dead Rising series will have things strictly timed, and in Dead Rising that's because the timer is the whole point. The game is built from the ground up around a timer. If you take a game where things are built with the firm idea of "no strict timer," and suddenly start adding in strict timers and punishments for not doing things quickly, then that is going to clash with the game that is there and it will, in no uncertain terms, detract from the experience. Work with the core vision, not against it, just because what you think goes against it would be cool.
One: That's a different game with a different design principal. Even though "Events generally are not timed" is shared between the two, something being in one game does not mean it should be in another.
Two: The princess on Uveto, is a Korgonne named Ula. It takes 5 whole days for her to be removed from content, and this can be solved instantly if you have one of the several items usable there or with just a few hours walk since what she wants is sold nearby. It does not take heavy focus to constantly keep track of and manage several bars where you don't want them to fill up and you get punished for not keeping it at an absolute minimum.
Three: I dislike the Kiro Quest precisely because of this design decision. A timed quest is not inherently bad, but Kiro Quest feels like such a strict timer that unless you just teleport straight to the end I'm not sure how you would end it before Kiro can start getting transformed. Granted, you can still finish it whenever, if you don't care about the tf'ing, but if you think Kiro is perfect the way she is, you don't get to enjoy the quest/dungeon. You only get to speedrun it. There are permanent, scaling consequences based on time passed, like what you proposed as an area corruption mechanic, and that just does not feel good to me. But even then, it's still better than what you suggested, because you get notified that there's something really urgent, and then go straight into a dungeon where you can only focus on it and it alone, rather than just completely fucking over massive parts of your game because you didn't do one specific thing.
"Cousin it's your cousin! Why don't you take me bowling?"
You don't want to be Cyberpunk 2077 at all anyway.
Oh thank god. Santa Milf still exists. Unfortunately I am physically incapable of being good. But at least my childhood wonder isn't fully dead yet. Thank you mysterious helper of Santa.