Nightgames Mod (v2.5.1.2) updated 2/11/17

Observer1311

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Hey,
long time lurker, first time poster,
First of all great original game and great mod i regularly replay it :>

Don't know if this has been reported / said but there is currently a bug in the trigger of the drain attribute effect with incubus cock.
The test was reversed from working on all except cybernetic (Mara) to working only on Mara. (CockMod.java l. 251)
I fixed it for myself after downloading the project from github, but i thought i'd let u know.

On that subject, i'm considering messing around to build some stuff for the game, but i'm a bit of a git noob and my java is really rusty.
How do you build the jar from the master ? :x

Edit : nvm for the jar, worked it out.
 
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Porcelain

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Greetings all. I'm sure this question was asked earlier, but if it was I can't seem to find it. Anyways, the NG Creator doesn't appear to be working. Is there an updated version I am unaware of (the one I have is 0.1) or is there some other issue going on? I have the latest version of the mod, in case that helps shed some light on what the problem is.
 
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12centDime

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+2 cents: For what it's worth, NG Creator doesn't seem to work for me either. Moving the jar and CreatorGui to a new folder with the up-to-date game causes the normal game's main window to open, close, and then nothing to happen. There will still be a java process running however.
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- Similarly to the Tentacle Trap, if you always dodge a square's Enthralling Trap, you can never collect a cache that's also on the square as only the text stating that you dodge the trap will trigger on your entrance. Possibly just the case for all traps.
- The user of Reverse Fly takes willpower damage from dominance rather than the opponent.
- If you are in Neutral position , Bound by Binding, and try to use Escape while Airi is doing her Counter-Engulf thing, you will trigger the Engulf by trying to escape from Binding even though that shouldn't make contact.
- You can Reversal out of Engulf. (How?)
- Primal Cock seemed weirdly weak for having the Best Cock Mod Name. Looking at the Cock Mod sectiong, it seems like the Primal mod is supposed to do something...every turn? Each time you orgasm? Not sure, but I have never seen "Raw sexual energy flows from %s %s into %s %s, enflaming %s lust." show up before, so I assume it's not working.
- This happened once and all buttons vanished, could still Quit Match, and couldn't otherwise advance. Airi was mimicking a dryad at the time and I was Frenzied.

You are behind Airi and your cock in buried in her ass.
You use Wild Thrust.
You wildly pound Airi in the ass with no regard to technique. She whimpers in pleasure and can barely summon the strength to hold herself off the floor.
Airi's slippery oiled form makes her all the more sensitive.
Airi's flared ass was pleasured by your big phallus for 39 base:18.0 (18.0) x multiplier: 2.17 (1 + sen:0.3 + ple:0.2 + per:0.4 + stage:0.30 )

Airi shudders as you bring her to a toe-curling climax.
58 arousal overflow
Airi lost 25+9 (34) willpower.
"Ahhnn... forgot how good... feels... Will return favor...".

Your big phallus was pleasured by Airi's flared ass for 44 base:18.0 (18.0) x multiplier: 2.47 (1 + sen:0.0 + ple:0.2 + per:1.0 + stage:0.30 )
You tense up as your hips wildly buck against Airi. In no time, your hot seed spills into her pulsing hole.
92 arousal overflow
You lost 25+14 (19) willpower (Feral).

"...Feels good..? I'll suck more out... I'll milk you dry..."
Your mind clears up after your release.
You built 11 mojo.
More pieces of Airi's slime are getting stuck to your body.
[Placeholder] You make each other cum at the same time. Sorry.
Airi's pointed ears turned back into normal ears.
Airi's back slime pseudopod disappeared.
Airi's normal gooey skin turned back into normal skin.
Airi's flared ass turned back into an ass.
Airi's D Cup boobs turned back into smallish breasts.
Airi's gooey cunt turned back into a normal cunt.
Airi's pussy lost its floral appearance.
Airi has leveled up!
 

dndw

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The creator is indeed broken. Unfortunately I will have no time to get anything done at least until the weekend, so don't expect a fix this week.
 

Porcelain

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Understood, I was mainly worried that it was an issue on my end (which would have driven me crazy) and I appreciate the response. Take your time, I love the work you've been doing.
 

BigBoiMcgee

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G'day, not quite sure if I'm just being a massive spaz or if this is a common problem. I recently got a new computer and haven't been able to get Nightgames to work, but it would work on my previous computer. If it's just me being an actual idiot, please tell me how to fix the problem. Cheers. XXX (No homo) (Maybe a little).

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Observer1311

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^ It's probably windows / java related rather than nightgames mod.
You might want to google the error code and name of error + "java" or "JRE" and go through the several troubleshoot scenari.

To Dndw, Nergantre, others :
Is it possible to participate to the project directly thru git or is there another process ? I'm playing around with the code but some little things i'm fixing for me could be good to have in the main project (if it is still alive?).

On that note i also have some questions about the expected requirements / results of Tail Fuck, it seems quite buggy :
- What are the skill requirements / requirements for different effects ?
- the var used to select the result flag (intercourse) in deal/receive is also used to test for shame / pleasure damage but does not seem coherent + there is a missing "else if" in the setting of the Result flag,
- Is it normal to add a status for one turn only. was it supposed to tick several time (like for embrace) ?

I added most of the character exclusive Traits to my playthrough with the xml, and most seem to work just fine for the PC as is.
Is there a particular reason to include some traits but not others ?
I guess it's for balance reason but i often find myself collecting most of the skill / traits until being imba anyway so a few more do not seem it would change much, but they offer more variety !
(If balance is the main issue i'll have a few balance questions/comments then :D )

Anyway, once again thanks for the game, it's fun to play and the code is easy enough to understand and expand !
 
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Is it normal if you chose to play as a female character for you to be still getting referred to as a man and you genitals to be getting described as those of a male's or is that a glitch?Nightgames Screenshot001.png Nightgames Screenshot006.png
 

Sacredferro

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Is it normal if you chose to play as a female character for you to be still getting referred to as a man and you genitals to be getting described as those of a male's or is that a glitch?View attachment 4114 View attachment 4115

The original game the mod is built around assumes you are male and male only, while everyone else is just female. Some of the game has been made to account for you and others being potentially other than, but much of the game still does that.
 

12centDime

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I can't really speak much on how Tail Fuck/Peg is supposed to work(always assumed it was working) but here's what I've seen:
If the target has both a penis and a vagina and you penetrate -yourself- on the penis, you can use Tail Fuck/Peg to land a Tail Fucked status on them that lasts till they Struggle/Escape from it and does pleasure damage each turn till they do. The same will also happen if you use Tail Fuck while in the Oral Pin position while the opponent has both a penis and a vagina, but this may be a bug(doesn't work if they have only a vagina. Not sure on only penis, Airi doesn't seem to want to remove her pussy when I feel like trying to test >_>).
If the target has both a penis and a vagina and you penetrate -them- or use Pussy Grind, Tail Fuck/Peg just does damage and sometimes shames...however, you can use Tail Suck to land a Tail Sucked status on them that lasts till they Struggle/Escape from it and drains stamina and attributes each turn till they do. (Is it ok that this can drain Speed and Perception? I don't think you can drain those normally)
Basically, in all cases where the opponent has only a vagina, Tail Peg/Fuck seems to just deal damage and Shame regardless of what position you use it in. If they have a penis and a vagina, your succubus tail should be able to do something with some action if you're having sex in some way. Not sure on when they have only a penis. Haven't tried yet.

On enemy only skills, I'm under the impression that they are restricted to more keenly show how each enemy is different from the player and special in their own right. But yes, also because some of those abilities would be ridiculous on a player controlled character. xD A sandbox mode where you could pick them up might be fun, but I'd be happier as them remaining enemy exclusive in general.
While the game has a good number of balance issues imo, I think the focus at this time has mostly been on fixing bugs and general stabilization. I'm a little bit of a min-maxer at heart though, so I too would be happy to talk my butt off if dndw and nergantre are looking for feedback on it. :)
 

Observer1311

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Hey,
On the whole tailfuck :
"but here's what I've seen:
If the target has both a penis and a vagina and you penetrate -yourself- on the penis, you can use Tail Fuck/Peg to land a Tail Fucked status on them that lasts till they Struggle/Escape from it and does pleasure damage each turn till they do. The same will also happen if you use Tail Fuck while in the Oral Pin position while the opponent has both a penis and a vagina, but this may be a bug(doesn't work if they have only a vagina. Not sure on only penis, Airi doesn't seem to want to remove her pussy when I feel like trying to test >_>).
If the target has both a penis and a vagina and you penetrate -them- or use Pussy Grind, Tail Fuck/Peg just does damage and sometimes shames..."

Your exemple is on point, since for me one of the test "Opponent's penis is inserted" should indeed have been "are fucking" since I don't get why the ennemy should have a penis inserted for youto be able to use tailfuck (with effects) on him.
As i read the code and moded what seemed to me like inconsistencies , i arrived to something like : the tailfuck with pleasure damage and status effect triggers when opponent has a hole available ofc and (characters are already fucking(sub or dom) or if your character is on a dominant stance or if you stand behind your opponent), for every other situation where it's usable, it just does the dmg / shame. i tried to make every result type match the good string by altering by reversing some tests if it made sense to me... Basically i tried to make the damage and status effect activate when the characters are somewhat close to each other and you could keep your tail in there. Overall the skill function only on anal except if it's already occupied and opponent has an available pussy (didn't change that, it seems to have been a deliberate design choice).

For the status length, i didn't realized it was how that worked, and had it working in a match i just did so nevermind.

For the skills, it was more in the spirit of an activable option or sandbox mode, rather than full game. Doing so is really easy to do yourself by modifying TraitRequirements.xml you can even balance the requirements, if you want to try.
The thing is i dont know when the "magic eyes : *" traits were added to the player traits, but they seem really OP and they are advanced traits of cassie, so i thought why not.
Animism in general seems way too good in combo with the trait that gives flat willpower regen on orgasm, add some of the many willpower draining effects and you're already great. Then all the random enthralled triggered by tons of effects ... I mean the balance is already all over the place !
The idea was also to populate the endgame traits a bit more ...

(Still a great game ! )
 
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12centDime

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Please forgive my rambling, I couldn't help myself. Tried to cut it as short as possible while still scratching the itch.
The buff makes logical sense, but hear me out.

Tail mods are one of the things that have no effective cost for having, but grant abilities for having them. Which means every character should have them if the abilities are widely useful, which is typically bad from a balance standpoint if the ability is optional. Currently, as a female, they can be used in the early to mid game as a way to dodge high-pleasure damage pussies while still dealing good damage in Sex Training builds. For example, you can toss a Priapt Draft then safely Reverse Fuck Angel, Slime-Airi, and Kat, then fuck them with your tail, since it takes significantly less pleasure damage recoil from Angel, cumming won't trigger Airi's Gooey Pussy(though she may just retract her penis), and Kat can be made to just orgasm every turn with the increased damage. You can also just use it as passive damage against anyone and do your best to keep whoever pinned down until they lose if you're close to losing yourself. All of this has a really low cost of "spend time with Reyka and stock up on Priapt drafts"(which probably aught to be twice as expensive, they're really good) and very close to no opportunity cost(you have to keep up with the Priapt Drafts, which takes time, money, and attention)

Making your change effectively removes the cost of Priapt drafts, adds the ability for males to negate a good amount of the strengths of some characters without taking the Dark investment for Tail Suck, and lets females do all the above with a Strap-on so they take close to no recoil damage at all. The Succubus Tail was already good as an option without meaningful cost, buffing it seems like there should at least be some sort of actual cost.
Well yeah. Entirely right. xD

Overpowered, but I wouldn't know what to suggest changing besides just removing Nymphomania from the player pool, which seems like a bad option.
The thing about Magic Eyes skills beyond Arouse is that they require heavy investment into Arcane. While Arcane easily does the most pleasure/temptation damage of all the attributes one could focus on, they also tend to have the worst passive defenses.

Like, if a heavy Dark character gets in a bad spot, there's a good chance they can still Drain, they might use Sacrifice, they might just passively suck all the stamina out of the opponent, and worst comes to worst, they probably have less Perception than the Arcane character anyway, and so are taking less damage. If an Animism character is jumped, they may not even lose any Willpower due to the way Animism + Nymphomania works. A Science character can be randomly saved at any time by their Slime's Trip ability and can Stun Blast even at 0 mojo. Ki characters can become nearly unhittable or just ignore large quantities of damage and status effects. Fetish characters have huge effective arousal pools due to their pets.

However, if an Arcane character gets taken off-guard without mojo, even if their Glamour is up like always, they're kinda screwed. They have high Perception and no effective means of getting away or stopping the opponent from having their way with them if Escape decides to fail multiple times in a row...except with Magic Eyes. Which can be ignored a good bit of the time by Skeptical, or because the opponent is not facing them, or is Cynical at the time, or if Frenzy is exactly the wrong thing to do to the enemy.

They are really strong as offensive abilities though. I could see them being nerfed to non-neutral position only triggers.
Note this is all my opinion and I could be wrong about any number of things. Feel free to flagellate.
 
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Observer1311

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Haha don't worry about the wall of text, reminds me of several balance discussion, we could be the elitistjerks of NGM !

Don't worry about the tail fuck "change", i'm not commiting anything anywhere, i'm just an enthusiast playing around with the code x)
When i said i wanted to participate it was more on the objective and obvious bugs to fix (incubus cock effects triggering on the wrong type of genitals for example)!

As for my modification, first of all that's why i was asking about the expected requirements and results, since on this kind of skill everything is debatable.
Honestly i hadn't put any thought into the scenario you explained, i'm mainly playing male (#original) so I just wanted more weapons for my power trip !
Making my modification does increase the opportunity to use the skill at full efficiency, but it works for your described character too , and doesn't negate the efficiency of your scenario (i'm guessing the absence of appropriate traits or mods on the grown dick is a plus). (I would also argue the "no downside of having the option", a turn is a turn and there is so much to do already. If needed the balance could be found in the accuracy of the action, as it stands it is admittedly kinda forgiving).
Even then, I understand what you say from a balance standpoint, but it seems incoherent with the original code. I was gonna explain what i found particularly false, but after reflexion, it kinda works fine as it is. It's just that i have a hard time warping my mind around the original use cases, since some cases seem to have been written to work like in my idea of the skill, if you try to read the skill description strings while reading the code, effects are not really matching with the description. Side note : In the scenario you described (opponent inserted in you, you then use the skill), you should see 2 contradicting strings of text one after the other, unless i'm missing something.
I'll admit the more i think about it, it COULD be working exactly as intended, i'm just not sold on the whole "your opponent's dick MUST be inserted". And DP is hot, lemme have that :3

For Animism + strong willed + nymphomania , nymphomania could also probably be changed to never give back more willpower than lost during the orgasm, but then the several passive drains are buffed too ... Might nerf Kat (Angel too, depending on the focus, i have not dived in that yet), but they may need it i dunno.
Hard to balance anyway, and as for the rest of the post, fine tuning balance in a solo player environment is a lesser issue overall.
As it stands this combo is a must have, but would probably remain that way except for big changes.

For the magic eyes you're totally right, and the change to non neutral pos is a good idea, or each effect could also gradually be activated in function of the 'gravity' of your situation.
It's just that with the current trait repartition, i rarely build a one or two advanced attribute focused char. Once you have unlocked the skills and traits of an advanced attribute, i find it boring to always keep dumping in the same stats and often find myself collecting the other options. By allowing the player to access other advanced traits of a given attribute, after meeting appropriate requirements, it justifies the focus on one or two attributes and improves the variety.
My original question about the traits is also motivated by the fact that the code is already written for it to be easily activated.

To end, i'll have you know that my "total cheated power trip version" is kinda fun, if easy, gotta love Mara's Collar :D

"Note this is all my opinion and I could be wrong about any number of thing" < ^ good disclaimer, apply that to all this too ^ :)
 
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dndw

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@Observer1311 If you want to contribute, the ideal way would be to create a fork on github and when you've your changes create a a pull request. At this point it's probably best to use my master branch (github.com/dndw/nightgamesmod) as a base.

I'm not worried about the animism + strong willed + nymphomania combo. It's overpowered, but it's also impossible for any NPC to get. I think if the player wants to play an overpowered build, then why not? If you don't want it, don't pick it.
I don't have the time to dig into the whole tail fuck thing right now, but there's plenty of material to dig through later, so thanks.
 

Sacredferro

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Ha! Just noticed something funny about my OP'ed test character...guess I'm not really suppose to have Congregation, am I? Because trying to summon more than one pet seems lock the game up.

Sucks, though...the thought of bombing Reyka's winning streak she had going that night with not one, not even two, but three fine ladies would have been interesting.

Also, FYI, I figured out why Channel wasn't actually upping Mojo the same way intended with characters with high Mojo max caps. Can't remember if I reported that, but in case I didn't I noticed that characters with a very large max cap on Mojo were only getting very low Mojo returns from commands such as Channel, even though it was still stating that it should be giving a percentage of your max cap. Turns out it only does so until you get more than 200 Mojo cap. So, in other words, it was giving me the 28% like normal, but only accounting for up to 28% of 200 (so 56) max and no more irrespective of my cap once I got to where I could build up above 200. No biggy, but the mouse-over should probably annotate that it has that limit to avoid confusion.
 
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Observer1311

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@dndw : disregard my previous reports, i may or may not have been using nergantre version instead of yours when i was starting, most of the bug i found are already fixed on your branch :D
"It was at this moment that he knew He Fucked Up"

I'm all setup now tho.
 

Kharn

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Seems like Airi likes getting rid of any penis or pussy to make it a lot harder to beat her.

Edit: Also in team battles it seems they don't get dressed so it becomes a one and done thing.

Edit 2: Wild Grind shows up as Wil Grind when fucked from behind.
 
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Sacredferro

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Hey, just thought to ask about something. Would it be possible for the game to have more than one image for each scene type? Such as having more than one image for trib scenes? I suspect it would take too much work to get it working, but figured it'd be worth a shot to ask.
 

12centDime

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- Tickle Monster comboed with a Tickler scales Tickle damage weirdly with respect to Mara. I think Ticklish is overwriting the bonuses the Tickler and Tickle Monster grant rather than adding onto them, as Mara takes less damage from a Tickle Monster + Tickler enhanced Tickle than every other character.
- It seems to be impossible to reach the hypersensitive case for the upgraded Tickler. I think this is because hastickler() refers to a normal tickler as well and is setting the result to strong after the check for the enhanced tickler sets it to special.
- If you fall from the sky while using Reverse Fly because the opponent uses Struggle, you'll take less damage from hitting the ground if you have Innocent Appearance.
- If you choose to Skip spending your trait point, save the game, and then load it, you will lose your saved trait point.
- Fiery Pussy "glances off Airi's slimy body." Not sure if intended.
- Sometimes, if you Facesit an enemy, bind them, and Ride Face, the enemy will just do nothing on some of their turns. Not sure how to make this happen consistently, it just seams to happen sometimes. Doesn't appear to be dependent on fetishes at least. Shame maybe?
- Similarly, enemies sometimes just do nothing on their turns for no reason that I can see. Far less often than the Facesit thing, but it happens.

Pretty sure it's cheating to strip, take your own clothes, and claim a victory from it.
There's a jacuzzi in the pool area and you decide to risk a quick soak.
A new cache has been dropped off at Laundry Room!
You quietly swipe Katie's clothes while she's occupied. It's a little underhanded, but you can still turn them in for cash just as if you defeated her.
You've gained Your Boxers.
The hot water soothes and relaxes your muscles. You feel a bit exposed, skinny-dipping in such an open area. You decide it's time to get moving.
Your clothes aren't where you left them. Someone must have come by and taken them.
You run into Mara and you both hesitate for a moment, deciding whether to attack or retreat.
She is level 4
She is dressed and ready to fight.
She looks eager and composed.
*gets in water* oh look, somone left their clothes *swipes* OH NO WHERE ARE MY CLOTHES?!?
omg bug made me laugh way too much. xD
 

dndw

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@kuschelpuh
Any specific ideas / requests? I'm doing a round of buffering, and something like this might be a nice distraction from the unending frustration.
 

A-Grubby

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@kuschelpuh
You and me both buddy.

The sad part is I still haven’t figured out how to even get the quest to work yet.

Also @LogicalKink , just wanna say, saw some of the unfinished scenes you have for the quest in Github, it’s good stuff! I hope to see more if you ever have the time/motivation!

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@dndw
I would offer suggestions here but my tastes lie more towards forced feminization, humiliation and other nonmain stream proclivities so I shall spare you all my thoughts.

Unless of course you'd want stuff like this in which case I might have some ideas.
 

kuschelpuh

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@A-Grubby http://prntscr.com/f1uz4a you gotta change the json in the start folder
Save and load does not work anymore tho on changed starts, but the quest works.
(to see if it worked you can save and check your safe file.
also i use notepad over the editor for the better overview (if you dont know any better tools)
http://prntscr.com/f1uzzy it should look like this if you made a new game, quit match and save on the bottom.
Also getting rng traits instead of beeing able to pick traits overall (positive and negative will do)
 

kuschelpuh

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@dndw
well the starting negative traits being forced onto you (if cassie makes you cum with her mouth you get lickable etc, or even have a 50/50 chance to get lickable over silvertongue when having daytime sex)
permanent bondage, permanent masochism, permanent fetishes (when bound by zipzies etc 20x, when taken 1000 stamina damage)

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A trait, you only cum once (double arousal, 0 willpower)
Every time you cum you loose max arousal/stamina/willpower/get more sensitive (would counter the op strong will nymph combos, if you would get forced to get one of the traits)
get horny everytime someone else cums
 
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Draonir

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@dndw @A-Grubby

Allow me to open the brainstorm:

First thing i guess is that feminization shouldn't be that much of a problem in the mod because we have all kind of stuff for transformation already in it (still somebody has to write it).

Secondly for a first start if i look a that buttslut quest thing is that it could be expand to other bodyparts as well (feet, hands, breast, pussy or even dick) of course this could interfere with the worship and fetish part.

At last my own idea would something like a tentacle hell quest with everybody having a tentacle fetish, tentacle traps spawn randomly, growing randomly tentacle bodyparts and random tentacle minions
 

A-Grubby

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@kuschelpuh
Yeah I figured out chaning the flags on the advanced starts. But it never occured to me to change the default start.

So it it possible to that you could get the quest running and save/load that game by changing the flags under the default start?