The split doesn't seem very even considering you can't take two steps anywhere reds are without bumping into trench wives and most of the reds you run into have them.
1. What do you mean? Leive was a gold prisoner.
2. If drug addicted sex slavery is what you consider "fine" I really hate to think of what counts as "hurt" to you.
3. The issue is not whether they will stay slaves forever. Absolutely no one looks back at the slavery years in America and goes "Yeah, but eventually they weren't slaves anymore so it was totally fine." They look back at the time when slaaves were a thing with disgust and horror. The difference being that was the past, and in this game it's the present. I you went back in time and walked around the slave fields would you be like "eh, no big deal, they won't be slaves forever" or would you be horrified at what was happening to these people?
4. Underdogs? They have basically taken over the entire planet. Of the two the golds are way more deserving of that title than the reds.
5. Who said that? The only gold I talked to that said anything similar was the one queen who was basically saying the only way there could be eternal peace is either if all the red died OR there was a massive shift in their government.
6. The reds are the one's who wanted to nuke an entire city full of civilians and WOULD HAVE if the aliens didn't show up. And they wanted to murder golds in cold blood when they would have been their defeated prisoners.
Im gonna answer each statement by assigning a number to each one, so look at the quote and see what i numbered.
1. Your gonna have to quote where that is stated, but if that is so then its an exception to the point. I can name a lot of Prisoners that the Reds have, i struggle with the Golds Prisoners.
2. You COMPLETELY misunderstand what I said and meant by "fine". If i meant it as you think i did, wouldnt have put it in quotes. I under no fucking circumstance think its fine, and that whole thing is one of the major reasons i almost took a neutral position on the war but due to other key reasons I still side with the Feds. So thanks for making me sound like an asshole. The quotes more or less meant that they are not dead. Suffering can apply here to the issue though. Yes most Golds are suffering, which YES is a BAD thing, and whether it is due to the conditions of their situation or the Red Venom/Trench Wives problem, but they arent being executed or tortured, which is probably what the Golds would do.
3. Hindsight is a weird thing, and yes my reasoning is more than likely flawed on this point, but that doesnt shake the fact that we dont know completely what it means to be a Federation prisoner. Now before you go and say a bunch of examples, like some Reds selling them to the Tarrach and Trench Wives existing, we only see a minority of the issue. We probably only see a 1/16 of the planet, and this little part is filled with malice and tension, from both sides. Im not saying that the actions of what we see from the Reds to the Golds are completely justified, just that we dont have a complete understanding of what is going on with the other parts of planet and how this issue is being handled there. We see the worst here in Gildemere and the DMZ, doesnt mean its like that everywhere else.
4. You misunderstand what I meant by Underdog. The Reds have pretty much won the war. One push, whether by nuke or an assault , and they finish the war. What I meant by Underdog, is that the UGC, Xenogen, and most other galactic viewers on the situation of Myrellion, mostly side with the Golds. Whether this is due to the pity card being used or the very REAL fact that the Golds are manipulating their "Saviors" into mostly siding with them, with dick sucking and *cough*
Honeyed Words *cough* the Golds have a lot of favor with the outside perspective. Our good ol Peacekeepers cam with enough bribing, reverse the state of this war to favor the Golds. To the perspective of the outside forces from the galaxy on Myrellion, the Reds are viewed as the bad guys and most favor the Golds. This 100% makes them an Underdog in this situation, not an Underdog to the war, but an Underdog to which side gets the favor of the offworlders.
5. This is a dual thing with both sides. The Golds REALLY hate the Reds, and the Reds REALLY hate the Golds. But from what you can gather from the Reds, only a possible chunk of their High Command want the Queens specifically dead or, like we see with the Merchant Queen, just want them out of power. If the Reds REALLY wanted all the Golds dead, they would kill all of them, starting with the prisoners of war. But to our knowledge, they haven't killed any of them (not saying they havent) and would be completely fine with them joining the Federation and attaining Citizenship, as long as the Queens are dead or not in a position of power. This is a matter power and not race.
Now we have direct Quotes from a Queen, that say they want all the Reds dead. And this Queen, happens to be the one that is communicating (And fucking) the most of us offworlders, which are hanging literal bombs over both species. Based on that, Irellia has A LOT of power in the Golds matriarchy, and she is the one who want them all dead. Irellia no longer believes that a peaceful solution can be reached and just wants a complete Genocide to solve the problem.
6. Yes, they wanted to nuke the last city the Golds have. Using their first ever nuke, that they haven't used before. If I was to view at our history again and compare it to Myrellion's, this is ALMOST an identical match with the end of WW2. America didnt need to bomb Hiroshima, they couldve just stormed the entire country. This though would result in more American deaths and their government didnt want to have their blood shed any longer. So they asked Japan to surrender, when they said no (or just refused to answer) the bomb was dropped, killing many civilians in a way of forcing Japan's hand in surrendering. The key difference with this and Myrellions situation however, is that this is the last city the Golds have. If they bombed the city everything would end there. 95% assured that the war would end. They would do that to save more lives on their side at the cost to the amount of Gold Civilians of one city. On the Golds side of things, Irellia wants to bomb all the Red's cities and also wants the offworlders to bomb EACH city the Reds own as well, saving the Golds the trouble, this would result in the Golds killing RED CIVILIANS as well.
Both sides are guilty of this threat, you cant justify either side here. Both sides are in the wrong. The only way to view this situation is in technicalities. The Reds want to bomb ONE city to end the war completely. The Golds want to bomb all the Red Cities to end the war completely. Id like you to tell me, which one would result in more innocent deaths? Unless you view each individual Red Myr as soulless monsters bent on death and destruction of an entire race, Golds killing civilians are unavoidable. So dont put the Golds on a moral pedestal when the same damn thing would happen if the situation was reversed.
Both Sides are Evil, Ive said this Twice at least. They both do Evil things, they both do good things, they both have problems. This is what war does, it can make good people do bad things in the name of something they may not even understand. And regardless of whichever each side's position is on the war map, they both would do the same damn thing to each other, save for a few changes.
If the situation was reversed, do you really think we'd be having a different conversation? No, it would be the same, save for what color is on top. Choosing a side here, is a matter of preference, not what morals are at play here.
Its War. Any side of a war would commit atrocities to win, and save as many people on their side as they can. We really shouldnt even be holding one side over the other. Cause in the end after viewing everything there is to be about this whole situuation, the only difference here.... Is the color.
