Because it is bad. People really do not have problem with Brienne milking or Kas/Kiyoko events.
Your gripes with CoC II
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I think people not liking the Quin one is probably because it's Quin, and while I don't really think much of him one way or the other, other folks love to hate him for some reason. I don't see people complain about Brienne's all that much, so I doubt they'd hate a decent Azzy one either. I wouldn't mind it personally if it functioned the same as Brienne's does, where you can say yes, no, always yes, or always no.
As for anything else, I've talked about this ad nauseam in the past, so I don't really have the energy to dig every bit of it back up to re-explain my feelings. If you're curious about my personal feelings about their relationship, I typed them all up here a while back as I refreshed myself by going through the whole thing scene by scene and writing as I went. If you're uninterested in the entire spiel, just read the "My final verdict is that..." portion of the post and what follows after it.
I think I'd rather just get the aforementioned "go for it but still remove it for me, the player" option when she approaches the champion about Lia. I don't like Lia much even without her relationship with Azzy so that option would be the ideal solution for me, personally.
And between pet, king, and platonic savior, the latter seems like the outlier. For the record, one of the devs on Discord was informed of the "and yourself, platonic or not" line and replied "god damnit". So honestly it seems like a lot of this is beefy patch jank.
EDIT: Nope, misread code which happens a lot. The scene is definitely written as if it's only meant to trigger as a liaden.isPoly interaction though
EDIT EDIT: The hug also got an exasperated response. The lesson here is report things that seem janky because a lot of the time they just are, lol.
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I don't mind Quin approaching the player, what I do mind is him approaching the player with the exact same damn content over and over. If he came up and was all, hey, I really miss you, want to hang out? And by hang out I mean have a lot of sex? And a yes just triggered his normal sex scene collection with that "taleer package" scene as another selectable option, I'd be a lot more okay with it personally.
Lol, guess I'm keeping away from Azzy/Lia content on my male characters until next patch...
So even a hug is off the table. This really fails to endear me to her in any capacity.
I find the Harpy event annoying as hell and I don't know how to get rid of her besides kicking her out of my room. Does it disable her permanently if you do that? I only have bedmates when I'm looking for something in particular, and I think that's the only other way to stop her from appearing. =w=
About the Quin holiday thing...I liked being a holiday slut once or twice. But how do you stop him from asking if we have holiday events on? Can you opt out permanently or something?
About the Quin holiday thing...I liked being a holiday slut once or twice. But how do you stop him from asking if we have holiday events on? Can you opt out permanently or something?
Yeah, if you keep kicking the Wingleader out she stops showing up. And the answer for 'how do you stop him from asking' is... you can't. Ever. There's probably a console command for it but otherwise it's an infinitely repeating event. To the end of time, Quin will be asking if you'd like to be his holiday hussy.
Like those poor folk stuck impregnating Brienne every fortnight because they selected Always and refuse to use birth control.
Man, I remember having to plot out a very specific route in order to end up with a scenario where it's acceptable for Brienne to happen, something like timing the trip back to the Frosthound so that Atugia shows up, leading to you getting inside the Frosthound without Garth talk triggering, then that scene where Brint is in heat happens because of amount of time it took to get back, then it's too late to see Sanders so you go to bed, then right after you wake up Garth asks you to go find Garret, and you can't just leave Garth's son to die that man is your benefactor, so you go do Dog Days and at that point it's been long enough that the armor should trigger. It doesn't because of anti-frustration features, so you don't end up with Brienne by accident, but with that much time having elapsed it should have.
I think it also involved using Ahmri to pad your time getting back, just overall a doozy trying to create a scenario where reasonably you would not be able to get the armor off, they really do give you quite a bit of time even before the anti-frustration feature of having to go through each scene in the process a set number of days from the previous one. Instead of one countdown it's a set of countdowns that trigger in sequence so no matter how long you take to get the first scene in the transformation, you still have a fixed number of time before the next scene.
The collar was intended to keep her under control for the immediate future as we're busy infiltrating the castle and can't leave her free to interfere for the next half hour or so; magical obedience collar was the quickest way to restrain her and it was right there to use. The fact that it ends up unremovable because we forgot to establish a safeword is explicitly an accident.
Plus Etheryn doesn't want to kill her because Jae'lyn was genuinely kind to her in the past but doesn't want to risk her pouncing on people and fucking them without consent or turning into a Demon, even if that can end up happening anyway. That's why all those extra bits get involved. I'm sure in epilogue slides she'll get a bit about how the collar came off and she and Delilah shacked up and had a bunch of elven kids or something.
Yeah, this is a setting where magical enchantments can be broken with some combination of time, power and the right knowledge, it's just that these things aren't always within the intended scope of the game. See Cait's brand for the most prominent example of 'Yes it can be broken, yes it could come up in the ending, no it's not happening during gameplay'.
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That's honestly a pretty fair take, it is kinda straight out of left field with that sequence.
Ahahaha, no. The game forced me into enslaving her at the time, so, by all gosh darn Dallizas "sapphic" sparks, I am monopolizing that dick all to myself.
Still waiting for a threesome with Jaelyn and Arona. 2 big subs at your beck and call sounds divine.
If it doesn't feel natural to you, you haven't seen enough shit hit the fan. To paraphrase a quote I've heard somewhere but can't remember who it's attributed to:
Real life can get away with stupid shit no one would think would happen, but you can't argue with it, it's real life and it did happen. Meanwhile, fiction is held to certain standards regarding things that can and should happen because of how it seems logical and natural. The more real you make your story, the more unreal it can seem.
Personally, I had no problem with that scene. And as a writer of a story, EVERYTHING you write is in service to where you want things to go. How else are you to progress the story?
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Eh, yeah, the unexpected and crazy perfect storm situations can and do happen in our reality, but the problem with this line of thought is that is often lacks the nuance needed to make it any more valid then the views it's put in opposition to. There's a whole literary world that has to respond to the nigh impossible occurrence you just dropped in it's lap, characters nearby would naturally acknowledge the seeming hand of fate at work in one for or another.
Hell, when you exist in a world with trickster gods and demon sorceresses, you'd probably be extra attentive of things occurring that seem highly unlikely, especially when they seem to exist solely to enable you to do some twisted sexy shenanigans.
The real issue is the characterization though. Ryn suddenly becoming a curious idiot and going 'wut dat' with the conveniently enchanted slave collar and cock ring that will handily enable you to enslave a dickazon elf in an incredibly fetishistic way, the fact that a low/no corrupt champ raises no concerns with what putting a possibly corruptive item on someone that is already on the brink of demonification might do, the fact that they instantly start flashing some strong domineering vibes with the "MY good girl" line even when they're actually enslaving someone and not just play acting in the bedroom.
Though you are in a tainted fuck palace at the time, so it's possible everyone present is being subtly influenced by ambient dark magicks into being just a wee bit more soup-brained then usual.
For a proper gripe of my own, Jael is worthless as even a slave since there isn't an option to make her compliment one's antlers. Might as well send her to wayfort and let the blue hobo merchant eat her soul since she clearly was not using it to begin with. Despicable.
My wayfort has become a wretched hive of scum and villainy; I always let Jae'lyn loose, and if there was an option to make her less subby I would. More demon chicks to break me, please.
One one hand yeah, i would definitely want more direct corruption of some character by Champ. On the other i have some extremely vague memories of devs not wanting to go in that direction or something along those lines.
Why tho
There's nothing wrong with the Champion - the viewpoint character - taking on a more active role in the story as an unscrupulous bastard. I would find that very entertaining, and it would be our choice as a player.
Last I knew it was more corrupting options would start to appear during the later half of the game otherwise if you just corrupted everything at the start there's a lot of spots where the story just kind of wouldn't work so you can't really run counter to your own story goals right now.
Regarding champ being the one to cause the downfall of an NPC, the most active case is definitely Milly in Khor'minos. Champ drugs her, pushes her boundaries, takes advantage of her, and eventually causes her to manifest signs of demonic corruption. So if that's what you're looking for, look for a baker in Khor'minos.
There's also Nihara in the Undermountain, though it's more of an inadvertent thing. She's a watercatte who takes in influence from liquids, so if a corrupted champ keeps giving her liquids she becomes corrupted.
There are obstacles to champ corruption content - whatever happens, it needs to be justifiable in universe that your companions don't all leave you and you don't get kicked out of the essential story hubs. If you do something so corrupt they kick you out of Khor'minos for example, either the story breaks completely or they have to write a whole separate story path for the narrative to continue. Also, finding people to actually write it, and questions over whether the paying audience would support more direct corrupt content. If champ corrupting people doesn't boost paying subscribers, it's much harder to justify putting time and money into developing it.
There's also Nihara in the Undermountain, though it's more of an inadvertent thing. She's a watercatte who takes in influence from liquids, so if a corrupted champ keeps giving her liquids she becomes corrupted.
There are obstacles to champ corruption content - whatever happens, it needs to be justifiable in universe that your companions don't all leave you and you don't get kicked out of the essential story hubs. If you do something so corrupt they kick you out of Khor'minos for example, either the story breaks completely or they have to write a whole separate story path for the narrative to continue. Also, finding people to actually write it, and questions over whether the paying audience would support more direct corrupt content. If champ corrupting people doesn't boost paying subscribers, it's much harder to justify putting time and money into developing it.
Hey question: why does the upcoming BriHaus expansion consist of 500 pages? That's so many sheets of paper that even if you went double sided you could fit two movie scripts, a monologue and an enormous book of poetry.
Variables.
Just off the top of my head,
-Brint/Brienne
--Romantic/Platonic
---Has Kids Yes/No
-Rina Romantic/Platonic
--Champ Has Dick Yes/No
-Cassia Romantic/Platonic
-if Brienne, Family Matters Yes/No
--Rina Family Matters Yes/No
---If Rina Family Matters Has Dick, Regular/Lesdomme
--Cassia Family Matters Yes/No
Probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I almost feel like if the corruption parts should have been just left out of the game, considering player interest as well as what seems to be the interest of most of the writers. That's not to say I don't like it, rather the opposite, I just feel that if this was just a straight up champion story with a more traditional heroic fantasy story but with a lot of naughty stuff (Kas romance etc included) added, in more than a few ways this would have been a better game. Those wanting corruption elements wouldn't have been left hanging and looking at those stumped corrupt quest solutions, and writers could focus on what they most wanted to, and not have to devote time to elements only a minority seem to care about, and not have to devote time to "what if the Centaur village/Hornet Hive is still corrupt" etc when writing future content, and instead just focused on expanding what's there already, with the assumption it's always going to be saved/purified, and just let the player instead do as with the Wayfort, decide how much they want to slut up locations rather than "corrupt" them.
I kinda hope the next game by the theme once we get to the end of COC2's dev will go that route, just as well. Maybe even break from "COC" juast as well while at it for a new IP, since as it is the connections are tenous at best and only expressed by Kas and Aileh really. I'd still be here for it regardless, as I like the rest of the game and what the team has done with it, quite a lot at that, I just feel those elements feel like a bit of a miss, for now at least.
I kinda hope the next game by the theme once we get to the end of COC2's dev will go that route, just as well. Maybe even break from "COC" juast as well while at it for a new IP, since as it is the connections are tenous at best and only expressed by Kas and Aileh really. I'd still be here for it regardless, as I like the rest of the game and what the team has done with it, quite a lot at that, I just feel those elements feel like a bit of a miss, for now at least.
Partially what drew me to this game was the corruption aspect (among other things) and it doesn't seem like the writers want anything to do with it. I mentioned before that I really enjoyed Renegade in Mass Effect, and in SW:TOR it shows that being a villain can be just as fulfilling as being a hero, if not more fulfilling than being a jedi or republic soldier.
Here it's like the writers have zero interest in making an interesting path for DK champions, and all I can think of is, why even bother to put it in the game if it just leads to a dead end? I'm genuinely curious as to what the deal is with that. I want to do the corrupting, not handing it over to someone else. If that's not going to happen, then why bother making a corrupted path in the first place? I'm confused about that.
I remember saying a while back, but I feel like the next game after CoC2 will probably be to CoC what Sekiro was for Dark Souls. Whole different ip with many of the customization and variables for the player removed to focus on a more specific narrative experience, where the writers can actually have a defined player character to work with rather than a blob.
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