Last character she had around a dozen children (enough for 7 tails) when she got released, I still couldn't keep the amulet. That was on my Black Mage who kinda really fucking liked that amulet just for its stats, which was why she had so many kids. Keros keeps the amulet afterwards, the big floofy dickbag. It's why Komari gives you an amulet on meeting her to begin with, so you have a replacement... that is a defensive swap for one of the best offensive amulets in the game. Really shit trade, and honestly considering I tend to be very floofed out and almost never do anything with Kiyoko post release I might just "forget" to release her on my White Mage tbh...
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Hmm. Decided to verify and sure, he doen't say to get her pregnant. Maybe it got reduced, or I got mixed up because Keros has special reactions if you free Kiyoko with certain numbers of kids. It's especially funny if you have 32 or so since Keros just goes full jaw drop.
Um, I don't understand how to get the special anal virginity loss scene for Cait and Salwah to proc. I wanted to make Cait's first time special since I like her and the wiki says she has to be an anal virgin. I have a magicock that I normally keep disabled and I haven't touched her butt. (´･ω･`)?
do you know if anyone else has poked her in the butt? Like some marked mercs, or maybe a marefolk shaman.
No, I usually beat them pretty easily even on dark mode... I have no idea who or what took her virginity, and that's the problem.
I wish there was like, a short scene after her virginity is taken, like a small conversation between Cait and us discussing it and how she feels about it. It seems pretty important to her from what I gather, so I'm really confused as to why it's so easy to have it get taken away, with no indication as to how...
The safest way to ensure Cait doesn't lose her dark cherry is to leave her at the inn until you get to Evergreen and unlock the Waystones, and explore enough of the valley to get a direct line to the part of it where her Dad is hiding out. Then take her there, do the bargain for her Dad's location and make a bee line for her dad's location, do the reunion and the subsequent battle. Then, just avoid having sex with her until you unlock Sally's sex menu and voilà.
Because I didn't write it and don't ask companions what they feel about my companion when I play the game, as I play the game while preparing to add/write my own new additions. This is pretty normal across all writers. Very few writers know the entirety of what other writers have in their content unless it's important to whatever they are working on. Bad take and likely not the first.
They aren't accurate. This, again, is normal. A lot of people love to hate on Quin but continue to reach and push that he's some serial rapist. I also love this new thing of "well he sexualizes everything" when you, the PC, sexualize any character anytime you meet them and then begin analyzing their "assets".
Stupid logic as stupid does.
I agree, simply because I'd say about 70% of the people in Savarra cross sexual boundaries and plenty among them assault people. It's weird to single him out of a vast array of rape-y characters.
I'm hopeful that we'll get to see a softer side of Quin, or what a corruption path would look like for him.
My only issue with Quinn is that event of his in the evening where he asks if the Champ is in for some taleer loving and you got the [In] and [Out] buttons, it was fun the first time but it procs way too often. It should proc once, then if you want it again it should be in his sex menu, similar to the "All Night Blowjob" scene for Brint.
That and the forced quests for recruiting him into the party and to then have to train him, which forces my Paladin character that just wanted to escort him to safety and then just keep an eye on him to go through a lot of (expensive) stuff that he doesn't care about since he's never going to recruit Quin. My own fault for having OCD about open quests I guess, but oh well. Don't get me wrong, the new training quest was fun and my Charmer enjoyed it a lot but, yeah, maybe make it pop via a button in Quin's menu, and never have the join quest pop if you haven't actually asked Quin about joining first?
That and the forced quests for recruiting him into the party and to then have to train him, which forces my Paladin character that just wanted to escort him to safety and then just keep an eye on him to go through a lot of (expensive) stuff that he doesn't care about since he's never going to recruit Quin. My own fault for having OCD about open quests I guess, but oh well. Don't get me wrong, the new training quest was fun and my Charmer enjoyed it a lot but, yeah, maybe make it pop via a button in Quin's menu, and never have the join quest pop if you haven't actually asked Quin about joining first?
CasualAntlerEnjoyer
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I genuinely do not understand why people like this character if they get pickled about people mentioning he's a morally questionable sleeze bag a good deal of the time.
Once he's in the tavern, your interactions with him make that aspect of his character fairly darn clear, like I know some people skip around on the reading but come on now.
I'm saying this as someone who enjoys his content when they're in the right mood. Maybe the character just isn't for you, at least for now. I do believe a sort of 'redemption arc' is planned for him with the weapon and armor training being the start of that, so if it's just him looking hot in his bust image you should be able to get a more overly wholesome character attached to it one day.
EDIT: I am just now realizing you have written this character.
I am now even more perplexed by your displeasure at how people characterize him in this case.
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I was excited to try out Cassidy since they're the first support orientated summon, but their performance imo has been underwhelming. Unlike companions, we do not have the option to control summons manually so we must rely on the summon's AI to get things done. The AI does a decent job for most summons since dealing damage is not too complicated, but when it comes to Cassidy's use of their two supportive powers, Holy Ward and Resplendent Aria, the AI fumbles quite a bit.
When summoned, Cassidy will use Holy Ward on an ally with the least amount of health and will maintain that stance on that ally indefinitely unless interrupted. The issue I've had is when they use Holy Ward on someone that doesn't need a HoT like Cait or Etheryn compared to your party's tank who was passed over because they have higher health. Another issue I've had is that Holy Ward is a good stance to reset but the AI doesn't seem programmed to do stance resetting. This is a shame because it would be a much better use of their turns when Arias of Waves is on cooldown than making basic attacks for unimpressive damage. Resplendent Aria is a great power, but Cassidy seems just as likely to use it on an ally who used a 2 Recharge power as they would on an ally who used a 4 recharge power.
Overall I'm let down by this summon since on paper they seem great but they're just not living up to their potential. For them, I really wish can control summons manually especially if more support summons are planned for the future.
Also, a general gripe I've had about summons is that after getting summoned they get put at the end of the turn order before they can take action. Like, compare a summoner who rolled last vs first. Last is already at the end of the turn order so the power taking effect at the end is no issue. But for first, having their power take effect at the end is no different than having gone last except now you've let the enemy act before you or twice (depending on which party rolled higher) before you do anything else in the round. It's just generally worse to roll high on initiative as a summoner. The easy fix imo is to have them act immediately after you summon them, then have summons roll for initiative for the following rounds.
When summoned, Cassidy will use Holy Ward on an ally with the least amount of health and will maintain that stance on that ally indefinitely unless interrupted. The issue I've had is when they use Holy Ward on someone that doesn't need a HoT like Cait or Etheryn compared to your party's tank who was passed over because they have higher health. Another issue I've had is that Holy Ward is a good stance to reset but the AI doesn't seem programmed to do stance resetting. This is a shame because it would be a much better use of their turns when Arias of Waves is on cooldown than making basic attacks for unimpressive damage. Resplendent Aria is a great power, but Cassidy seems just as likely to use it on an ally who used a 2 Recharge power as they would on an ally who used a 4 recharge power.
Overall I'm let down by this summon since on paper they seem great but they're just not living up to their potential. For them, I really wish can control summons manually especially if more support summons are planned for the future.
Also, a general gripe I've had about summons is that after getting summoned they get put at the end of the turn order before they can take action. Like, compare a summoner who rolled last vs first. Last is already at the end of the turn order so the power taking effect at the end is no issue. But for first, having their power take effect at the end is no different than having gone last except now you've let the enemy act before you or twice (depending on which party rolled higher) before you do anything else in the round. It's just generally worse to roll high on initiative as a summoner. The easy fix imo is to have them act immediately after you summon them, then have summons roll for initiative for the following rounds.
No, I'm not saying he isn't sleazy or whatever (if this is a reply to me), I just don't understand why it's a gripe that he's like that. People can have their gripes but I'm confused as to why he's singled out in that regard.
I mean I also like Quin but I also still find his sleaziness and heavy sexualization of women off-putting. But at least even the most horny characters like Cait and Arona comments about something other than wanting to fuck them while Quin when it comes to women or any feminine characters like Berwyn only ever talks about how much he wants to fuck them.
I never thought of him as rapey asshole since I find major npcs like evergreen creepy and companions&other npcs like Arona and their rapey selves and the asshole behavior just as dislikable.
But I guess he gets picked on a lot just bc he doesn't fit into what most ppl that plays this game are into since he's a guy and all. Also considering he's also a companion, a major npc. And at least Arona has gotten better with her expansion.
As I mentioned before though Quin just needs content and redemption arc in general but there are plenty of discussion that pops into this forum time to time about him. While not every comment of him are justified I do feel like there's also plenty comments by ppl who dislike Quin has been reasonable as well though.
His newest armor expansion is definite step in right direction though. Hope with more of his content ppl find him more acceptable.
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Most things in this are heavily sexualized it is a porn game why play it otherwise no offense. I did let quinn join my crew but I dont really use him I did his class change quest at least.
CasualAntlerEnjoyer
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It was not a reply to you, but I do appreciate the civil response all the same.
The way I see it, there's multiple aspects at work for making Quin not sit right with a more notable portion of players then other characters of similar prominence.
Uses lust magics without consent. Even with the Tui talk being apparently non-canon, he will still utilize it during sexual congress without asking permission. Even in a world where teasing is a form of warfare, this kind of stuff can seem a bit sketchy between allies and friends, especially out of combat.
You have to put in a lot of work to even get him up and running as a follower, and then go through it some more chaff to get him into less-niche tank gear, so him being a jerk makes him come across as even more of an ungrateful cunt when you vouched for him, funded his gear, and then he won't even buy you that drink when you talk to him.
He's a dick. One that dabbles in an awful lot of outright toxic masculinity and misogyny for someone that looks like they could be broken in half by a pinky finger.
He has a dick, and no rack or femmi body nor pronouns to go along with it, so there's a huge portion of the playerbase who are just going to have zero potential interest in him right out the gate. This means that character flaws come off all the worse because the player is not viewing them through smut-colored glasses. I mean look at Kass, she's a genuine irredeemable monster if we're real-talkin', but she's got a battleship-grade shlong and tits dressed up in sexy demon flair, so you get a lot of people pulling mental gymnastics to justify risking their immortal soul and the world for a piece of that. It's unfortunate, but to be expected.
Going along with the former point, him being male(and one of only 2 male companions at that) also means he's in a prime position for judgement by those who hunger for some lad content since their options are more limited. And then with adventuring buddies they get to pick between giant bull man with a fucking battering ram in their pants as well as being too clingy and forcing the player character into acting like a swooning girl/boyfriend who is going to marry Brint after fucking once, and Quin who is an outright asshole most of the time. I imagine some resentment can build up fast here(can speak from personal experience), and Quin is the much more inviting to throw said resentment at when Brint is a nice bro-type who at least will let you take the reigns here and there, whereas you can largely only bottom with Quin and he makes fairly disparaging comments about males that bottom a couple of times iirc.
He does not have antlers.
There's not much in the way of the player or any other characters calling them out on any of their questionable behaviors, whereas even Arona has scenes sprinkled here and there where someone else will give them a 'what the hell'.
Like I said, I kind of like ol' Quin, but I can also completely see why he puts a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. It is just the way it is.
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I mean by that logic why have any drama and dark shit like like Winterwolf quest or any lore at all since it's a porn game.
Some ppl are into heavy sexualization sure but not every ppl are super into rapey vibe and turbo horniness (especially so if that's their entire character).
While yes since it's a porn game and I'm into the sexualization to an extent and hell, I'm into being ultra subby slutty too in game (like mino stuff in khorminos). And at least slutty/horny stuff with like Dryads, centaur caravans, etc stuff are consensual slutty stuff and not non-consensual (which again some are into that that's fine but not for me and some ppl). Totally coincidental in what they're packing in the examples I gave. Probably.
Also, I find npcs with more substance like with background story and personality way more likable than one-dimensional fucky wucky characters. Even more if they have great romantic interaction (like alypia's characters). I also enjoy this game much more than any other porn game just because of the story, lore and well-written characters.
Ho boy, we're having this conversation again huh?
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I honestly wish we wouldn't just because at this point I don't have anything new left to say and there's no point of resolution. Though I will say I wasn't expecting someone to literally argue with a character's creator about how their character is perceived.
I never noticed he does that, I guess I chalked it up to him still being a horny cultist who needs to change. As of right now he isn't my type since I can't marry him and because he's put up a lot of walls that we've yet to fully get through. It feels like an act, and I hope that he's redeemed in some way.
That explains a few things I didn't get. The lust magic thing-- It did stand out to me when I first went through some scenes, and it is definitely not how I would write him. I'm a bit concerned with some of his behavior but the 'he's a r@pist' thing I thought was a bit of a stretch, a world where people don't really give or ask consent unless they want to/are written to be conscious of that.
On more technical aspects of his stats, I rarely use him for battle. A lot of his issues stem from the fact that he's simply not powerful enough. So I usually keep him languishing in the inn until more content for him comes out..
Now, to be fair, we can not marry any guy currently so I do not see why you knock that against him. Well, there is that Nakanos bad end where the granny makes you his perfect waifu for his tsum heart... Man, fuck Kinu and her interdimensional cock-blocking ways.
I think you can become Brint's wife? If I'm not wrong. I usually take Brienne along since I"m not crazy about huge beefy men, but I do love his personality so I'll probably go through his content a few times
About Nakano... I like pretty men, and the fact that he's off limits just cause he might potentially marry someone who may or may not exist is funny but also annoying. My champ would definitely collect his grumpy butt and put him in her boy harem.
Sorry, I'm new to the forum so I've only seen a little bit of what people have said. This will probably be brought up again though, as new people are exposed to Quin and have a thing or two to say.
Heh, you are opposite of me. I love Brints design and some part of his personality, but there are little things that just push me away from idea of actually marrying him or considering him husbando material.
The most personal one being... Well you know how you said that the game treats your relationship with Kiyoko like that between a woman and a man (that happens to be a deadbeat dad)? Well, I agree with Antlers that the relationship between Brint and the champ feels to much like we are partaking a role of a lovestruck girl. One where we can not help but go on and on how amazing our "hunk of a boyfriend" is.
And since I rarely get knocked up by him on account that I engage with guys mostly as a guy (with few exceptions), most of his more romantic moments are absent in my saves. And those that are present follow the aforementioned problem of treating my champ like a chick in the relationship.
But my options are same as yours-- limited, so I will probably marry him just to see how it turns out. Who knows, maybe he would be willing to wear a dress if I ask him nicely.
If it was just someone that may or may not exist, I would be less pissed than I am now... Actually, the following realization does not make me more pissed, just more defeated.
Because Rindo also gets to take a swing at the sexy twink. I guess that my boy-seeking champ is just not that important... Thank Gods (excluding Keros) for Teti because If my only option for foxy marriage (or appropriation of one) was to become Takahiros concubine... Yuck!
So yeah, we need more boys to construct out boy harems. Still waiting for a catboy husbando.
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I mean there'll always be new ppl coming in and out of the forum so for ppl that's been around in this forum for a while like me and you it's old news. Still, just like there'll always be ppl either complaining about ryn getting a vagina, winter wolf or kitsune drama, etc. it's kind of inevitable. While they could comb through the older topics pretty sure most ppl don't want to do all that or feel too lazy to.
And to be fair in any form of art and with writing in general there'll always be the author's intent of how the writing is supposed to be perceived but there can always be a difference in how the reader might perceive things. That's what makes ppl's reading experience different and fun you know? Just like how ppl can perceive the same movie in different ways. So even if the author wants their character to view certain ways can't stop ppl from interpreting them differently or voicing/arguing their opinion. Even if it ends up heavily mischaracterizing them in the process.
Unfortunate that so many ppl view Quin in a heavily negative light but to be fair Quin is pretty shady considering his past association with the cult and he also isn't of the best moral character. As I said though hope that new content of him can have his perception changed though.
CasualAntlerEnjoyer
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And I'll do it again.
Though as I mentioned in the edit, I had no idea that was the writer as I posted that. I'm more just extremely confused now, as this sort of reaction would be incredibly predictable to the one writing up this character before a public release. You don't spend that much time typing up painstakingly detailed passages about how much of an asshole your character is, and then get surprised/grumpy when people call them an asshole. They're just causing themselves grief at that point.
I know why Berwyn had to be changed up, but I'm kinda sad about what's been done to him. He just feels a bit too aloof now, as if all the time the champion spent with him didn't really matter
Reading comprehension questioned as you don't understand my rebuttle. You can't even realize who you're replying to. It's always funny to me how that's the defense of this group of Quin haters: "Well I like him though, here's just me ragging on him for a few pages NBD."
Then it turns into threads. And then you're just like every other eye-rolled alleged critic. It follows a trend that the overwhelming majority of criticism aimed at Quin always ends up "Well I didn't play X but I know Y so therefore you're wrong and Quin is evil/a rapist/only about sex."
Sorry to break it to you that I don't really feel too much interest in placating you. I'm not paid to write and you certainly don't support me. You don't have factual criticism, just opinionated ones. For example...
Ah yes, here comes a "deep review" of Quin, citing these two things as his entire character. That tells me you have NOT actually played his content. Or you must surely think every other character that has content of turbo horny (Arona) or rapey vibes (weird might be Arona too here TBH) is solely defined by it.
Remember that part where Arona is one of the only companions willing to kill in your name? No real moral qualm on that?
Get back to me when you guys who always cite these outlandish takes actually take up a problem with the other characters that equally do it and do so at a large/impressive scale. You won't, though, because you only see the male character doing it and not the others.
There is a point of resolution: come to me with a valid fact and not some sappy opinion that can't stand scrutiny. It has happened in the past and did lead to corrections/changes/additions to verify intent of content. But overwhelmingly, the forums don't bring that out anymore. The majority of people are alting or on burner accounts doing their regular piss contest. It's why I largely ignore the forums now.
I'm extremely confused how you can attack a character and not know who wrote them/who wrote what content. But you did and that's saying something.
I really dislike double-posting, but I want to answer this as it's pretty important.
You do not have to recruit Quin or kill him off. You can just let him keep running forever. Once you finish Harvest Valley, you would never see him again. So yes: it is your own fault for OCD about open quests. Unlike the forced choice to kill or spare + fuck the Alraune, I give you a neutral choice. Complain about all forced choices or don't at all.
As for the last thing, that sounds like a bug. His questline for the Gym shouldn't pop unless he's a companion. It's weird for him to fight for you if you haven't convinced him to join you as a companion. If that is happening, report it in the Bug Report section.
There is not a corruption path planned. Blame the people who neg'd me for years and kept demanding me to feminize him, as I was open to the idea of a femboy/more corrupt version of Quin until people with bad attitudes drove me to not want to cater to them. This is the same reason a lot of my content interest dried up: I have no rush to write content for people who want to bitch all about it. I got nagged for over a year about Byvernia preg, released it, then never heard about it after the first week it was out.
That's when I had my reality check: unless I become a paid employee for CoC2, I will write when it doesn't impact my life and when I feel like it. I've felt like it recently, actually, but haven't been able to get the freetime. I did piece out part of Leofric's content drop the other day for something, in fact, and intend to finish dropping him as long as my schedule allows this week. But I get hopeful a lot like this, so no promises. More Quin is in the chamber for later, though, which does cover his softer side. This is why there is a relationship system. It will matter. I went through and outlined the specific ranges a while back for writers, in fact, because I wanted to narrow down issues with how to interpret it.
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