Your gripes with CoC II

[Animalistic]

Brint/Brienne get more or less equal amounts of development, though sometimes one will get an expansion before the other; the former is definitely not being left 'as-is'. Likewise B's plans for Berwyn are to make various transformations to him an option and one of those options is 'leave him just the way he is'. There's been precisely zero indication that B plans to leave Berwyn to dry on the vine in favor of Wynne.

I disagree somewhat in same vain with what Burnerbro said. A lot of effort for Berwyn is still being spread over to Matiha and his female/vagina variants. While I can not exactly colarate the content they gain as effort that should have been spent to bolster Berwyn I like, it still feels bad. Like, imagine if Ryn suddenly gained a vagina.

This all comes down to feel. It feels bad that the game is bending over backwards to please part of the playerbase by musceling into the stuff that is already niche to begin with. Like, the male content is already sporadic enough and having the one already present now altered for non male lovees to enjoy... And it being one way street is just not fun.

I get that I am minority and I can not blame it from business perspective. And B is good enough to make it work. And I do like genderbend and Cboys. But I hope you get what I mean.

 

[wery12345]

I mean hes probably focusing on wynne so she feels fleshed out instead of being "berwyn but not they have a vagoo", chances are berwyn wont be left contentless.

 

[AceofSpades]

I get what your saying but this one is just funny to me, because shes the one character is would never make sense.

I understand why there are lore reasons why some characters would never, and I'm not demanding that anyone be turned male or anything. She is just a character that, if turned male, I would probably be into.

Brint/Brienne get more or less equal amounts of development, though sometimes one will get an expansion before the other; the former is definitely not being left 'as-is'. Likewise B's plans for Berwyn are to make various transformations to him an option and one of those options is 'leave him just the way he is'. There's been precisely zero indication that B plans to leave Berwyn to dry on the vine in favor of Wynne.

That's fair, and I don't think Brint or Brienne have really gotten large expansions so perhaps Brienne's is first and Brint's will come second. The only other expansions I think they both got were the alternate sets which iirc were very minor in terms of storyline. As far as Berry goes, I believe there's an entire marriage portion to Wynne, and a threesome marriage with Wynn and Matiha both, but if you choose to leave Berry male, you just stay fuck buddies and the sex mostly focuses on Matiha. I could have read the documents wrong, and I'm not saying the content should be changed or altered, it's just a bummer that it wasn't thought of in the first place.

Now you know what 97% of the player base thinks about the content YOU like.

I acknowledged that I was speaking about content that doesn't cater to the majority, and I understand that concept, so thank you for reinforcing that you read my post.

 

[Animalistic]

As far as Berry goes, I believe there's an entire marriage portion to Wynne, and a threesome marriage with Wynn and Matiha both, but if you choose to leave Berry male, you just stay fuck buddies and the sex mostly focuses on Matiha. I could have read the documents wrong, and I'm not saying the content should be changed or altered, it's just a bummer that it wasn't thought of in the first place.

First, I do not think that marriage is even planned. For now anyway. It is long way down.
And second, the way I remember you can be in poly or fuckbuddy relationships with Matiha and Berwyn or with just Berwyn alone if you decide that you do not want Matiha.And it stands regardless of gender.
It would be stupid if I could not date/marry Berwyn if I decided to slightly monopolize him.

 

[SmithEK]

I feel this is going to have people bitching at me for but fuck it.. If CoC2 is as bad as you keep saying, why not play TiTs? Plenty of men to fuck and none that I know have been turned into a lady. Also fucking hell, Berry was an incomplete character who know is getting more content.. not just his feminine side but also his masculine side.. read Bs previews if you don't believe it. And for Brienne/Brint the mino has more content for his Male counterpart, so why complain when Brienne gets more and its already been said Brint will get more as wel

 

[AceofSpades]

CoC2 isn't bad? This is a thread for gripes and the gripe I echoed was that we've had a lot of males turn/plan to turn female but not vice versa so it's a little disappointing is all. I'm not even demanding anything or saying anyone is being unfair. I'm not accusing anyone of anything or belittling anyone, just saying it would be cool to experience some of our female characters as males too. That's it. Period.

The combat is fun, the lore is interesting, the development of most characters is enjoyable, the setting and tone are super cool. I think it's a quality game and the writers do well. I just want more dick in my PC's butt and/or throat, sue me.

 

[SmithEK]

CoC2 isn't bad? This is a thread for gripes and the gripe I echoed was that we've had a lot of males turn/plan to turn female but not vice versa so it's a little disappointing is all. I'm not even demanding anything or saying anyone is being unfair. I'm not accusing anyone of anything or belittling anyone, just saying it would be cool to experience some of our female characters as males too. That's it. Period.

The combat is fun, the lore is interesting, the development of most characters is enjoyable, the setting and tone are super cool. I think it's a quality game and the writers do well. I just want more dick in my PC's butt and/or throat, sue me.

You said the Male counterpart gets left without content.. Brint is still getting more content.

 

[AceofSpades]

You said the Male counterpart gets left without content.. Brint is still getting more content.

I said it seems like, just going from what I've seen, that a lot of male counterparts don't seem to have plans. I know Brint has more planned but I don't know what that entails aside from a brief mention of marriage. As things stand now, if you pick Brienne, you have a quest line with Brienne's family. Granted, that content doesn't appeal to everyone either. With Brint, for as long as we've had him, I haven't found any questline for him except for a short in and out of the spectral forge to get his ice gear. And again, Brienne has a similar moment with getting the ancestral fire set. So unless you don't have a Hawkethorne date with Brienne, or you can't knock her up, or she's missing two scenes where she's the domme and you're the sub, I'm pretty sure she's at more content now. I'm not mad about it or crying it as some great injustice, it's just a bummer that Brint doesn't have any kind of questline with his family, even if it were something platonic. Just some kind of storyline with them. I hope he gets that kind of a story, I just haven't seen any mention of it.

(Editing out this Berry segment because I had misunderstood the context of "wives" and I can't see any difference between Berry and Wynne without that.)

Keros himself doesn't have a huge depth of content on his own so I'm not really fussed about him having female scenes, though I'll admit it'll suck if there's some kind of storyline/quest that is exclusive to his female form.

So I was a bit extreme in saying that writers are leaving the males to stagnate, but it's not easy to iust believe in expansions I've never seen proof of when the proof that I can see is that male characters are becoming female but there's no evidence that the reverse is being planned. And I just feel the need to express again, because I don't want to come off like I'm entitled to change the whole game to specifically cater to me, that I get that these writers are writing content they are comfortable/familiar with and interested in, and they're not in the wrong for doing so. The feeling of being left out in a sense just isn't great,

 

[Animalistic]

As far as Berry, reading B's document, there's a flag for Wynne being flagged as "wife" (though I'm still unsure if it's a special relationship stage or an actual deeper relationship) but I didn't see any kind of flag for a new type of relationship with Berry, other than sharing him with his mistress. It could be in the works and just unannounced, I have no idea, but I can see there are special plans in place for deciding he identifies as a female. Again, I'm glad he's getting any kind of expansion at all because content is better than no content, and again, it's just kind of a bummer that having a special relationship status for male Berry doesn't seem to be planned. Which again, if that's not the vision B has for him, I'm not going to say I deserve/demand to have it. I'm just saying I want it.

Hmmm, that is strange. I see no reason why we could not have Berry as a husband. Can you post the doc?

 

[AceofSpades]

Hmmm, that is strange. I see no reason why we could not havr Berry as husband. Can you post the doc?

Ah, you actually having me go back realize I misread something. What I was referencing was this:

“[berwyn.name] were just talking about you when you summoned the tower on us,” Matiha explains, her lips curling upward deviously as she watches you make out with [berwyn.name]. “And we were just thinking… that it would be <b>wonderful</b> if you were to pay us a visit right about now. It feels like it’s been too long since you had given your [berwyn.isWynne|wives|lovers] any special attention.”

But that seems to imply if you have taken them both into a polyamorous relationship rather than sexing one of them, or both of them separately. That's my misunderstanding, I'll edit my past post now because there's no sense in a moot point.

 

[Animalistic]

But that seems to imply if you have taken them both into a polyamorous relationship rather than sexing one of them, or both of them separately. That's my misunderstanding, I'll edit my past post now because there's no sense in a moot point.

Just a little bit of correction. The parser [berwyn.is Wynne] takes into account if you have Wynne (good girl) or Berwyn (goodest boyo!). So if you have both Matiha and Wynne as lovers they are your wives and if you have Berwyn and Matiha they are your lovers since it would be little delerious to call them your wives. If Matiha was a guy, Berwyn and Matiha would be your husband. You get what I mean.

 

[AceofSpades]

Just a little bit of correction. The parser [berwyn.is Wynne] takes into account if you have Wynne (good girl) or Berwyn (goodest boyo!). So if you have both Matiha and Wynne as lovers they are your wives and if you have Berwyn and Matiha they are your lovers since it would be little delerious to call them your wives. If Matiha was a guy, Berwyn and Matiha would be your husband. You get what I mean.

I do lol. Thanks for pointing me back towards the content!

 

[SmithEK]

So I tried out the bad ends for the dead queen and her consort in winter palace.. it was lacking compared to other ends. It would of been nice to have abit more to it.

 

[wery12345]

Eh there probably wasnt much more they could do with it, isnt a very flexable bad end that one.

 

[SmithEK]

Eh there probably wasnt much more they could do with it, isnt a very flexable bad end that one.

Suppose.. I wanted to see how the queen or consort got Ryn's cage off.

 

[wery12345]

They wouldnt, shits soulbound, need to deal with the big blue jackass for that.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Guess we'll be waiting a while then. What are the chances we have to wait until near the endgame to deal with Alissa?

 

[Violyn]

Given that Alissa seems to be hiding somewhere in the mountains (aka somewhere near or around khor'minos), I'd give it a year or less for that content to come out.

 

[WolframL]

Actually, if you advance the plot you'll find out where she is and it's not around Khor'minos proper but an island that used to be a holding of the boer'alvar. That said, Alissa's associated quest is linked to your progression with the Khor'minos plotline so even if the two are treated as separate quests they're probably going to have somewhat parallel development because of the links between them. You advance both quests when you discover the evidence of where Alissa is but you get the ship that's meant to transport you to Alissa's location as part of The Siege of Khor'minos, rather than the Alissa-centric Demon of Ice.

Now once we deal with Alissa and (presumably, Savin surely wouldn't troll us twice here... right?) get the means to remove Ryn's cage, whether we can finally give Ryn's royal sceptre the treatment it deserves or Savin follows through on this idea and makes us go through one last quest is something only he knows.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Well in fairness I can imagine it will take some time for her to get used to being able to get erect, and she still seems to be very submissive sexually. At least for me, it wouldn't really change anything unless they gave us a pregnancy by Ryn.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

presumably, Savin surely wouldn't troll us twice here... right?

Savin would 100% troll us. The only question is how he's planning to do it.

My money's on Alissa not having her soul on her person or anywhere near her and we only find out after we've gone through everything to beat her.

 

[wery12345]

I dont think Alissa is as good as Tollus at the ol "fuck you champ I get away again".

 

[WolframL]

I dont think Alissa is as good as Tollus at the ol "fuck you champ I get away again".

Well maybe not the latter part of that sentence but since she appears to be hiding a battering ram under that skirt, she's probably quite eager to give the 'fuck you Champ' portion a go...

 

[mikethor007]

Well maybe not the latter part of that sentence but since she appears to be hiding a battering ram under that skirt, she's probably quite eager to give the 'fuck you Champ' portion a go...

She'll be getting a double battering ram instead. And then a scythe.

 

[wery12345]

Well maybe not the latter part of that sentence but since she appears to be hiding a battering ram under that skirt, she's probably quite eager to give the 'fuck you Champ' portion a go...

Jokes on her I have my weapons fuck around and find out, though my money is on a certain bastard saving her like they did the general.

 

[Daft Hellians]

Jokes on her I have my weapons fuck around and find out, though my money is on a certain bastard saving her like they did the general.

Yeah, I really wish there was a dialogue option when you talk to Jael'yn that the only reason she is still alive is because my elf waif pleaded for her to be spared, and had she not, I'd have killed her without sparing it a thought. Help her realize just how thin the ice she's on, from the perspective of an actual person and not a porn game protagonist bound by 'But Thou Must'.

 

[SmithEK]

I'm looking forward to sexing Alissa..

 

[wery12345]

Alright i've got a gripe, pick a fight keeps giving me the Kitsune squad and kura, both of who obviously arent agressive to me due to being foxen and all that. Kinda hope that can be switched to "explore" only if you are.

 

[sumdude3456]

The only actual complaint I have about this game is the way it seems to flip between "blob PC" and "established character" when it comes to moral decisions. I think it's most prevalent in the Rift and GweyrQuest, where things end up feeling a lot more linear than the rest of the game to the point that it feels disconnected from the main story. Hearing Gweyr's side of the slaughter and only having 2 quick dialogue options that give the most basic "Yeah you're a monster" or "No you're in the right despite your monstrous actions" to an inherently and intentionally nuanced decision makes me wonder why this was included in the game if it wasn't going to be explored in more than a few linear dialogue options with Sanders and her family.

Obviously if you're writing a main character in a TF game with several different personality types there just isn't enough time in the day to add a variant for every bit of dialogue, so my criticism isn't about the PC having a 'voice', it's about how it feels like the darkest part of the game is a half-baked slice of surface level shock value that thinks it's deeper than it is.

I fucking love it when any kind of art medium challenges my way of thinking and makes me reflect on my beliefs and why I hold them, and a situation as grey as Gweyr's is the perfect way to do just that. The issue comes from the complete lack of actual discussion. You can talk to Garth about it, but it's a set conversation with set arguments. My champ can't really pick a side, he can't approach the topic a different way, and when he reunites the old wolf with her family he always ends up giving some quasi-moralizing speech about how their family has to get their shit together. I had different motivations for bringing Gweyr back to Hawkthorne, but the game assumes that I want to be involved in their drama when I only wanted my buddy Garrett to have a chance to have a mother. Instead of playing a character, I was reading the author's thoughts on the debate.

Any open-ended presentation on morality falls flat when you aren't given the voice or choice to explore those questions in a meaningful way. The medium of video games are inherently interactive with so much more potential to connect to the audience than a TV show or book and it does nothing with that potential. In the end, I know a lot of content just isn't going to get a lot of depth because there's only so many hours in a day, it's just disappointing that the topic the game chose to address is hardly addressed at all.

I should also clarify that this isn't a dig at Tobs or his writing. That's all the criticism I've got, still fucking love this game.

 

[Savin]

snip

This is definitely something we've learned from and mean to improve on in future products.