Your gripes with CoC II

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wery12345

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How could you forget Kiyoko? Yes, she always falls prey to her breeding lusts in the end and doesn't live up to her initial impression of a super sophisticated and super dominant lady, but she really tries her best, bless her heart.
Thus is the price of being a den mother, she can get you where she wants but then she loses to her kit wanting and cock lusting in the end. Hm though I guess Kura has some if you do the option that triggers the loss scenes.
 

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It all depends on if him getting beaten/corrupted/demonized (doesn't matter by who) will be written and implemented in the game, no? IIRC Leofric is Bubble's character...

And he's absurdly busy. He did complete the bats, right? Dunno how's his writing queue...
I do hope Bubbles does not waste his time in writing corrupt content (no matter how miniscule) because it just being reserved for making corrupt playerbase feel bad (ala corrupt hive) just does not sit well with me. Or many people I imagine.
 

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Wasn't his shtick that we can not defeat him technically. It is mire in the lines "Fine, I will let you win because of your unyielding spirit" or something along those lines? Like, we never can defeat him and he just lets us win?
Maybe that is what they are referring to.
No, that's STILL not true. And you KNOW that's not true; you got yelled at BY BUBBLES HIMSELF for spreading that.
 

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No, that's STILL not true. And you KNOW that's not true; you got yelled at BY BUBBLES HIMSELF for spreading that.
This is what Bubblelord wrote "He doesn't "take pittance"; he doesn't pity you but respects your skill and ability, which is why he stops fighting. Again, assuming makes a BIG ASS out of you."
He stops fighting. You never actually defeat him, since his stamina and abilities are to great for you. He just stops.
Now, you may see it how Bubbles see it, as "respect". I see it as a way in having your cake and eating it too. Having your character be more capable and powerful than champion and his ensemble but at same time making it possible for players to progress through his combat encounter without always meating a bad end ala Doctor Badger while still keeping that clout of indestructibility.
So, yeah, I do not see him letting us a win as a way for him to show respect. Just a pity victory at the end of the day. At least the way Bubs described it.

Here is the thread where he replied to me on that subject (among many others). That was my same response to his "respect" argument.
 
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So anyways, my current gripe is that it seems giving Livernus a pity blowjob once permanently makes your character immediately gobble on that D at every possible opportunity. I would enjoy the option to be able to choose to, yknow, not be a manslut just for using boat services. Or let Cait do it. Livernus is a friendly guy, I'm sure she'd be happy to.
 

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Uh... What?
Yeah, where did that come from. It is Takahiro no question.

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So anyways, my current gripe is that it seems giving Livernus a pity blowjob once permanently makes your character immediately gobble on that D at every possible opportunity. I would enjoy the option to be able to choose to, yknow, not be a manslut just for using boat services. Or let Cait do it. Livernus is a friendly guy, I'm sure she'd be happy to.
Game has many such problems across it many lines of code.
 

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So anyways, my current gripe is that it seems giving Livernus a pity blowjob once permanently makes your character immediately gobble on that D at every possible opportunity. I would enjoy the option to be able to choose to, yknow, not be a manslut just for using boat services. Or let Cait do it. Livernus is a friendly guy, I'm sure she'd be happy to.
Have you tried dropping your Libido, I am lead to believe that it must 33 or above to trigger the" floppy flute" playing event
 

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It is still punishing players for having high libido.
If Champ's horni and has already demonstrated a taste for this particular mino's dick, automatically fellating him doesn't seem like a particularly severe "punishment".
 

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If Champ's horni and has already demonstrated a taste for this particular mino's dick, automatically fellating him doesn't seem like a particularly severe "punishment".
It still takes control from the player. It reduces RPing aspect. Maybe you just wanted to blow a dude once to see the scene. Or to help a dude out as in gamw reasoning. Does not mean that you are imidietly his bitch at beck and call.
I also dislike that process of justification. You can use that same line of thought to implement and justify many other such cases. Like, for example, if you get knocked up by Evergreen once, does that mean that you are going to do that every time you come near her? Or when buying stuff? Or in reverse, what if you refuse her first time she offers? Does that mean that you are never up to it? No, the game does right by allowing the player to refuse her offer at any point.

See where I am going with this? I would be fine if the whole automatic blowjob scene was result of not only high libido but a dialogue options. Like
"Dude, I love tour dick so much and I can not think better way to pass the time"
"Khaaah, when you put it like that, why not give me a blow whenever I feel lime it"
"You agree? "
[Yes] [No]
And there, we got that sorted out.
But since it is locked behind stuff that the player themselves can not predict and it just being based on assumptions on games part, it does not sit well with me.
 
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Alypia

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It still takes away control away from the player. It takes away RPing aspect away from the player. Maybe you just wanted to blow a dude once to see the scene. Or to help a dude out as in gamw reasoning. Does not mean that you are imidietly his bitch at beck and call.
I also dislike that line of thinking. You can use that same line of thought to implement and justify many other such cases. Like, for example, if you get knocked up by Evergreen once, does that mean that you are going to do that every time you come near her? Or when buying stuff? Or in reverse, what if you refuse her first time she offers? Does that mean that you are never up to it?

See where I am going with this? I would be fine if the whole automatic blowjob scene was result of not only high libido but a dialogue options. But since it is locked behind stuff that the player themselves can not predict and it just being based on assumptions by the part of the game, it does not sit well with me.
I didn't say that it was a good thing. I said that it wasn't a particularly severe punishment.
 

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If Champ's horni and has already demonstrated a taste for this particular mino's dick, automatically fellating him doesn't seem like a particularly severe "punishment".

The way the initial encounter is phrased, it's clearly a "He's really on-edge because the entire place is swarming with imps. Maybe a kind BJ would calm him." not "I have a massive craving for minotaur cock down my throat at all times. If I so much as SEE a minotaur, and my face isn't at crotch level, my day is ruined." situation.

I wanted it to be a one-time thing, because a lot of encounters in this game are case-by-case basis. It would be like agreeing to do Elf sex with Hashat once and from then on without warning Hashat has a chance to show up and instantly and unconsentually rail you on the spot.

Admittedly you don't really NEED to use Livernus's boat at the moment, but considering how annoying the Undermountain enemies can get right now, going the long way might result in several losses depending on the situation.
 

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The way the initial encounter is phrased, it's clearly a "He's really on-edge because the entire place is swarming with imps. Maybe a kind BJ would calm him." not "I have a massive craving for minotaur cock down my throat at all times. If I so much as SEE a minotaur, and my face isn't at crotch level, my day is ruined." situation.

I wanted it to be a one-time thing, because a lot of encounters in this game are case-by-case basis. It would be like agreeing to do Elf sex with Hashat once and from then on without warning Hashat has a chance to show up and instantly and unconsentually rail you on the spot.

Admittedly you don't really NEED to use Livernus's boat at the moment, but considering how annoying the Undermountain enemies can get right now, going the long way might result in several losses depending on the situation.
you might not need the boat, but it is by definitely the fastest way
 
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The only thing that really annoys me about the game is how the combat system incentivizes going all-in on a single strategy as the difficulty of fights increases. The choice to balance endgame fights by giving single enemies multiple actions to compensate for the 3 on 1 nature of those fights actually narrows what viable parties are capable of more than anything else. Defense debuffs are worthless late game, unless every character can benefit from that debuff, and damage debuffs and CC become increasingly valuable as boss damage still scales up alongside actions. Unless you have the Unbreaking ult, there are fights that can you automatically lose despite having two revives in the fight if the boss uses the right sequence of moves and get the right rogue crits (seriously, my most recent playthrough of the Alissa bosfight had me lose first turn because my PC got oneshot twice across her three actions).

The devs have discussed diversifying in this thread, but that's almost never worth it because companions with more diverse kits are just worse at necessary roles than specialists. Atugia is a decent support tank, but since Brint/Brinne and Arona do so much damage to out threaten Guard Stance, she's worse than Witch Cait, who only loses out on group shielding, but makes up for it with group evasion buffs and better heals. Berwyn has it even worse, he's a jack of all trades, but that also means he's never the best pick for anything. Doing health damage? Brint/Brinne and Arona as previously mentioned, Passion Priest and Hexblade Cait are also much more powerful damage dealers and Passion also heals and shields. Resolve? There's a Cait for that, but also Honey Maiden Azzyran, and Quint. Healing? Even Outrider Ryn is more useful as a healer despite also just having Group Heal for healing because Aurora Arrow is a better ult for party support than Spirit Binder, and Ryn can do some AoE damage.

Also, there are enough Cait alt-outfits that she could complete the game on her own, so I'm going to request a Cait only mode, accessed by making a catfolk named Caitriss at character creation.
 

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Also, there are enough Cait alt-outfits that she could complete the game on her own, so I'm going to request a Cait only mode, accessed by making a catfolk named Caitriss at character creation.
Or a Siblings Mode, where instead of Calla it's the random do-gooder that came to help save her that gets yeeted into the portal. So you play as the Zetra sisters trying to show the newly arrived Kassyra what's what.


In general, though, I agree that at the moment both the individual character builds and party compositions are punished heavily for trying to cover multiple bases at once. Plus only a small fraction of bosses and enemy types in the current late game areas is focused on Resolve damage, making the Resolve tanking of Atugia and the Resolve restoration of Quin and Charmer Champ only marginally useful.
 
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wery12345

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I have done 90% of the content with Hexleather Cait and Kami-no-michi Kiyoko, I just am tanky myself. Literally the only fight that gave issue was whisper 2 because "lol fuck you loser 500 crit out the gate 3 time in a row" Hes like Kura but not balanced.
 

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I have done 90% of the content with Hexleather Cait and Kami-no-michi Kiyoko, I just am tanky myself. Literally the only fight that gave issue was whisper 2 because "lol fuck you loser 500 crit out the gate 3 time in a row" Hes like Kura but not balanced.
Well, given that crit damage has been significantly nerfed now, hopefully that issue is better.
 

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It would be like agreeing to do Elf sex with Hashat once and from then on without warning Hashat has a chance to show up and instantly and unconsentually rail you on the spot.
I'm just saying, this sounds like a pretty good deal to my champ...

More related to the actual point with Livernus, it does seem a tad unusual based on how other stuff works that 'relaxing' him once (even if there's a libido check) leads to doing it automatically on subsequent boat rides without a reversal or something. If there was going to be a minotaur cum addiction thing, I'd totally get it though.
 
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If there was going to be a minotaur cum addiction thing, I'd totally get it though.
I dunno if it's meant to the case here and this is a sneaky way of introducing it or the Libido check just has a pretty low threshold but Savin has hinted that addictive cum is gonna be a factor at some point...
This talk about mino cum addiction.. I wonder when the futa mino is implemented that her cum would be addictive too or is that just a man thing?
I'd assume that cum is cum so any lady minos with dicks would be similarly addictive, assuming they get whatever it is that causes the stuff to be addictive in the first place since it isn't naturally that way in CoC2.
 
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wery12345

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Eh to much futa and you will turn away a lot of people, honestly why I dropped TiTs. Like Im fine with futa but there is a such thing as too much.
 
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Eh to much futa and you will turn away a lot of people, honestly why I dropped TiTs. Like Im fine with futa but there is a such thing as too much.
Understandable. This is not, however, a serious fear with this game. Male characters - to say nothing of dickless ladies - outnumber ladies with dicks two to one.

CoC2 gendery/parts count as of 13 September 2021 (patch 0.4.13)
Companions: 3 male, 5 female (no penis), 2 female (penis)
Named NPCs: 47 male (penis or otherwise), 88 female (no penis), 23 female (penis)
Unnamed NPCs and Combat Encounters: 41 male, 45 female (no penis), 12 female (penis)

Notes:
Characters that can change their pronouns or parts mid-game (e.g. Eryka, Liulfr) have been counted under their starting categories. The exceptions are Brint and Brienne, because they are distinct characters (despite being mutually exclusive), and Lyric, who is counted as both male and female.

There is wide variety in the unnamed characters section; some are combat encounters that don't even have a sex scene (like the Taothian Mage) and others are characters like the Kobold Queen with extensive non-combat interactions.

I have omitted named background characters without art (e.g. the frost elves that appear in Etheryn's dates and the Festivus Ball). I have also omitted the Champion's potential children, even when they are named. Kinu, Aya, Asagiri, Kasumi, and Tatsumi, the first five children by Kiyoko, are the only possible named children at this time (4 female, 1 male). Finally, I have omitted silly mode only characters like Syri, Kaede, and Anno.

Female characters with ovipositors and no penises are listed in the "no penis" slots. This includes Drider Queen, Ihzalti, Nyzerrah, Azyrran, Jyrranaz, and the Hornet Workers.

Characters that are obviously different people, e.g. Kohaku and Ambra, have been counted separately.
 

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Futa is serious business and requires moderation to avoid the serious side effects. As nice as it would be, too much futa is harmful to your health and will result in the Surgeon General being disappointed in you.
 

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Futa is serious business and requires moderation to avoid the serious side effects. As nice as it would be, too much futa is harmful to your health and will result in the Surgeon General being disappointed in you.
There is no such thing as too much futa.
 
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