Free Cities

[PeterBlack]

The central test for obscenity in the English law is that an item is taken to be obscene if the entire item "is, if taken as a whole, such as to tend to deprave and corrupt persons who are likely, having regard to all relevant circumstances, to read, see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it".


Thus, in the case of R v Walker (2009), Darryn Walker was acquitted of an offence under the Obscene Publications Act by virtue of the fact that his story "Girls (Scream) Aloud" (murder porn about an all-female pop group) was unlikely to be found by anyone who wasn't actively seeking out such material and was thus unlikely to deprave or corrupt persons likely to read it.

 

[Consciousone]

Um, dude. If you think that these things (Kidnapping, torture, chemical lobotomization, forcible castration, hamstring-severing, forced amputation, drug addling, rape, gang-rape, organ selling slaves etc) are NOT extremely immoral and illegal practices, then you seriously need to step back and re-evaluate your thinking patterns. My argument is not that paedophilia isn't an extremely immoral and illegal practice. It's that the content that makes up 95% of the game is also. I'm hesitant to mention the idea that these actions ARE somehow okay may be born of the fact it's often happening to an of-age woman, and somehow that makes it okay?

I mean, to me it's all fiction. As long as you don't actually go off, kidnap, tie up, and enslave a woman and do all those horrible, horrendous things to them and it's all in your brain space, whatever. I'm not going to claim you're an actual slaver for playing this game. But getting on your moral high-horse because one utterly reprehensible thing is amoral and you need to make a stand, and then producing content for an equally reprehensible thing that actually happens? I mean, yeah, that's dumb. Like a dude making a gang-rape and slavery game and taking a moral stand against paedophilia.

Just to clarify; I think the game is ace. It's a game. A fiction game, which when viewed as fiction by adults who have the brain-chemistry to separate fiction and reality is all good. This one thing just made me raise an eyebrow.

I didn't make myself very clear here: all of those things are of course both illegal and morally reprehensible, but (at least where I live) pedophilia is the only one which will land you with a lengthy jail sentence even if depicted in fiction.

 

[Darkfirephoenix]

And a new version is out

 

[zenaku]

*laugh* I love the comments I've seen in other places regarding this update. "He added hand holding? That sick freak! That's it! I don't think I can support this anymore!" lol!

 

[Naas]

Personally I like the looks of the new version, that said I'll have to see how the changes break stuff again this time.

 

[zenaku]

But Pedophilia is an extremely amoral and illegal practice and fetish, and FCAuthor probably felt he had to take a clear stand on it, which is entirely justified.


If you feel that that was dumb, and that just not mentioning it in a world like Free Cities' would have been the unequivocally smarter decision, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Pardon me while I play devil's advocate here for a moment. 


First, amoral and illegal are both cultural norms. meaning that they are subjective. What is amoral to one person, isn't necessarily amoral to another. For Mormons, porn of any kind is amoral.  Same with legality. Was is illegal in one culture, isn't necessarily illegal in another. In Australia, it is a crime to produce or own porn with women who have small breasts.


Second, pedophilia is something the only came into existence during the past few decades. Before then, people were marrying and having kids as soon as possible. And that includes when they were 'underage'. Course, in some countries, this is still going on.


Finally, digital 'child porn' is a grey area in most countries/states. I know that the creator's point of origin has laws preventing any kind of pedophilia related material from being created or owned. But in the United States, its actually dependant on what state you live in. In some states, if the material does not contain an actual child in it, like a written story or a game using digitally drawn characters, then it isn't illegal. See japan and lolicon.


Oh, and there is a cutoff date if something is pedophilia or not. that being the age of 13. Afterwards, it becomes becomes hebephilia or ephebiphilia.

 

[Naas]

On a lighter note mod updated, nothing new over the last version but I should be back to writing new stuff for it soon enough.

 

[Woider]

On a lighter note mod updated, nothing new over the last version but I should be back to writing new stuff for it soon enough.

Yeah, it's not much of an update, but I like how frequent they are, even if they're small.

 

[MMMm]

So the brothel actually can be incredibly profitable, but you need good slaves who are already beautiful and or have good assets. And don't buy the drug upgrade. I've been making 100,000 a week from throwing GRI slaves in there. You get a very big cash bonus when you throw virgins in the brothel or make them whore. I suspect the "beauty" stat that certain future societies offer can make certain slaves even more valuable for whoring.


So, unskilled, stupid, ugly slaves with weak assets go in the arcade. The good, intelligent slaves go in the brothel. Always make a virgin whore even if you plan to send it to the dairy or the arcade. The bonus cash is sizable.

 

[stuntcock]

Second, pedophilia is something the only came into existence during the past few decades. Before then, people were marrying and having kids as soon as possible.

Video games are cool.  Sexual fantasies are cool.  Video games allowing us to act out sexual fantasies are cool.  Perpetuating a historical myth isn't cool.

 

[Consciousone]

Video games are cool.  Sexual fantasies are cool.  Video games allowing us to act out sexual fantasies are cool.  Perpetuating a historical myth isn't cool.

The text you're linking looks at America only, and briefly mentions post-1600s Europe. Less than a piss in the ocean, as far as human history is concerned.

 

[PentaEye]

The text you're linking looks at America only, and briefly mentions post-1600s Europe. Less than a piss in the ocean, as far as human history is concerned.

Gotta agree on this point. The general statement that Zenaku is trying to make is that society can construct illegality. It's something you learn in first-year sociology, with a prime example being child non-sexual abuse, something constructed during the post-war child population boom with greater access to medical services and new legislation passed. This process is called labelling theory. Child marriage and child sexual abuse—while in no means right—falls under social constructionism and labelling theory because it's not a universally recognized evil, both historically within one society, or globally among cultures. Societies with high levels of child brides include Niger, Chad, Mali, Bangladesh, Guinea, and the Central African Republic, with rates above 60%, according to UNICEF. So that's a clear, current example of not all societies viewing the same act with the same eyes. In Niger, the rate is a staggering 75%. In Mali, marriages as young as nine are not unheard of. So yeah, American-only evidence going back to 1600s is a drop in the ocean, globally, culturally, and historically. Though the statement 'Pedophilia only came into existence in the last few decades', if taken literally, is inaccurate also, painting with a very, very broad brush.

Just to elaborate, religion gives a really good yardstick for this sort of behaviour. For Catholics in the Latin Church, the 1983 Code of Canon Law states the minimum required age for marriage is 16 for boys and 14 for girls. So 14 year old wives were still acceptable under Latin church law. New 2017 canon law has been passed to replace it, but I have no idea if this eliminates this particular aspect or not.


Again, by putting forward that child abuse is socially constructed, I'm not saying it's right. There's ample evidence that such acts cause physical and psychological harm on behalf of the youth, so much that UNICEF took one look at the statistics and decided it was a death sentence. One example is the five times higher death rate for young mothers under the age of 15, and 60% increased child mortality rate. So yeah, not a good thing.


*Adjusts her many sets of glasses*

 

[zenaku]

I don't know about you guys, but I am abusing the heck out of the servent's quarters. Get a new slave. She hates and fears me? Toss her in the servent's quarters. When I need a new slave to train, pop two or three out of there, and they are usually ambivelent by then. Oh! And I tend to be at 0 upkeep!

 

[Naas]

Yeah, it's not much of an update, but I like how frequent they are, even if they're small.

I'm guessing you mean the releases, the frequency is nice if a bit annoying given I have to reapply the mod manually every time and fix my code whenever the new code breaks things.

 

[Woider]

I'm guessing you mean the releases, the frequency is nice if a bit annoying given I have to reapply the mod manually every time and fix my code whenever the new code breaks things.

Well, since I don't use any mods, I don't have that problem.

 

[Naas]

Well, since I don't use any mods, I don't have that problem.

You wouldn't have anyway, generally the few mods out there are compiled for you to grab at your leisure. I just happen to upload my content as backup and so others can grab stuff without hunting for it.

 

[BlueBurn]

You wouldn't have anyway, generally the few mods out there are compiled for you to grab at your leisure. I just happen to upload my content as backup and so others can grab stuff without hunting for it.

I feel like I missed something. Where can mods for this game be found?

 

[Naas]

I feel like I missed something. Where can mods for this game be found?

I post mine in here (the changelog is on the last page), there's a cannibal mod over on FCdev's site in the release comments (sorry I will never include that in my mod) & there's the notlegal mod on the chans. Those are all the ones I know of at present, also there would be one more part to my mod until I have more time but I can't get anyone to look over the code.

On a lighter note mod updated, nothing new over the last version but I should be back to writing new stuff for it soon enough.

 

[Tinman]

I post mine in here (the changelog is on the last page), there's a cannibal mod over on FCdev's site in the release comments (sorry I will never include that in my mod) & there's the notlegal mod on the chans. Those are all the ones I know of at present, also there would be one more part to my mod until I have more time but I can't get anyone to look over the code.

The notlegal mod?  I don't look through the FCdev comments, what's that one?

 

[Woider]

The notlegal mod?  I don't look through the FCdev comments, what's that one?

It's probably the pedo one.

 

[Naas]

The notlegal mod?  I don't look through the FCdev comments, what's that one?

Yeah the pedo one, as for the cannibal one it's a dinner party event where you serve part of one of your slaves as a meal for rep if memory serves. I can upload the copy I grabbed to look at if you want (the guy didn't specify it was a cannibal one so that was an unwanted surprise when I looked at the code).

 

[Woider]

Yeah the pedo one, as for the cannibal one it's a dinner party event where you serve part of one of your slaves as a meal for rep if memory serves. I can upload the copy I grabbed to look at if you want (the guy didn't specify it was a cannibal one so that was an unwanted surprise when I looked at the code).

That seems like an utter waste of a slave, quite frankly.

 

[Consciousone]

Definitely one of the odder kinks out there.

 

[MMMm]

What bugged me most in the cannibal mod was a line about how if the slave you cooked was pregnant at the time, you can make a veal dish out of the fetus.


It's strange how we can be so desensitized to violence, slavery and misery and yet eating people creates such a visceral reaction. Intellectually it shouldn't be an issue. Your character has unimaginable amounts of blood on his or her hands. But cooking and serving people at a dinner party makes it all so much more "real."

 

[Woider]

What bugged me most in the cannibal mod was a line about how if the slave you cooked was pregnant at the time, you can make a veal dish out of the fetus.


It's strange how we can be so desensitized to violence, slavery and misery and yet eating people creates such a visceral reaction. Intellectually it shouldn't be an issue. Your character has unimaginable amounts of blood on his or her hands. But cooking and serving people at a dinner party makes it all so much more "real."

It's much like the question surrounding the pedophillic content. There are just some things we humans are more adverse to, through societal or even instinctual drivers. Perhaps it's that this particular one turns the psychopathy level to 11 in a game that still has room for your PC to not be evil incarnate. As I've probably mentioned before, the best thing about the game is being able to turn it on it's head, creating a somewhat safe haven for slavery compared to other, more cruel and unusual arcologies. It's why I would so like to see things added to "repair" slaves who have gotten seriously mistreated, via regrown limbs, cybernetics or voice-box replacements.

 

[BlueBurn]

It's much like the question surrounding the pedophillic content. There are just some things we humans are more adverse to, through societal or even instinctual drivers. Perhaps it's that this particular one turns the psychopathy level to 11 in a game that still has room for your PC to not be evil incarnate. As I've probably mentioned before, the best thing about the game is being able to turn it on it's head, creating a somewhat safe haven for slavery compared to other, more cruel and unusual arcologies. It's why I would so like to see things added to "repair" slaves who have gotten seriously mistreated, via regrown limbs, cybernetics or voice-box replacements.

Fixing broken slaves would definitely appeal to some people.

 

[Naas]

Fixing broken slaves would definitely appeal to some people.

It's on my to-do list unless FCDev beats me to it.

 

[MMMm]

Maybe a mod could add a bunch of non sexual jobs for slaves and facilities to run them. Like a plant that creates weapons, or a chain of restaurants and convenience stores. It would make sense if the player could also use slaves to produce adult movies.


Something interesting the cannibal mod did was add a "special events" menu. It's a cool idea, to have various "schemes" that you pay money for and which are possibly gated behind reputation. A fun one would be to pay a lot of money to let refugees immigrate into the free cities, but then block all their options for employment so they go into debt and you can enslave them. Or maybe actually be nice to them.


The events in this game are largely out of your control, so it's cool to be able to make things happen on your own.

 

[BlueBurn]

It's on my to-do list unless FCDev beats me to it.

What features does your mod have right now?

 

[Naas]

My mods kicking about in this thread but outdated at the moment, I had some time so I updated it. Nothing new over the old version and I haven't tested it yet to see how FCdev's new code breaks stuff.


For those unaware of what my mods currently consists of here's the changelog:


Former Acrology Owner (unique Owner Origin temporarily removed from slave intro until I find out what is breaking in it (code is here for anyone who wants to look and see if they can spot the break/just wants to look))


Identical Matched Pair - Gives you the chance to recruit identical twins, female only (I will update that but event is reclaimed from HGG)


Casino winnings give a random amount rather than a fixed amount


Paternalist Future Society now has a unique merc naming option


Minor tweaks/additions to slave names, careers and looks


New Pubic Hair style option for a naturally hairless appearance, lab raid slave and slave generation modified to include it as an option

Not even that far back in the thread -shrugs-


I might have also thrown the randomised income onto the masterful whore event but not sure if that's in my personal version or the uploaded mod.


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