Free Cities

[Darkfirephoenix]

Is FC Dev looking for people to write scenes for Free Cities? I might be willing to toss F-PC/F stuff together, because that's the only way I ever play, but I got the impression FC Dev wanted to keep the game entirely his own.

FC Dev is pretty much ok with most things he gets offered (ofc stuff on his blacklist will never get in like underage content), as long as it is good written (bonus points if you also have coded it if it needs coding). He may not write some contents himself, but that is mainly because they ain't his fetish (and he doesn't trust himself to write them as good as his other content) but he has no objections if someone else writes the content for him.

 

[MMMm]

Is FC Dev looking for people to write scenes for Free Cities? I might be willing to toss F-PC/F stuff together, because that's the only way I ever play, but I got the impression FC Dev wanted to keep the game entirely his own.

Yes. Yes. And yes. You can email him. He wants people to write these scenes because he feels he won't be able to do them justice. There's actually several events in the game that were written by other people. If people even go the extra mile of coding an event up in twine and sending it to him, that makes it even easier on him to add it.

 

[Naas]

He's pretty lax at adding scenes to be honest, I've sent him some of mine and he's not added them.

 

[Woider]

Perhaps he didn't like them?

 

[Darkfirephoenix]

There could be multiple reasons why FC Dev doesn't put things in people have sent him: The quality is to low/it isn't in the writing style already present in the game, there are (grammar) errors or FC Dev has the felling it wouldn't fit in the game/world (it is in the near future, so anything that won't be achievable in the time the game plays won't get put in). And ofc no matter how good you have written something it doesn't matter if the content is blacklisted.

 

[Naas]

Imitating his writing style isn't all that hard to be honest, that said some of the stuff I want to add to the game breaks some of the existing code functions due to being more complex than it can handle, plus none of the content in on the blacklist. It's more amusing that he was being talkative via email but I posted once in the /hgg/ thread he fell silent, I have a feeling he thinks I'm involved with the underage mod just because an anon decided to include my code in a version of the mod as I'd posted my pastebin.

 

[Darkfirephoenix]

It's more amusing that he was being talkative via email but I posted once in the /hgg/ thread he fell silent, I have a feeling he thinks I'm involved with the underage mod just because an anon decided to include my code in a version of the mod as I'd posted my pastebin.

Maybe you should tell him that. As far as I have seen there was at least one attempt from someone to post the underage mod on FCs blog site (the post got instantly banned), so it seems to me that he is rather carefull about anyone that may have any connections to that mod.

 

[Naas]

Maybe you should tell him that. As far as I have seen there was at least one attempt from someone to post the underage mod on FCs blog site (the post got instantly banned), so it seems to me that he is rather carefull about anyone that may have any connections to that mod.

I've thought about it, that said my hands aren't entirely clean of it. I poached an event from hgg (which my changelog/version number always credits) that had none of the underage code in it, due to the fact that having another paired slave event that actually gives identical twins appealed to me (not that that's among the submitted code). Personally I've no qualms about maintaining my own mod and I should really see about getting twine/surgarcube 2 installed again but it gave me so many issues I've gotten used to coding in notepad++.


EDIT: Plus I guess my Hairless option strays close to the blacklist due to it's very nature, it was more intended for some races/origins being more inclined to having no body hair down there than anything else.

 

[BlueBurn]

Modding question. If I add new variables will it break old save files when my mod's code tries to access variables that don't exist in the old save file?

 

[Consciousone]

If anyone finds a mod other than the pedophile one, do please tell, yeah?

 

[Woider]

If anyone finds a mod other than the pedophile one, do please tell, yeah?

I still can't believe that was the first thing people wanted to add.

 

[Consciousone]

I'm guessing it was a combination of that and hte fact that it's really simple to add. But yeah, it's upsetting in all kinds of ways.

 

[Naas]

If anyone finds a mod other than the pedophile one, do please tell, yeah?

My mods kicking about in this thread but outdated at the moment, I had some time so I updated it. Nothing new over the old version and I haven't tested it yet to see how FCdev's new code breaks stuff.


For those unaware of what my mods currently consists of here's the changelog:


Former Acrology Owner (unique Owner Origin temporarily removed from slave intro until I find out what is breaking in it (code is here for anyone who wants to look and see if they can spot the break/just wants to look))


Identical Matched Pair - Gives you the chance to recruit identical twins, female only (I will update that but event is reclaimed from HGG)


Casino winnings give a random amount rather than a fixed amount


Paternalist Future Society now has a unique merc naming option


Minor tweaks/additions to slave names, careers and looks


New Pubic Hair style option for a naturally hairless appearance, lab raid slave and slave generation modified to include it as an option


Dropbox

 

[Woider]

I'm guessing it was a combination of that and hte fact that it's really simple to add. But yeah, it's upsetting in all kinds of ways.

It's probably just some sick fuck from one of the chans.

 

[PentaEye]

Regardless of how you feel about underage content, it's real mickey-mouse logic that slavers respect the 18+ rule, yet kidnap, torture, chemically lobotomize, forcibly castrate, hamstring-sever, amputate, drug-addle, rape, gang-rape and otherwise treat slaves like pieces of living garbage. I mean, you can even sell slaves to be broken down for their organs.


EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm not pushing FOR underage content. I just think it's dumb that the in-game slavers care about that particular boundary at all.

 

[Consciousone]

Dumb is the wrong word - saying it breaks verisimilitude is a much better way to express it. And it's absolutely correct. It's also absolutely necessary.

 

[PentaEye]

Dumb is the wrong word - saying it breaks verisimilitude is a much better way to express it. And it's absolutely correct. It's also absolutely necessary.

No, dumb was the word I was going for. I'm not dancing on eggshells using 'verisimilitude' on a game about quad-amputating women and turning them into drug-addled rape-nuggets.

There were other approaches to take that break immersion far less without actually including said content, and keeping it banned. Like, say, addressing said barrier as an out of game thing and then not bothering to hang a lantern in game, as any attempt to give an in-game justification for why they exercise this particular restraint is immediately nonsensical.

E.g. There are no reasons that people don't do scat in the TiTs universe. There is simply no content for it because it's on the banned list. Fenoxo didn't write an in-game reason that people don't poop. Because that would break verisimilitude. (I mean, maybe they don't poop. Who knows?)

 

[Consciousone]

But Pedophilia is an extremely amoral and illegal practice and fetish, and FCAuthor probably felt he had to take a clear stand on it, which is entirely justified.


If you feel that that was dumb, and that just not mentioning it in a world like Free Cities' would have been the unequivocally smarter decision, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[PentaEye]

But Pedophilia is an extremely amoral and illegal practice and fetish, and FCAuthor probably felt he had to take a clear stand on it, which is entirely justified.


If you feel that that was dumb, and that just not mentioning it in a world like Free Cities' would have been the unequivocally smarter decision, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Um, dude. If you think that these things (Kidnapping, torture, chemical lobotomization, forcible castration, hamstring-severing, forced amputation, drug addling, rape, gang-rape, organ selling slaves etc) are NOT extremely immoral and illegal practices, then you seriously need to step back and re-evaluate your thinking patterns. My argument is not that paedophilia isn't an extremely immoral and illegal practice. It's that the content that makes up 95% of the game is also. I'm hesitant to mention the idea that these actions ARE somehow okay may be born of the fact it's often happening to an of-age woman, and somehow that makes it okay?

I mean, to me it's all fiction. As long as you don't actually go off, kidnap, tie up, and enslave a woman and do all those horrible, horrendous things to them and it's all in your brain space, whatever. I'm not going to claim you're an actual slaver for playing this game. But getting on your moral high-horse because one utterly reprehensible thing is amoral and you need to make a stand, and then producing content for an equally reprehensible thing that actually happens? I mean, yeah, that's dumb. Like a dude making a gang-rape and slavery game and taking a moral stand against paedophilia.

Just to clarify; I think the game is ace. It's a game. A fiction game, which when viewed as fiction by adults who have the brain-chemistry to separate fiction and reality is all good. This one thing just made me raise an eyebrow.

 

[Naas]

FCDev is UK based and complying with UK law regarding Loli and Underage content, it's that simple. The same also applies to myself.

 

[PentaEye]

FCDev is UK based and complying with UK law regarding Loli and Underage content, it's that simple. The same also applies to myself.

See my initial post RE: other approaches without including or supporting said content.

 

[Naas]

Hmm, don't think this ever actually made it onto the forum but I'm not exacting washing my hands as hard as FCDev, I agree that his stonewalling and refusal to even explain in in-game is annoying. That said I plan to add support for underage slaves eventually, just with banned sexual content until they turn 18 and the same goes for player incest (although that won't be age gated). Not something I'm against personally, just something I'll be complying with due to FCDev's wishes.


That said that addition to my mod is somewhat far of as I need to understand the coding a lot better and I'll probably need to write a new variable or two, which is beyond me at the moment.

 

[BlueBurn]

Is incest content also outlawed in erotic writing in the UK? That seems dumb.


Speaking of which, are you guys sure that the laws you're worried about even apply to erotic writing? There are no images.


Also, sidenote. The dev has no obligation to explain himself or accept peoples' suggestions. It's his game which he's making mostly for himself. He's being really cool about sharing it and taking things that match his vision for the game, but even if he wasn't it's his project and he has every right to do whatever he wants with it.

 

[Naas]

-shrugs- To be honest I've not looked into the exact nature ofthe law too much and just stay away from it as best I can, mostly because of one of the sectors I work in. Morally I have no problems drawing the line between fiction and reality in that sense,I mean we've all been horny teenagers at one point and as long as we aren't pushing age difference then it's not an issue really. It's just harkening back to our youth, I should really bother to read the laws in depth though but for now I've mostly gone by FCDev's stuff. It'd be one heck of an odd conversation taking legal advice to determining and getting copies of law documentation just for mod content.

 

[BlueBurn]

To be clear, are there any laws against incest porn at all?

 

[Naas]

To be clear, are there any laws against incest porn at all?

Yeah, but mostly on how closely you can be related and legally have a relationship. Which is basically not that closely, most of the laws pertain to images though and writing is more a grey area (as is online content) as it technically doesn't under go a submission and review process. I know that the direct relations we have in the game at present is technically illegal here if depicted visually but finding out how it applies to text is somewhat harder.


EDIT: Actually upon reading some of the available (and easy to find stuff) legal content most of the laws are geared toward video, so it a lot harder to find hard laws on the restricted content for fiction. Generally it falls under the category of Public Good, so a novel that gives some details on a 13 year old bride in a historical context would probably get a hand wave and certain restrictions, whereas a novel featuring a modern child bride would probably be outright illegal unless very carefully handled and set in country were such a practice isn't phased out.


Our laws are weird and pretty confusing to be honest.

 

[BlueBurn]

Not that it really matters since FCAuthor is very clear and rigid about the subject but I'm curious if the laws restrict what can be published and/or sold, or if possession of certain erotic writings would be a crime.

 

[Naas]

In that case you'll want to look or start here probably.

 

[BlueBurn]

Welp, just a little skimming reveals that FC already treads a thin line... The following is from Possession of Extreme Pornographic Images.


"Sections 63 to 67 of the Act make it an offence to possess pornographic images that depict acts which threaten a person's life; acts which result in or are likely to result in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals; bestiality; or necrophilia. They also provide for the exclusion of classified films etc. and set out defences and the penalties for the offence."


I can't find anything about written text, and it's the same with the CP laws. But I can understand that it would be more risky to produce erotic written content featuring children because people actually care about it.

 

[Naas]

Yeah hence grey areas, the older laws didn't really consider those fetishes when they were written back when books were the primary form of content. Now as the popular medium is video all the laws are tailored to that, leaving fiction to get an "it should apply I guess" and newer fetishes (or at least ones that have finally started to be more than whispered secrets) are covered in this medium without people bothering to clarify the context for fiction. Again though it's subjective, as if you set something in the right era it makes perfect sense to morally include it although the exact boundary line depends on the person viewing the content.