May I ask what your plan is for avoiding hornet pregnancy?All I know is that I wouldn't want to get pregnant and bring new life in such kind world. If I somehow found myself in Savarra, I'd so purchase a brown leaf pouch and consume it as my first action
Your gripes with CoC II
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Wait I'm sorry I have to step back here a moment. Do you think anything larger than D cups is hyper? Cause that is a very warped definition of hyper.
If I remember correctly Jaelyn and Daliza just had a crush and didn't act on it until you literally drag them together in the same room to deal with it, so I wouldn't call them a established couple.
I just decide not to do that choice, though I would like to have an option asking if you wanted it removed, that way it won't sit on Daliza's menu forever.
This, all this, I also feel like there should be a few wholesome scenes and not just sex with her, or at least wholesome sex, she seems just as corrupted as before and we are doing nothing to change that, at this rate she may just lose her soul while fucking her in the frosthound while being a little bit careless.
While there are a lot of things within this world/setting which are dark, you're kind of missing the whole "grim" part of grimdark. A grimdark world is hopeless. There may be individual heroes in Warhammer, but all they can really do is kill things and perpetuate the space-fascists which happen to be the least bad because at least they aren't trying to wipe out humanity. Everything is doomed to a terrible fate, and has been from the start, it just varies on if that fate is death, insanity, enslavement, or a slightly less bad dystopia.
If CoC2 was grimdark, the wraiths would have won the Godswar, or the Gods would be doing a lot worse than they already are. They're non-interventionists because they want people to be self-reliant, so that the mortals can cultivate power and bring down great foes without needing them, and will only directly fight if they determine that people really can not handle things on their own.
While you, the hero of this story, can't fix everything on your own, you can still make things better, particularly with help. Unless you choose some bad end, the story will most likely end with a happily ever after, where your actions matter and impact the social and economic climates of the regions this story takes place in, because you're still the Champion, even if you're not a god. The world is dark, sure, but it's farm from grim. It's far from hopeless.
OKAY, I've discovered something rather interesting after reexamining the threesome they have when they sneak off.
I have a post in this thread currently auto-hidden due to me editing it too many times right after posting it (darn my anxiety of not wanting to sound hostile), and in it, I went through Azy and Lia's relationship basically scene by scene. I guess whenever that gets moderator approved you could skim through that to really get my feelings, but I now see a pattern that is related to this. And my feelings on it are even more concrete than before, too. You are totally an outsider to Azy and Lia's relationship once they get together, and you have no romantic interactions with Azy to match the clear affection they have for each other. It feels...crappy.
And after feeling similarly annoyed with Daliza and Jae's stuff, I decided to do a much more brief refresh on that, too. And immediately I can see they're written by the same writer, SKoW. I think maybe...being an outsider to a couple might just be their thing. I'm not shaming, but at this point it's 0 for 2 on the "rewarding for and inclusive of the player" multipartner relationship thing.
To make it clear here, even taking into account the info someone mentioned that they just crushed on each other before but never had a sexual relationship until now, you are immediately made to feel very unspecial once they begin to seek one another out. From moment one of you catching them after they sneak off on their own, Jae has become Daliza's whole world. It even says, quite clearly, that they are intentionally excluding you before you reveal yourself. Daliza is so thirsty for Jae that she's willing to ride her flaccid dick to no effect.
I, frankly, just don't get why these relationships so thoroughly exclude the player from the heavy parts of the romance. Maybe because it just isn't my kink, but it makes it all frustrating and unsatisfying, but at least in this case you can avoid it by not bring Daliza to Jae, unlike with Azy, where just recruiting her forces the situation on you.
I do something similar with Azzy to what I do with Daliza, after you complete the hive dungeon Liaden stays waiting outside of the frosthound for you to interact with her and then go meet Sanders together, I just ignore her and leave her in that spot since she doesn't ask you anything unless you interact with her first, and since that needs to happen first for Azzy to approach the subject of Liaden it never happens in my playtroughs.
All I know is that I wouldn't want to get pregnant and bring new life in such kind world. If I somehow found myself in Savarra, I'd so purchase a brown leaf pouch and consume it as my first action
Sounds like what I'm doing in this world, so I guess reality is grimdark. Then again, not having to deal with kids is a huge time and money saver, so, not that bad actually? Ow my brain. It has hurt itself in its confusion
Sounds like the author has a bit (or a lot) of an Nice Time for Roo fetish. Not something I can understand, but thanks for the warning, I'll refrain from reintroducing Jae and Daliza. I mean, yeah, for the purpose of blue elf pussy going crazy for me I also have Elthara, but two is better than one (says the guy with a double dicked character)
Hmmm... Daliza/Elthara threesome...
That's something I find weird about it as well. I mention it a bit in my big invisible post breaking down Lia and Azy's relationship.
It's not really fetishized heavily or at all--it's not like having Brint stud for you or something like that. You just become an afterthought to the two once they're together, and the same is true for Dal and Jae. Your involvement is either dismissive/straight up immature and dickish anger, or you're awkwardly pushing yourself into a situation where you're not wanted or needed, and the writing makes that quite clear.
If it were studding, or voyeurism, or humiliation, it'd be fine. That's fetish content, clear-cut and plain as day. You know what to get from that and you even have to choose to be exposed to it.
What we get from those two couples? It's not clear-cut and it's not truly an option. It's just...awkward. And a little tone-deaf.
what if jaelyn is a demon at the wayfort? how does it change things between them?
I'm glad you asked because I hadn't even considered it at first.
Going through it now though, it's clear from the beginning that it's just about the two of them. Jae calls you a chaperone, and talks about how she's aware that Daliza's obsessed with her. The champ just kinda dismissively accepts things and shoves the two together. Once the two are together there's some brief emotions touching on Daliza's thoughts about her demonic status, but it doesn't last long before it develops into the same situation.
The second time you bring them together, Jaelyn straight up says she's continued to bone Daliza on her own since then. Apparently not having access to her dick really doesn't impede her in any meaningful way... Which makes me wonder how she's even really a slave if she does whatever she wants anyway.
So yeah, I guess there aren't any particularly big differences. The two still kinda shove you aside for one another, though admittedly it's at least a little less in-your-face about it. Jaelyn does a better job of trying to include you, though it does seem only because you remove her ring so she can fuck Daliza, which is what she seems to actually care about and not as much that you're involved. Daliza just does whatever Jae tells her to, so her focus doesn't change much in this path. Still Jaelyn-brained.
At the very least this is the impression I get from it all. YMMV.
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i think daliza is still pretty into you.
she even talks about you giving her children one day.
and jaelyn can be rather sweet at times.
she even talks about you giving her children one day.
and jaelyn can be rather sweet at times.
Yes, she is. Her solo content is great.
My complaints are purely about when they're together. The tone, dialogue, and implicated feelings during the threesomes are quite different, hence my brief little critical analysis. It's not a threesome so much as them being quite into each other emotionally and you just kind of...being there, mostly.
It depends on what sort of thing you mean by 'watered down' but a lot of whatever you have in mind probably is because a great deal of content written for TiTS involves writers not involved in CoC2 (or at least not nearly as much) and vice-versa.
Maybe its just me but I feel like 90% of the light armor in the game is skimpy/feminine in nature and it bugs me. Give me a masculine version of the witch outfit you get from viviane or the ninja outfit you get from the kitsune! I feel shoehorned into certain armor choices due to some scene descriptions of what my champion is wearing.
I agree, I always end up wearing the lamellar armour from Kohaku and never taking it off since I don't like the description of the other light armours.
It's all fun and games until the joke is on you and you meet a hornet who is into that shit. (Potentially literally.)
Just sayin'.
Well I just used them as example of kind of established npc couple bc seems like from reading their history and interaction they'll get together regardless after game (not in-game w/o pc's decision ofc). Like with how much they're into each other it seems like it will be like Azzy informing pc that she'll be getting into relationship with Lia. Bc I'm sure Jaelyn will get out of the dick ring soon or later especially if maid route when she gets herself together not being horny 24/7.
I also thought them getting together made more sense and natural than how Lia/Azzy got into relationship.
Yeah I felt disappointed in both jaelyn and daliza threesome & daliza solo sex scenes with vag only champs. Guess it was intended for dicked champs bc i couldnt get into the vag-only champs for daliza either.
But that's how I feel with most female characters in this game. They say they're into women but looking at their sex scenes especially compared to dicked pc scenes its like: "yeah I'm into women; women with BIG, FAT DICK(S)!" Heck I'm into dicks too but would be nice if they show same enthusiasm toward vagina (which authors like Alypia does rlly good job).
Honestly bc of that I was never into either of them so I don't really care about them getting together as Azzy/Lia? Kind of hypocritical of me but idk. Also Azzy/Lia threesome did feel much more involved than the Jaelyn/Daliza (but then again there's only 1 threesome scene for former and as for latter one if the scene is basically like a Voyeur scene with lack of pc involvement so I only count it as 1 threesome for vag-champ players).
Well I don't know exactly know what Nice Time for Roo is but I can guess from clues in forum. It's definitely not that but it felt like pc is basically a Voyeur or doesn't really seem involved in sex scene at all especially so if you don't have a dick (at least for maid Jaelyn).
I think Skow is just into seeing hot characters getting into it rather than focusing on pc getting into woth another character. And u know some ppl are into hot ppl getting it together and seeing them coupled rather than having their characters into it.
Which is fine but I'm not into voyeur or being bystander/simple audience especially in a game where you can self-insert and make ur own oc into the game like this. If it was a game with predetermined set of characters like a lot of porn games (and like Kinu's storyline in a way) I wouldn't care.
Yeah I found their relationship cute but it does feel very much like pc is just an outsider. But as I said I didn't really care that much for Daliza or Jaelyn so ...
I guess both of them are more for ppl into taking passive role in the threesome or having those main couple the focus of the polyamory rather than pc. Which is fine but I personally enjoy it when pc takes an active role both in&out of bed/fucking.
Not every threesome or relationship has to focus on pc but I like it when there's like an equal or similar amount of attention and pleasure given to pc regardless of whether pc plays a supporting (less focus) or dominant role (main focus). Like a good example of that I really enjoyed was Evelyn threesome where Evelyn is the main focus and PC is supporting role but pc gets a good amount of attention and pleasure as any other members in that sex scene.
Anyway....srry for long blarb of post and think I hit the complaint quota so imma hit the breaks on that for a while. Excited for the valkyrie quest so I can be a real sun mommy for dearest ryn (especially for my bimbo elf)!
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It's so fucking annoying to have to unequip the corrupted dawnsword every time I want to use the waystone in the sun palace. Why couldn't I just go and ask her If I want it purified so I don't have to leave it in storage to go there and then pick it up again when I leave. I mean seriously does it have to be the moment I set foot in the place?
I think I could accept their relationship priority more if it were properly portrayed that the player is enjoying being on the outside part of it. Or if it were properly shown that your character enjoys watching Jael bone Daliza. But there's this...strange sort of neglect to the player's part in most scenes, like it was written to be Jael and Daliza, and then the writer remembered last minute that there's a player character that has to be involved. A great example of this is in the wayfort path, when you pick the spitroast option.
Once the actual sexy times start, the entire frontload of it (~3 paragraphs) is almost entirely about Daliza and Jael get into it and getting their clothes off with each other. You get half a single sentence denoted to your part in that process, which is that you just throw your gear onto the floor on your own while Jael sensually and lustfully removes Daliza's and her own. Only after those three paragraphs end does your character get involved, but it doesn't really say enough to make you feel like a worthwhile part of things. It's noncommittal and vague.
And that also colors the rest of the scene too, really. The champion is an afterthought in these scenes. The way your champion feels is never really addressed properly beyond vague physical pleasure and you yourself don't really do anything that affects Daliza in noticeable ways either. Virtually every line is about Jaelyn doing something to make Daliza feel better and better, but it doesn't directly translate to you getting off on seeing it--not like cucking or something. It's just a statement of fact. It goes 3 and half sentences about Jaelyn demolishing Daliza, and that last half sentence is about how it makes her suck you off better.
Hopefully this will really put it into perspective for those still on the fence about whether you really are just sort of an extra in their threesome: You can't even fuck Daliza in these threesomes. Doesn't matter which route you take, wayfort or frosthound. No joke. You can get or give oral, or take Jaelyn, but you cannot fuck Daliza yourself.
And again, it's not portrayed as a studding or cucking thing, your character doesn't get clearcut enjoyment from watching this stuff the way they do from, say, watching Brint fuck others. If anything, various points of dialogue make your character seem somewhat annoyed or dismissive of the whole thing, but also not hard enough to veer into fetish territory, like...Nice Time for Roo-type stuff.
These threesomes are just...nothing. They seem afraid to commit to any theme, which results in your character just sort of being there.
EDIT: Ohhh. Nice time for roo is a forum filter for the thing that I actually wrote. Huh. I figured it out by context when it was mentioned before but that's a strange filter to have.
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Yes, "having to keep the corruption of her holy relic secret from the goddess" is the consequence of "corrupting the goddess's holy relic".
I still feel like there should be a compromise between "lore" and "mechanical annoyance on players part.". Let us hide it before going to her, or maybe make in lore reason that she can not turn it back into a holy relic. But she still lets us use it because we earned it and she trusts us. It is not like she objects to the fact that we are fucking Kas or making the wayfort out personal corrupt hole.
For, and lets be real, there is
For, and lets be real, there is
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