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Ireyon

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1) Emily is a woman, "she", come on it's a single name.
2) My point was clearly that that was an incredibly misogynist position and ridiculous, not to mention clearly untrue. Unless you've spent your entire life only seeing about 5 people, you will have met a stupid man.
My screenname is also taken from a female character and I assure you I'm a guy. Because, you know, the majority of people playing a porn game are inevitably guys. If my assumption is wrong I'm sure Emily doesn't need you to white-knight for her.

And no Karen, someone else never having met a stupid guy isn't somehow misogynist. Wind your neck back in and realize that you don't get to dictate other people's experiences. You are not life's manager.
 

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I have two currently. Evelyn won't give me a collar and I would like one.

Annnnnd because I just remembered it, Rina gave my champ and Brienne matching buttplugs but I don't get to keep them ='(

Gimme. Please
 

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Man, while I enjoy Rina lezdom/pussydom content, it is something that kind of muffles me in same wain as Azzy/Brienne scenes. Which is why I am thankful that Wsan wrote the other route where female/cboy get to Dom.

OK, I know that this my sound kind of strange, and maybe problematic, but I would kind of like that if the player has started one of 2 pussy paths with Rina, and have finished her initial three scenes, they later get locked out of the rest of the content if they grow a dick. Same for other way around.
For I do fancy the idea of getting a girl so pussy-whipped that she just loose interest in sausages.
And, on a minor meta level, I find it really strange how you can make Rina a femdom queen that suddenly breaks down into a subby mess the minute you grow a schlong. I know that simple answer is do not grow one, but still feels weird.

Also, -- ignore this if it got fixed, but I would like if the champions magic strap was not treated as a real dick. Thanks.
 

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Man, while I enjoy Rina lezdom/pussydom content, it is something that kind of muffles me in same wain as Azzy/Brienne scenes. Which is why I am thankful that Wsan wrote the other route where female/cboy get to Dom.

OK, I know that this my sound kind of strange, and maybe problematic, but I would kind of like that if the player has started one of 2 pussy paths with Rina, and have finished her initial three scenes, they later get locked out of the rest of the content if they grow a dick. Same for other way around.
For I do fancy the idea of getting a girl so pussy-whipped that she just loose interest in sausages.
And, on a minor meta level, I find it really strange how you can make Rina a femdom queen that suddenly breaks down into a subby mess the minute you grow a schlong. I know that simple answer is do not grow one, but still feels weird.

Also, -- ignore this if it got fixed, but I would like if the champions magic strap was not treated as a real dick. Thanks.
That last bit isn't going to change, it's treated like that for a reason.
 
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It's a lot fucking easier to code it that way, it's up to the writer for having it being turned on to get acknowledged.
 

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There is a parser for [pc.hasarealdick] that aknowledges if PC has a real dick or not. Maybe it was invented before Brihause got fully implemented and written , but still there are ways. Not sure how complicated it would be, but I still find it kind of a bummer if we could not use a strap-on on Rina without it being referred to as a real dick.
 

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The only prolific writer that actually uses that parser is aly, and she makes ghostlight peen scenes specifically different from real cawk scenes.
 
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And, on a minor meta level, I find it really strange how you can make Rina a femdom queen that suddenly breaks down into a subby mess the minute you grow a schlong. I know that simple answer is do not grow one, but still feels weird.

It's due to the hypnotic properties of long, dangling objects.
 

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Himbo = big, strong, good, nice, handsome, not the brightest dude.

Bimboi = bimbo traits but on a guy. Curvy, ditzy, slutty, etc. Things not connoted by himbo as a phrase. In the same way herbo was coined as the female version of a himbo, a woman who is big, strong, good, nice, etc.
YEP YEP! You got it right.
While there are not many fictional guys I can point to, my prefered kind of bimboi would be someone that is buff and stacked but still acts like the most precious little bean!
Something like this.
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Funny thing is, Arona, ignoring her more unsavory orcish tendencies, is perfect example of Herbo. Tall, buff, pretty, full of heart but admittedly little dim in her noggin. Especially with her newer expansions really emphasizing her caring side.
 
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It'd be nice if we had an option with Azy that encouraged her to go for it with Liaden, but meta-wise still removes the events for the player, at least pending the possible future edits to her and/or Liaden.

The interaction now feels like some really heavy guilting from Azy considering I just don't want to watch someone I love go clearly love someone else more than me. Sharing is caring, getting pseudo-cucked is...not my preference. lol
 

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Honestly, if you play as male champ, just st say that you are not going to help her proceed with that relationship.

Since Linden is poorly defined character that gets inserted into Azys relationship without much consideration for how much it makes sense and how it feels for majority of the playerbase.

I personally just kick then into honey or never recruit her, honestly. I am just not into them. Azy to me has no distinguishing personality and her Brienne scenes feel icky to me. And Liaden suffers even more from it, for her entire personality can basically be boiled down to "I am nice and I am Azys girlfriend".
 

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I don't really have an issue with Liaden or Azzy's characterization aside from how inconsistent it can feel sometimes. You're given 2 options to recruit Azzy, either by fucking her or by repeatedly challenging her to duels but in her recruitment dialogue with her mother, your champ says "Yeah we're probably gonna fuck a lot," whether you wanna fuck her or not so it feels like we as players don't really get a choice in how the relationship is defined. I'd be fine with that if that was the only issue cuz, yknow, porn game- but then they introduce Lia and the relationship between the champ and Azzy becomes an afterthought, as though the champ never actually mattered much to Azzy. It made me lose interest in a character I used to adore, but it's not a big deal if I'm given an option to be petty and friendzone the bug before she does it to us.

There's an Azzy/Lia relationship tune up in the works but the info shared has been pretty vague on how much will be changed or addressed in the update. That being said, I'm glad there's work being put into it, even if the final product might be something I'm still not into- after all, there's still plenty of content that's up my alley in this game that I can go spend time on instead. Like Cait.

Fuckin love Cait.

It's probably important to note that whatever the changes end up being, they won't please everyone, so don't be toxic to the author if they don't meet your specific expectations.
 

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To be completely honest, at this point I only really felt Cait and Brint/Brienne as "true" companions, the others are nice to have around, but after their respective arcs, as expansive as they can be, they seem to become... well, maybe "collectibles" ?

Etheryn comes closest, but after the winter city events it feels like she belongs there more than in the party, and I suspect that will only compound once we've dealt with her sister.

Same with Kiyoko, but with the added burden of her not really seeming interested in the other companions.

Atugia, Quint, Arona, Azyrran and Agnimitra feel more like "bonus content" in that regard.

Sometimes I think it'd be nice if we could have Cait and Brint/Brienne as permanent group members with the guest slot filled with whomever is most relevant to the current story :D

Oh well.
 
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I don't really have an issue with Liaden or Azzy's characterization aside from how inconsistent it can feel sometimes. You're given 2 options to recruit Azzy, either by fucking her or by repeatedly challenging her to duels but in her recruitment dialogue with her mother, your champ says "Yeah we're probably gonna fuck a lot," whether you wanna fuck her or not so it feels like we as players don't really get a choice in how the relationship is defined. I'd be fine with that if that was the only issue cuz, yknow, porn game- but then they introduce Lia and the relationship between the champ and Azzy becomes an afterthought, as though the champ never actually mattered much to Azzy. It made me lose interest in a character I used to adore, but it's not a big deal if I'm given an option to be petty and friendzone the bug before she does it to us.
Yeah, there are to many assumptions that Azy and the hive make in their dialogue about the champ as of now. Which I would be fine with if I was into Azy to begin with but she never hit off with me. And then her sleeping with Brienne happened and I just felt "yeah, off with her."
There's an Azzy/Lia relationship tune up in the works but the info shared has been pretty vague on how much will be changed or addressed in the update. That being said, I'm glad there's work being put into it, even if the final product might be something I'm still not into- after all, there's still plenty of content that's up my alley in this game that I can go spend time on instead. Like Cait.
I do not think it needs much of an rework. Just have scenes showing off that she cares for the champ. Like, honestly, have a dialogue in dawns quest where she also falls over head for you like she does for liaden or have one of event where she gifts you honey or something. Why are one off events including her about her either screwing Brienne (once again, ewww) or Liaden. Great, she fucks others. What about the player?
It's probably important to note that whatever the changes end up being, they won't please everyone, so don't be toxic to the author if they don't meet your specific expectations.
I agree on that. Be civil.
To be completely honest, at this point I only really felt Cait and Brint/Brienne as "true" companions, the others are nice to have around, but after their respective arcs, as expansive as they can be, they seem to become... well, maybe "collectibles" ?

Etheryn comes closest, but after the winter city events it feels like she belongs there more than in the party, and I suspect that will only compound once we've dealt with her sister.

Same with Kiyoko, but with the added burden of her not really seeming interested in the other companions.

Atugia, Quint, Arona, Azyrran and Agnimitra feel more like "bonus content" in that regard.

Sometimes I think it'd be nice if we could have Cait and Brint/Brienne as permanent group members with the guest slot filled with whomever is most relevant to the current story :D

Oh well.
I will argue that Cait, Quinm Arona and Etheryn are only ones that feel like they belong in the party.
Quintimus wants to pay cult back in kind. Now, I am not sure what his character arc is (still throwing myself against the wall to figure that one out), there is hopefully something coocking there.
Cait wants to save her sister and pay cult back in kind. Her character arc is tied around her religion, and coming to terms with it. Or her becoming a priestess with dick obsession.
Etheryns is about gaining confidence in stopping her sister from ruining things further. Which would latter lead to her gaining currige to propose to the champ if they feel so inclined. What makes her so special it that the champion can, and In my case will, ruin it to make her more dependant on them. Which in turn does not break the cycle of abuse.
And Arona, while she herself did not suffer under Cults hands, is all about becoming a worthy enough of stepping on her throne by indulging in cultures that are seperate from her tribe. And hopefully becoming a better person along the waz.

Brint became our companion for the hell of it. And Brienne only has "I love the champ, so I am afraid to lose them" tagged as an incentive on his prior one. There are no character arcs or progressions to be found there. Which, ey, makes them easy to like if you are into minoguys/minogirls, but not because they are that compelling themselves.
 

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Same with Kiyoko, but with the added burden of her not really seeming interested in the other companions.

Atugia, Quint, Arona, Azyrran and Agnimitra feel more like "bonus content" in that regard.

Sometimes I think it'd be nice if we could have Cait and Brint/Brienne as permanent group members with the guest slot filled with whomever is most relevant to the current story :D

Oh well.
I think it's one of the drawbacks of them being the characters you're likely to recruit first. Brint and Cait are hard-scripted to be recruited while everyone else is optional (Except Atugia in certain circumstances. Her case is weird).

Etheryn is decent in my opinion, though the fact that her character development is so closely tied to the main story means she only gets stuff when the story continues and that pace is pretty much glacial.

Quint is also an early recruit but his creator Bubblelord works at many different projects simultaneously, meaning he was Berwyn-tier neglected for quite a while. At least there are attempts to remedy that now.

Arona I can't really talk about because I beat her brother and then never touch her again. The conversation about her niece was nice though.

Azyrran... I don't recruit her. At all. I'm happy to have her walk off into the sunset with Liaden, thanks. I never even noticed she could be recruited the first few times after she was put in, though I do like her "I'm devoted to my family" aspect.

Agnimitria is probably the last companion you can recruit. She has an interesting design but her decision to remain holed up in the middle of nowhere leads directly into the "out of sight, out of mind" problem I have. It also means she doesn't really interact with anyone else... It took a while for me to remember that the waystone is now useable to change the party because I'm used to do it in the Frosthound. She's also new enough that she doesn't have much content yet.

On the upside the flaming chicken does have a very good kit, probably because the game is far enough along in development that people now understand how to build useful characters (again, poor Berwyn).

Brint and Cait are my favorites. Cait because she's the most well-rounded (I mean her character) and Brint because I really like his personality (and also because I avoid Brienne like the plague since they're mutually exclusive). If only Brint's tank set didn't require someone else to help apply frigid... he has very low agaility too so his own attempts to apply it often miss and/or run out before his next turn. Brienne's pyromancer set is much better at doing what it's supposed to do (in this case: do damage). Cait has a bajillion sets and can do whatever (aside from tanking).

Kiyoko has just as full a wardrobe as Cait. Problem is I don't care to have a waifu and her character is very static (understandable from a story perspective but still not fun). Kinu is a joy but a) not a companion and b) requires Kiyoko as a prerequisite.
 

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I think it's one of the drawbacks of them being the characters you're likely to recruit first. Brint and Cait are hard-scripted to be recruited while everyone else is optional (Except Atugia in certain circumstances. Her case is weird).
Ryn is too, mostly because she's found on an unavoidable tile on the critical path (similar to Brint) and the later dungeon needs her.
Agnimitria is probably the last companion you can recruit. She has an interesting design but her decision to remain holed up in the middle of nowhere leads directly into the "out of sight, out of mind" problem I have. It also means she doesn't really interact with anyone else... It took a while for me to remember that the waystone is now useable to change the party because I'm used to do it in the Frosthound. She's also new enough that she doesn't have much content yet.
Viviane was added recently. I've even tried recruiting her. The path to recruiting her is pretty non-critical, and really hard to miss if it weren't for the recruitment quest starting the moment you acquire a Succubus Milk.
 

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I also really enjoy Azzy and Lia's relationship! I'm glad that there are characters that are only interested in female PC since there are a lot more characters that are only interested in men vs only interested in women in these types of games and TiTs (and I'm quite sure male pc is also required to have a dick which limits it even more).

But I also do agree with ppl saying it does feel like pc is third-wheeling and like an accessory/outsider to the "main couple." Now I don't think every companion should be monogamous or champ-sexual; that'll be boring and it'll feel like a harem collector simulator. But the fact that Azzy is a companion, not just a common NPC is a problem I have. I feel like a companion, who pc will spend a lot of time, fighting alongside while facing a life-or-death situation sometimes, and where PC contributes to a large part of their character story (like saving them), should show more favor/love toward PC. Brint and Cait as ppl mentioned may be the most sexually active characters but they also do a good job of showing how special PC is to them. While Azzy does a MUCH better job of showing that than say, Quin, I feel like it would have worked better if Azzy was just another npc and did something like Jael'yn & Daliza and Aurera & Claire situation.

I also thought their romance was too abrupt and went too quickly but then again there are plenty of characters in this game who falls in love with PC way too quickly (like falling in love after one fuck).

But I really am glad that the writers didn't get pressured into changing Lia's sexual preference just bc lot of ppl were fed up with it and I'm really looking forward to their expansion. Because despite my criticism, I do enjoy seeing them flirt and I like Liaden's story.
 

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So, while I agree with a lot of your assesment, I do take issue with your oppening statement.
We only have Garret, Jin Jin and Liaden -- a straight and a gay guy, and a lesbian -- who are gender locked. Now, TiTS is the other story but this is CoC2 thread so I will leave it to the side.

I feel like "penis obsessed/focused" would be more apt way for you to put it. Although, even then, only 3 female NPCs strictly lock you out of their content if you do not have a dick -- Kiyoko, Meme Girl and Matiha if you keep her with Berwyn.
 
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Only in the direct sense, the darkest part is probably the setting itself if you take a moment to look at the cosmology of it all. The world itself is actually fairly grimdark if you get down to it.
Eh, I disagree. Let's remember characters like Queen Nyzeerah and Chief Taldahs can be redeemed from their corruption whereas in a trulyGrimdark setting (say, Warhammer 40k) the only way to end their suffering would be to kill them.

But anyway, not to harp on about the point in my last post, but I want to clarify something about my issues with the G-Fam. I'm not anti-nuance and complexity in porn games. I prefer forming relationships with characters and having actual discussions and interactions with them. In porn terms, most of the stuff I prefer to listen to or watch is Girlfriend Experience (GFE for short) content. And most if not all of the characters in this game I really like are the ones who have stuff going on and quests to do, personal relationships to form with them and so on. I'm in favour of most of the stuff that follows them. Hell, I'm perfectly okay with trying to do morally complex stories of some stripe so long as the porn is kept in perspective.

But that last point is absolutely crucial. And most of the time in this game, it's followed. We get to see a lot of culture clash between people from different backgrounds, villains who have sympathetic motives and can be redeemed of their corruption, NPCs who don't conform to the stereotypes of their races etc. A quest that involves being required to work alongside a woman who was exiled for killing all the young people in a village after they fell in with a cult just feels like a step way beyond that, especially since while there are plenty of quests and backstory elements with dark elements, none of the ones shown on-screen ever come that close again, nor that the game itself is constantly bringing up both the kiddie-cultist killing and the exile and playing them for uber dark gray vs. gray morality each time. It also isn't helped that throughout the whole of Winter Wolf there's only one optional sex encounter, in the flashback when Gweyr pegs her husband, and otherwise it's just dead serious. If not for the pegging, one could plausibly think it came out of a lore blurb for the world of Westeros. That clashes hard against the rest of the game, where there's almost always at least three sexable NPCs per quest.

So whatever else comes next, I really hope they don't try to go to that level of extremity again.
 
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So, while I agree with a lot of your assesment, I do take issue with your oppening statement.
We only have Garret, Jin Jin and Liaden -- a straight and a gay guy, and a lesbian -- who are gender locked. Now, TiTS is the other story but this is CoC2 thread so I will leave it to the side.
True. That's why I generalized saying games like it (or porn games in general). And while TiTs is a different game it's the closest in similarity to CoC2 that I can think of (haven't played CoC1 so).
I feel like "penis obsessed/focused" would be more apt way for you to put it. Although, even then, only 3 female NPCs strictly lock you out of their content if you do not have a dick -- Kiyoko, Meme Girl and Matiha if you keep her with Berwyn.
Well even if that's true, some npcs that you could fuck w/o a penis often have a lot of cock-gated content/scenes. And even if u can fuck other npcs w/o one, it's pretty clear what they prefer and vag-champ scenes are generally shorter, less passionate, and not as well-written (in my opinion) if you compare them to dicked scenes. I personally didn't really connect with a lot of vag-only champs scenes bc most felt awkward or it always comes back to talking about dicks in the end (like this is only pale in comparison or npcs complain they wish PC had a dick).

Probably bc majority is written in mind for hetero/cis male audience (which is also the majority so makes sense) and often times I noticed that even in dicked pc scenes it doesn't take into account whether PC is female or not (only seen Alypia and Skow seem to have taken into account of that like playing with pc's boobs, etc.).

So even if not male-locked or cock-locked, the content doesn't seem like made in mind for women (esp if u play vag-only champs like me). I know that the majority of the audience and money etc., and also the writer's preference and other elements all contribute to that. I guess it's also a difference between who the writer is too. So honestly, being locked behind a male character does often seem to go hand in hand with it being cock-locked (doesn't help that there aren't a lot of male herm or cuntboy players in general, and those types of NPCs in coc2).
 
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I mean, a lot of polyamory with another couple is going to be third wheeling. That is in fact part of polyamory, is why this isn't weird to me. As long as they're taking steps to include me, which they do, I'm chill with it.
 

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Well even if that's true, some npcs that you could fuck w/o a penis often have a lot of cock-gated content/scenes. And even if u can fuck other npcs w/o one, it's pretty clear what they prefer and vag-champ scenes are generally shorter, less passionate, and not as well-written (in my opinion) if you compare them to dicked scenes.
Yes. And as you will say at the end, we can chuck that to the fact that most of the writers are guys so it is kind of hard to go into describing female extacy. Which I can understand. But at same time, I agree with you that a lot of it still feels phoned in even with that in mind.
I personally didn't really connect with a lot of vag-only champs scenes bc most felt awkward or it always comes back to talking about dicks in the end (like this is only pale in comparison or npcs complain they wish PC had a dick).
Do not get me started: Rindo (entier Den, really), Lyra, Jen, Byvernia, Rune, Basically every female Centuar and Orc... There are probably others, but yeah, if your vchamp is not hitting on a girl with a dick, chances are that they will at most give you a pity fuck.
And sometimes even the more positive example slip up -- like how Cait lacks an entire scene where she shows the vagina champ how much she cares for them. Or how Brienne and Azy are apparently fine milking each other yet my champ has to do it herself... And Brienne claiming that that is something she considers really special...
I wonder how people would have reacted if Azy was a dude...
Probably bc majority is written in mind for hetero/cis male audience (which is also the majority so makes sense) and often times I noticed that even in dicked pc scenes it doesn't take into account whether PC is female or not (only seen Alypia and Skow seem to have taken into account of that like playing with pc's boobs, etc.).
I would also add B there since he did write Zo (preg expansions not withstanding), Fem Statues, fem lyric and a lot of his female NPCs in TiTS are friendly for people that are lacking a particular sort of equipment. At least for me: nan not speak how much they appeal to you, but I at least find them fulfilling and empowering.
As for lacking in more feminine descriptions... True, that should be fixed. But if it is any consolation, not many scenes account for more manly or animalistic characteristics (beards, tails, wings, manes). A lot of fun parsers are barely used.

So even if not male-locked or cock-locked, the content doesn't seem like made in mind for women (esp if u play vag-only champs like me). I know that the majority of the audience and money etc., and also the writer's preference and other elements all contribute to that. I guess it's also a difference between who the writer is too. So honestly, being locked behind a male character does often seem to go hand in hand with it being cock-locked (doesn't help that there aren't a lot of male herm or cuntboy players in general, and those types of NPCs in coc2).
As seen above, I agree with a lot of what you are preaching. But I would also like to add that content that is meant to appeal to women often to me feels like it lacks in "Umf" (Quin, Keros, Imad, a lot of vaginal scenes in general) that can be found in male focused content. So it is a lose/lose situation through most of the game, at least for me.

Also, thanks for showing consideration for us Cboy/male herm lovers
 
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