Your gripes with CoC II

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I wouldn't be so upset over the loss of Berwyn if he was going to be replaced with another male character. Instead, outside of the two men in our party, 8 out of 10 companions is going to have huge tits and be a woman, dick or not, depending on your choice of Ryn. It's just incredibly frustrating to be a bi person and play this game if your preferences in porn aren't "women" and "women with dicks," especially if you want them to be more than just an enemy encounter.
 

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I wouldn't be so upset over the loss of Berwyn if he was going to be replaced with another male character.
My sentiments exactly. I get it, they are catering to their "target audience" but tbh at some point I got to wonder why they even bother with male characters at all when they get sidelined this hard. It feels like going to a buffet but all you're getting are appetizers and when you point it out the only response you get is "Why are you complaining? At least you got something to eat".
 

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I wouldn't be so upset over the loss of Berwyn if he was going to be replaced with another male character. Instead, outside of the two men in our party, 8 out of 10 companions is going to have huge tits and be a woman, dick or not, depending on your choice of Ryn. It's just incredibly frustrating to be a bi person and play this game if your preferences in porn aren't "women" and "women with dicks," especially if you want them to be more than just an enemy encounter.

I totally feel this, although I think the Berwyn situation is best for everyone on the creative team and that's ultimately what's most important.

Brint is a great companion with tons of possible interactions, but Quint has really gotten left by the wayside and I hope that changes. (Especially since his recent updates have added in a romantic relationship with someone other than the PC, which I really do not like.) CoC is CoC and will always be weighted more heavily toward people who want to have sex with women, but it would be nice if the male characters that do exist had a little extra love put into them.

And I do (maybe incorrectly) often think that four out of the eight woman companions often feel very redundant from a personality and content perspective — I don't necessarily know what about Agni, Azyrran, Atugia or Brienne is special, unique or distinct from the others. Arona, Cait, Etheryn and Kiyoko all fill pretty different niches, but the other four kind of hover in a very similar zone imho? Selfishly, I would love to see some of the attention going to them instead going to dude characters. (Although obviously I know that's not an actual one-to-one correlation and it's not as though creative energy can actually be siphoned from, like, Agni and redirected to Quint.)

But horny is as horny does and every writer on the team deserves the chance to chase their pet project in return for all the work they do, obviously.
 

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I totally feel this, although I think the Berwyn situation is best for everyone on the creative team and that's ultimately what's most important.

Brint is a great companion with tons of possible interactions, but Quint has really gotten left by the wayside and I hope that changes. (Especially since his recent updates have added in a romantic relationship with someone other than the PC, which I really do not like.) CoC is CoC and will always be weighted more heavily toward people who want to have sex with women, but it would be nice if the male characters that do exist had a little extra love put into them.

And I do (maybe incorrectly) often think that four out of the eight woman companions often feel very redundant from a personality and content perspective — I don't necessarily know what about Agni, Azyrran, Atugia or Brienne is special, unique or distinct from the others. Arona, Cait, Etheryn and Kiyoko all fill pretty different niches, but the other four kind of hover in a very similar zone imho? Selfishly, I would love to see some of the attention going to them instead going to dude characters. (Although obviously I know that's not an actual one-to-one correlation and it's not as though creative energy can actually be siphoned from, like, Agni and redirected to Quint.)

But horny is as horny does and every writer on the team deserves the chance to chase their pet project in return for all the work they do, obviously.
I don't like beefcake, so I'm stuck with Quin. Which is incredibly frustrating, because Berwyn filled a niche that's already virtually non-existent in this game, and now I'm going to get YET ANOTHER Big Titty Lady instead of a niche. Because if you choose the right options, going forward, Quin will be the ONLY non-big titty lady you can recruit. The problem is these ten companions are it, I'm going to have Quint with a bunch of extraneous big titty ladies as my options for party members because that's who the devs keep company with and the only ones who got to make companions.

And while I get the need to cut it off eventually... I also can voice my displeasure and make it clear I'm out because a lot of what I like is left out because the game caters more and more to "women and women with dicks" fetish over time, to the point that anything else DOES feel like an afterthought. Did you know you could initially softlock the game by going to have sex with Matiha and not having a dick? Kinda makes me feel like such a complete afterthought that it feels more like, "Oh, yeah, we totally have vegetarian options" and it's just a bunch of lettuce while everyone else gets full-course meals.
 

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Did you know you could initially softlock the game by going to have sex with Matiha and not having a dick? Kinda makes me feel like such a complete afterthought that it feels more like, "Oh, yeah, we totally have vegetarian options" and it's just a bunch of lettuce while everyone else gets full-course meals.
I want you to know that while I understand and support your unhappiness and I get feeling like an afterthought, this specific thing was just a bug. The content was written; it just wasn't hooked up properly.

I've never done so myself, but from what I understand, people who play characters with dicks have had plenty of their own softlock bugs over the years.
 
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I want you to know that while I understand and support your unhappiness and I get feeling like an afterthought, this specific thing was just a bug. The content was written; it just wasn't hooked up properly.

I've never done so myself, but from what I understand, people who play characters with dicks have had plenty of their own softlock bugs over the years.
oh, I'm sure it was a bug. It's just that it somehow wasn't hooked up properly and made it out in such a way that would theoretically affect any champion with no dick. Combine that with Mayternity being 99% for dick-having PCs with a bone tossed toward pussy-having PCs occasionally, the fact that most of the companions (seriously, 7/10 with Viv?) are Big Titty Waifus, it begins to feel like you're an afterthought.
 

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oh, I'm sure it was a bug. It's just that it somehow wasn't hooked up properly and made it out in such a way that would theoretically affect any champion with no dick. Combine that with Mayternity being 99% for dick-having PCs with a bone tossed toward pussy-having PCs occasionally, the fact that most of the companions (seriously, 7/10 with Viv?) are Big Titty Waifus, it begins to feel like you're an afterthought.
I understand what it feels like when most of the sex content isn't for you. It's not fun. Stopping game support wasn't my response, but I get it if it feels like the one you have to take.
 

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Because if you choose the right options, going forward, Quin will be the ONLY non-big titty lady you can recruit.
Agni and Atugia have pretty average breasts, I'd say. Still, I understand being frustrated with having so few male options.
And I do (maybe incorrectly) often think that four out of the eight woman companions often feel very redundant from a personality and content perspective — I don't necessarily know what about Agni, Azyrran, Atugia or Brienne is special, unique or distinct from the others. Arona, Cait, Etheryn and Kiyoko all fill pretty different niches, but the other four kind of hover in a very similar zone imho?
Brienne's extremely subby and loving. Azyrran's often decently reserved but has a strong will and, I think, a somewhat romantic view on things. Tugs is pretty much the "tomboy" archetype, being outspoken and somewhat masculine, with a softer side, mixed in with how she's lived for hundreds of years and is still a hothead after all that. Agni is suicidal and aggressively horny, though I've not used her enough to know more than that.
 

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Agni and Atugia have pretty average breasts, I'd say. Still, I understand being frustrated with having so few male options.
Average, I guess, to people like Arona. But some of Atugia's nude art looks to be on par with me in size, and I'm uh. Deeeefinitely not "average." Likewise, while Agni's supposed to be C-cup, something about her art makes her feel like she's bustier than that--I wouldn't have guessed C-cup looking at it. In all honesty, with both their art, it FEELS very much a case of "boobs look smaller because they're stacked with muscle, too."
 

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I wouldn't be so upset over the loss of Berwyn if he was going to be replaced with another male character. Instead, outside of the two men in our party, 8 out of 10 companions is going to have huge tits and be a woman, dick or not, depending on your choice of Ryn. It's just incredibly frustrating to be a bi person and play this game if your preferences in porn aren't "women" and "women with dicks," especially if you want them to be more than just an enemy encounter.
Mhmm, same though. I mean, I get why it was done from a development perspective, but the fact that the male companion count dropped is quite discouraging, when it was already ridiculously weighted towards female characters.

Then to have Berry replaced with yet another female character down the road? Come on, we get you guys have a whole thing there, but damn, you’re kinda beating a dead horse at this point. A little variety hardly hurts anyone.
 

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hey as much as I agree with feeling underfed, this is pretty much a dead topic at this point, you have not been the first that feels bored at the lack of characters you are interested in, you will not be the last that dislikes how the game is 99% penis wielding player oriented, but it's just naught salt at this point, it doesn't matter as it isn't what the devs want and its not something community writers have interest in pursuing for no coin.
 

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hey as much as I agree with feeling underfed, this is pretty much a dead topic at this point, you have not been the first that feels bored at the lack of characters you are interested in, you will not be the last that dislikes how the game is 99% penis wielding player oriented, but it's just naught salt at this point, it doesn't matter as it isn't what the devs want and its not something community writers have interest in pursuing for no coin.
Hence why I've already said I'm moving on and taking my money with me.
 
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Then to have Berry replaced with yet another female character down the road? Come on, we get you guys have a whole thing there, but damn, you’re kinda beating a dead horse at this point. A little variety hardly hurts anyone.
The problem is, as already mentioned, that the majority of the people trusted to write companions wanted to write females. As companions are huge commitments and passion projects, it wouldn't be fair to tell someone that they have to write something they aren't invested in, for 'variety'.

And just to be clear, Berwyn isn't being 'replaced' by Viv in the sense that she was written as a companion because he was being dropped, it's just that she fills a similar party niche. Viv is being written as a companion because that's what Balak wanted to do. The earliest he mentioned wanting to write Viv as his companion (on his Patreon) was months before Hugs left, so it was something he decided completely in isolation from anything to do with Berwyn. I get that it might look like he's being replaced by a female character if you look at it out of context, but that's not really the case.
 

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Average, I guess, to people like Arona. But some of Atugia's nude art looks to be on par with me in size, and I'm uh. Deeeefinitely not "average." Likewise, while Agni's supposed to be C-cup, something about her art makes her feel like she's bustier than that--I wouldn't have guessed C-cup looking at it. In all honesty, with both their art, it FEELS very much a case of "boobs look smaller because they're stacked with muscle, too."
To be fair, I think all the bust sizes in the art are somewhat inflated. When an NPC was introduced with D-cup tits, I looked askance at the art and said "Uhh, I know what D-cups look like. My wife is a D-cup, and they ain't nearly THAT large."
 

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To be fair, I think all the bust sizes in the art are somewhat inflated. When an NPC was introduced with D-cup tits, I looked askance at the art and said "Uhh, I know what D-cups look like. My wife is a D-cup, and they ain't nearly THAT large."
Which is fair, but it's also very much a case of it leading into feeling like your entire party aside from two people is Big Titty Waifu.
 
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Which is fair, but it's also very much a case of it leading into feeling like your entire party aside from two people is Big Titty Waifu.
A fair point. I'm inherently biased, of course, because I'm a straight male. I realize full well that the game tends to cater to people like me. Even when I play as a female character, I have her tend to go after the girls as well as the boys.
 

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hey as much as I agree with feeling underfed, this is pretty much a dead topic at this point, you have not been the first that feels bored at the lack of characters you are interested in, you will not be the last that dislikes how the game is 99% penis wielding player oriented, but it's just naught salt at this point, it doesn't matter as it isn't what the devs want and its not something community writers have interest in pursuing for no coin.

I mean, it’d be more accurate to say hetero or heteroflexible penis-wielding players if we’re being honest here. Meanwhile, my gay ass is admittedly quite salty over the whole thing. I do get the devs have their whole favored flavors of NPCs, just irked that there isn’t a touch more variety.

The problem is, as already mentioned, that the majority of the people trusted to write companions wanted to write females. As companions are huge commitments and passion projects, it wouldn't be fair to tell someone that they have to write something they aren't invested in, for 'variety'.

And just to be clear, Berwyn isn't being 'replaced' by Viv in the sense that she was written as a companion because he was being dropped, it's just that she fills a similar party niche. Viv is being written as a companion because that's what Balak wanted to do. The earliest he mentioned wanting to write Viv as his companion (on his Patreon) was months before Hugs left, so it was something he decided completely in isolation from anything to do with Berwyn. I get that it might look like he's being replaced by a female character if you look at it out of context, but that's not really the case.

That’s fair, and in hindsight what I said was poorly worded in that regard. The whole situation is just frustrating, when things are already overwhelmingly weighted in that direction.
 

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I mean, it’d be more accurate to say hetero or heteroflexible penis-wielding players if we’re being honest here. Meanwhile, my gay ass is admittedly quite salty over the whole thing. I do get the devs have their whole favored flavors of NPCs, just irked that there isn’t a touch more variety.
fair enough, I made the wrong assumption that everyone here with a penis was at least bi, my bad
 
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To be fair, I think all the bust sizes in the art are somewhat inflated. When an NPC was introduced with D-cup tits, I looked askance at the art and said "Uhh, I know what D-cups look like. My wife is a D-cup, and they ain't nearly THAT large."
Agreed. I used to get a little annoyed at how proportions are described vs how they're depicted because it took me out of it but realised I still enjoyed it if I turn my brain off to the reality of size descriptions and just let my imagination vaguely scale things.

It's easier to imagine Brint's dick being huge than a third of my height lol.
 

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Agreed. I used to get a little annoyed at how proportions are described vs how they're depicted because it took me out of it but realised I still enjoyed it if I turn my brain off to the reality of size descriptions and just let my imagination vaguely scale things.

It's easier to imagine Brint's dick being huge than a third of my height lol.
I know, right? As fun as ridiculously sized insertion stuff can be, it rapidly becomes horrifying when that pesky brain manages to click on :p
 
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Agreed. I used to get a little annoyed at how proportions are described vs how they're depicted because it took me out of it but realised I still enjoyed it if I turn my brain off to the reality of size descriptions and just let my imagination vaguely scale things.

It's easier to imagine Brint's dick being huge than a third of my height lol.
Yeah, I just lumped it into willing suspension of disbelief. The people of this world just have different anatomies, that's all. Like all the females having really strong back muscles to support all that weight from their boobs.
 

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I know, right? As fun as ridiculously sized insertion stuff can be, it rapidly becomes horrifying when that pesky brain manages to click on :p
Exactly! I love the idea of size difference stuff but heights in the game already throw me for a loop when I consider 6ft really tall let alone other measurements! But when I think of them as vaguely big...Yay Minotaurs!
 

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Well, after letting the whole Berwyn Expansion marinate, I have to say that I am not really happy with how this all played out. This will be long so if anyone is interested in TL;dr:
The entire expansion feels like it was created for people that either did not like/care or were indeferent to the doggy summoner while offering almost no benefits or anything close to towards his original fanbase.

For longer version:
First I am going to say something towards the quest itself. I overall enjoyed it. I liked reading through it, it made Berwyns struggle all that more compelling and as a conclusion to his arc, it did its job. But the whole gender/sex change thing? Yeah...

Look, like with everything, I am sure that there are some prior fans of the dog boy that like the stuff that is currently at offer. Maybe some of them liked his overall appearance but wished his dick was reasonably sized (at least by CoC2 standards). Perhaps they wanted the ability to trully dominate the dog boy. Or maybe they are like me and have niche interest in Cboys/maleherms. I am not claiming that if you are a Berwyn fan that you should hate, or even particularly dislike, what this update has to offer.

As for my opinion on current avalide stuff: it does seem to suffer from two fronts - the aforementioned sudden malleability of Berwyn and having Matiha involved. Lets take sex scenes for example: while good, they do feel somewhat bland and repetitive in their execution. I gather that the cause for that is having to account for body changes, Berwyns dom/sub meter and Matiha herself. It just does not have the tightness of his original writing where it only needed to focus on fulfilling the dream of having a bratty dog dominate you every which way. Even when comparing it to someone like Ryn, it does feel messy and unfulfilling in places.

And then there is Matiha. While I somewhat can live with Berry and his TFs --since the content that is written for female/futa berry should supposedly trickle down to his OG self -- the big titty witch is another ballpark. Sure, you can technically remove her from the game/move her to wayfort and have the doggy half-breed all to yourself. That was the first thing I did. But man, does it feel like the game is pushing her onto you. Ignoring the aforementioned sex scenes, Berry feels pretty bare bones alone. While I do enjoy the quick glimpses into his every day life each time you enter his den, the amount of stuff he has to say and do feels barren compared to everything he had before. I wish we had ability to talk to him about his feelings when it comes to Matiha, his relationship with us (besides his dom/sub conclusions which are actual conclusions) and the state of his libido. Just something, to make him feel more complete.

And while on topic of Matiha and her involvement... You can argue that Matiha is as much as part of this update as Berwyn and that obviously sending her off somewhere far away where she can not touch him should lead to less stuff. While somewhat logical, my counter arguments are:
Not everyone is into the big titty witch. Be it that they find her actions inexcusable, her design unappealing or just having no interest in, she should have been a side piece more than anything. For when I hear the phrase "Berwyn update", I expect more Berry. And right now, the desperincy in content between Berry with Matiha and Berry without Matiha is to large for my liking.

And finally, on this whole removal of him as companion.

I find it bad on principle that Berwyn fans do seem to get short end of the stick in the update. All my aforementioned pros seem more like a byproduct of the expansion, not their main, intended, result. It feels like that most of the changes were created with wider audience in mind. Look, I understand that female NPCs are more in demand than their male counterparts. I get that. I understand that players want subby girls that worship the ground they walk and have no interest in dominant pretty boys/femboys/guys. But I and many other enjoyed it. And to suddenly be forced to share a table with the part of the fan base that already gets stuffed with oodles of content... Yeah, I hope you understand why a lot of people are muffled.

If the expansion was just conclusion to Berry storyline and some additions to his already established niche as dominant femboy, then I would e somewhat miffled but happy. Since I understand that supporting a companion is a lot of work.

But right now, I am disappointed.
 
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Exactly! I love the idea of size difference stuff but heights in the game already throw me for a loop when I consider 6ft really tall let alone other measurements! But when I think of them as vaguely big...Yay Minotaurs!

Mhmm. While I definitely enjoy that kink, there are moments I am very glad for my elf muscle twink Champ’s absurd stretchiness, since Brint definitely would of fucked him to death at this point without it, lmao :p
 
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I don't like beefcake, so I'm stuck with Quin. Which is incredibly frustrating, because Berwyn filled a niche that's already virtually non-existent in this game, and now I'm going to get YET ANOTHER Big Titty Lady instead of a niche. Because if you choose the right options, going forward, Quin will be the ONLY non-big titty lady you can recruit. The problem is these ten companions are it, I'm going to have Quint with a bunch of extraneous big titty ladies as my options for party members because that's who the devs keep company with and the only ones who got to make companions.

And while I get the need to cut it off eventually... I also can voice my displeasure and make it clear I'm out because a lot of what I like is left out because the game caters more and more to "women and women with dicks" fetish over time, to the point that anything else DOES feel like an afterthought. Did you know you could initially softlock the game by going to have sex with Matiha and not having a dick? Kinda makes me feel like such a complete afterthought that it feels more like, "Oh, yeah, we totally have vegetarian options" and it's just a bunch of lettuce while everyone else gets full-course meals.
I feel for you, because I found (still find?) myself in a similar situation when it comes to women with dicks. It is a drought out there when it comes to said fetish. I have spent ungodly hours trying to find any who will cater to it from the stance of a dominant male over a submissive/switch futa. But no, 99.99% of the time it's futa on futa, futa on woman, or futa on male. If there is ever any male on futa it's weak content before it switches back. It was unfortunate at first, then annoying, then infuriating. Maybe I'm just that bad at scouring the internet, but I'm not exaggerating when I say TiTs and CoC are the only two mediums tackling this content that I want and is handing it over to me by the bucketful. I'm extremely happy with it. But I understand the frustration of being in a niche, and so I hope you find what you're looking for some day.
 

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@PuppyPrincess It‘s why I actually was rather gratified by one bit of new Berry content, namely that he can finally knot you outside the breeding scene. It seemed a bit silly that he couldn’t before, with how my elf twink had been basically riding Brint’s dick off into the sunset the whole damn game (and Sugo, and the Behemoth, and the Corrupted Centaurs, and Nikol… basically just a LOT of absurdly large horsecocks).
 

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@PuppyPrincess It‘s why I actually was rather gratified by one bit of new Berry content, namely that he can finally knot you outside the breeding scene. It seemed a bit silly that he couldn’t before, with how my elf twink had been basically riding Brint’s dick off into the sunset the whole damn game (and Sugo, and the Behemoth, and the Corrupted Centaurs, and Nikol… basically just a LOT of absurdly large horsecocks).
Oooh I didn't know that, that's fun! Yeah my champs similar with how much time she's spent doing magic tricks with Brint, Orlaith, Mara, Nikol, Khor'Minos...
 
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