Your gripes with CoC II

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Animalistic

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Because it's a sequel to a game called Corruption of Champions - is "artifact title" a familiar concept to you?
Yes, and CoC 2 marketed itself as spiritual sequel which includes corruption.
The game has examples where Champion can force their will on others.l
The game, if developers veiled it, could decide that a corrupt champion could force a vagina onto Ryn or anyone for that matter. So Ryns opinion, so to peak, litterly does not matter.
So, in culmination, I see no point in Kibies rebutal based on the fact that that dream was all about being an evil bastard as it reflected the corrupt champions inner desires in which they ignore Ryns wants and autonomy for sake of some prime puss.
 
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And this is a game called Corruption of Champions 2.
The developers have been very clear that you shouldn't be using CoC1 as a basis to predict what CoC2 will do. That the word is in the title doesn't mean that every possible instance you can imagine of corrupting characters is going to be possible or of any interest to the writers. Tobs even has this to say on the matter:

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The developers have been very clear that you shouldn't be using CoC1 as a basis to predict what CoC2 will do. That the word is in the title doesn't mean that every possible instance you can imagine of corrupting characters is going to be possible or of any interest to the writers. Tobs even has this to say on the matter:

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Also corruption in this game isn't inevitable, you can easily play this game as a (relatively) good character.
 

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And it's a dream where you are being an evil asshole to her.
There's one dream for DK Champ where they force Ryn to have a pussy, and there's one dream for all Champs where Ryn just, like, has a pussy and it's described in a way that implies that it's what she really wants.

This is Not True and is a relic of early-dev weirdness.
 
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OK, so once again, you are agreeing with me but presenting it in a way that makes it seem that you and I are on a complete different wavelength. We agree that it is up to developers to decided if they want something in the game or not. Thay in game justification do not matter. And that game can contain corruption of almost any kind, not that it should.
That the word is in the title doesn't mean that every possible instance you can imagine of corrupting characters is going to be possible or of any interest to the writers. Tobs even has this to say on the matter:
And did I ever claim otherwise? Where do I ever claim this?
 
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I always assumed the sequel naming was because coming up with another sexual acronym would be a pain in the ass. I mean Kas is potentially a grandmother, so VAG: Very Angsty Gilf, would work but doesn't sound as good.

Also I was always told that hamburgers were invented in Hamburg. Was I lied to?
 

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I always assumed the sequel naming was because coming up with another sexual acronym would be a pain in the ass. I mean Kas is potentially a grandmother, so VAG: Very Angsty Gilf, would work but doesn't sound as good.
The next FenCo game will be called Adventures on Slutty Seas, totes true.
And did I ever claim otherwise? Where do I ever claim this?
You reguarly bring up the title of the game whenever it's pointed out that some Corruption-adjacent content isn't getting in the game. We're capable of reading between the lines.
 

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True, but they're rubbish that can still reproduce so it could count. Besides, at the rate we're going, we'll probably be able to knock up Aileh. That'd definitely count towards making Kas a gilf.
 
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The developers have been very clear that you shouldn't be using CoC1 as a basis to predict what CoC2 will do. That the word is in the title doesn't mean that every possible instance you can imagine of corrupting characters is going to be possible or of any interest to the writers. Tobs even has this to say on the matter:

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Oh I actually didn't know that. Never played the 1st CoC game but read some wiki stuff through it. Well I read somewhere Savin made it corruption of champions 2 instead of whole new world/seperate game just to make a demon waifu. Which is valid. Also to probably ensure pc can keep going through the story without facing negative consequences bc some of the corruption gains beside fucking imps/demons seem pretty cruel.

Sorry if I also made same line of reasoning? I just kind of assumed.

Mostly play corrupt champs for dark champions personality dialogue changes and the horny demon shenanigans. But I'm pretty curious how corrupt routes will play through though. I did make specific champ for me to binge read through corrupt routes later on. I like the variety in this game after all.
 
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And it's a dream where you are being an evil asshole to her.
I think you're thinking of something else. This one is a totally normal, consensual rug-munching scene.

The elf queen is reclining on a grand throne of ice, cushioned by furs and fanned by barely-clothed attendants despite the freezing cold. Her pale skin shines with scented oils, perfectly accentuating her well-toned muscles and full breasts. To your bemusement, you realize that the powerful queen before is Etheryn, although hardly the Etheryn you know. Perhaps this is what Etheryn feels like inside, the Etheryn you helped create — she only wears jewelry, large bands of silver and iron, studded with the most opulent of star sapphires and flawless diamonds. From your kneeling position, you have an excellent view of her shaved crotch and prominent flower of womanhood, which she flaunts casually, her legs spread as she looks down on you.

You’re vaguely aware of the elf ladies and lords sitting in the stands, the high nobility of pale elf society come to watch the spectacle. Rare is it that the Queen herself presides over trials. Whichever way this goes, no doubt it will be the talk of the Winter City for days to come, if not weeks.

Etheryn speaks a single word, pointing towards her pussy, a triumphant smile playing on her lips. The language isn’t one that you understand, but the meaning is clear — lick. You need no further encouragement, eager to please your mistress and try to win her pardon. Far more important is the taste of Etheryn’s cool, sweet nectar, which you lap up greedily. Your queen moans as you plunge your flexible tongue into her folds, using every technique within your considerable repertoire to please her.

Her lean, powerful legs wrap around your head, trapping you in an intimate embrace as she arches her back, shaking as she cries out. Clear nectar flows onto your tongue, a deliciously sweet ambrosia. You drink and drink from her ceaseless fountain, getting your fill and then some.

Is it enough? Will it be enough?

Silence reigns in the stands. As the massed ladies and lords watch with bated breath, the Queen of the Winter City stretches out her hand, her fingers balled in a fist. All await the verdict.

A quick flick of Etheryn’s wrist, and she points her thumb downwards.

Guilty.

Shakily, you raise your head, peering left and right at the Queen’s guards. With the same triumphant smile, Etheryn repeats her command, pointing to one of them. The guard inclines her head ever so slightly, then begins to unbuckle her armor in full view of all of the court.

When you wake up, you are drooling slightly. Taking a moment to wipe your mouth, you tuck yourself back in and head to bed.
There's one dream for DK Champ where they force Ryn to have a pussy, and there's one dream for all Champs where Ryn just, like, has a pussy and it's described in a way that implies that it's what she really wants.

This is Not True and is a relic of early-dev weirdness.
So there was a point where they either seriously considered giving Ryn a vag, or just weren't tightly managing whether content involving her having a pussy was an open question?
The only beings Kas has sired/birthed are imps, and I don't think anyone really considers imps to be living children, rather than rubish.
No, she doesn't have biological children. Hasn't stopped her from "creating" those dragon girls who are totally-not-Ember from CoC1, or corrupting several creatures to breed corrupted versions of themselves to serve in her army. To her, that's good enough for now but she definitely has her eye on learning how to make actual babies again, whether as a sire or carrier.
 

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Early content can be kind of weird because some things got changed between initial concept and execution, or writers were working with other characters and weren't sure on all the details, or a combination of the two. Going back and cleaning that stuff up isn't the highest on the priority list.
(how tf do they fly like that though).
Kasyrra: Magic, bitches!
 

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Random silly gripe since I like to play mage characters - Sanctified Gladius doesn't have the catalyst tag but the new Flametongue Blade does. Catalyst apparently only affects accuracy and crit right? So why does Flametongue Blade have catalyst tag with no accuracy or crit stats, but the Gladius does have crit stats but no catalyst tag. Mysteries upon mysteries. o_o

Yeah, I was a bit baffled at that too. Overall I think the Flametongue Blade needs its stats overhauled, as it’s pretty garbage tier atm. Personally I would suggest bumping up its stats to be roughly on par with the Control Rod, since at the moment you pretty much need to use a totem in your offhand to be able to cast effectively. I’d like to see the stats on the War Staff tweaked as well, adding at least 10 Spellpower (as it’s a bit weird for a staff to not have any), maybe drop the Evasion a bit, and bump the damage up to match the Blade Staff.

The other thing I’d like to see is the addition of some lower cooldown Black Mage fire spells. I had my hopes up when we got the new Tomes in MinoTown, but unfortunately we got another long CD fire spell. Specifically, I was kind of hoping Flash Fire would be fire equivalent of Ray of Frost or Power Wave, but no dice on that.
 
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Per Discord, you probably shouldn't take the numbers of the newest gear (Flametongue Blade being the explicit example) as being set in stone because the Big Combat Rework that's Balak's major project for the year is going to result in a lot of numbers changing one way or the other.
 

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Per Discord, you probably shouldn't take the numbers of the newest gear (Flametongue Blade being the explicit example) as being set in stone because the Big Combat Rework that's Balak's major project for the year is going to result in a lot of numbers changing one way or the other.

Fair enough. Just seems odd to make a catalyst weapon that can’t even benefit from the flag. Also, as I mentioned above the lack of spellpower on the War Staff just felt like an odd choice. Hopefully those will both get overhauled.
 
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I feel like theres not enough actual corruption of the characters, like in the first game. I havent seen any of my companions or spouses have corrupted story lines.
 

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Kiyoko,
"The corruption has taken root too deeply for there to be any other recourse," Kiyoko says, a flickering flame beginning to dance in her open palm as she spreads her fingers. "Rest."

With a loud bang that accompanies an explosion of light, nothing is left of the packleader's upper half save for a scorched impact crater. One less of Kasyrra's malformed creations in the world. You've done good here, tipped the scales in favor of an untainted land. The wide-eyed centaurs you leave behind will hopefully have learned their lesson, and if not... well, you'll still be here the next time they come around.
Also Kiyoko,
You approach Caera holding Chrysanthemum Petal tightly in your hand. They're demons, they don't have a soul, they are corrupted beyond redemption, and yet... there's fear in their eyes, it seems like this couple care about each other. Is it love, or mere force of habit?

Someone puts a hand on your shoulder and you turn around to see Kiyoko staring directly into your eyes.

"You don't have to do this, Hasani," Kiyoko says.
Sandre and Caera are a [companion1] parser, so you also get fun moments with orcish raider Arona and "we execute thieves in Khor'minos" Brint and Brienne.
 
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Sandre and Caera writer, Fleep, fighting @zagzig about the morality of death penalty, circa 2022 (colorized)
Not so much the morality (although that as well) as that many of the companions available to be selected in the [companion1] parser have already directly established neutrality or support for executing creatures less corrupt and evil than Sandre and Caera. Cait approves of mercy killing the Behemoth, Brint and Brienne talk about how banditry is punishable by death in a way that does not signify they have a problem with it, many companions will execute the Centaur Marauder for you. Hell, even Etheryn can have Daliza cut off a thief's hand in Winter City.
 

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Well those are all nessecary violence, even the foxes have it for the faceless. Just the kind of world it is.
 

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Well those are all nessecary violence, even the foxes have it for the faceless. Just the kind of world it is.
Right, my point being it doesn't make sense for all companions to then go "Wait, it would be wrong to stop these irredeemable marauding rapists from threatening the souls of anyone walking the tunnel. We should let them be free to keep trying to turn anyone they find into demons." Unless the author just doesn't want to write executions due to moral opposition or not finding it horny, in which case don't give the option (see Painted Demon, Demon Cultists).
 
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