Your gripes with CoC II

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zagzig

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Kiyoko,
"The corruption has taken root too deeply for there to be any other recourse," Kiyoko says, a flickering flame beginning to dance in her open palm as she spreads her fingers. "Rest."

With a loud bang that accompanies an explosion of light, nothing is left of the packleader's upper half save for a scorched impact crater. One less of Kasyrra's malformed creations in the world. You've done good here, tipped the scales in favor of an untainted land. The wide-eyed centaurs you leave behind will hopefully have learned their lesson, and if not... well, you'll still be here the next time they come around.
Also Kiyoko,
You approach Caera holding Chrysanthemum Petal tightly in your hand. They're demons, they don't have a soul, they are corrupted beyond redemption, and yet... there's fear in their eyes, it seems like this couple care about each other. Is it love, or mere force of habit?

Someone puts a hand on your shoulder and you turn around to see Kiyoko staring directly into your eyes.

"You don't have to do this, Hasani," Kiyoko says.
Sandre and Caera are a [companion1] parser, so you also get fun moments with orcish raider Arona and "we execute thieves in Khor'minos" Brint and Brienne.
 
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Sandre and Caera writer, Fleep, fighting @zagzig about the morality of death penalty, circa 2022 (colorized)
Not so much the morality (although that as well) as that many of the companions available to be selected in the [companion1] parser have already directly established neutrality or support for executing creatures less corrupt and evil than Sandre and Caera. Cait approves of mercy killing the Behemoth, Brint and Brienne talk about how banditry is punishable by death in a way that does not signify they have a problem with it, many companions will execute the Centaur Marauder for you. Hell, even Etheryn can have Daliza cut off a thief's hand in Winter City.
 

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Well those are all nessecary violence, even the foxes have it for the faceless. Just the kind of world it is.
 

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Well those are all nessecary violence, even the foxes have it for the faceless. Just the kind of world it is.
Right, my point being it doesn't make sense for all companions to then go "Wait, it would be wrong to stop these irredeemable marauding rapists from threatening the souls of anyone walking the tunnel. We should let them be free to keep trying to turn anyone they find into demons." Unless the author just doesn't want to write executions due to moral opposition or not finding it horny, in which case don't give the option (see Painted Demon, Demon Cultists).
 
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Eh it's up to the writers, though it's probably more to make the champ not look bloodthirsty.
 

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Eh it's up to the writers, though it's probably more to make the champ not look bloodthirsty.
Having NPCs who are normally okay with killing irredeemable corrupted monsters tell Champ "this might be a little much" actually makes the Champ look more bloodthirsty, not less.
 

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Not so much the morality (although that as well) as that many of the companions available to be selected in the [companion1] parser have already directly established neutrality or support for executing creatures less corrupt and evil than Sandre and Caera. Cait approves of mercy killing the Behemoth, Brint and Brienne talk about how banditry is punishable by death in a way that does not signify they have a problem with it, many companions will execute the Centaur Marauder for you. Hell, even Etheryn can have Daliza cut off a thief's hand in Winter City.
I don't think Cait saying "Poor man" when you're about to kill a beast that's so perma horny that he can't even think or speak (I don't recall him saying a word) goes against her saying "Man, r u sure about this?" when you're about to kill a couple tbh. Same thing with Ryn; killing someone is quite a step above cutting someone's hand. I'd agree with Brint and Arona tho, but that's why they're at the bottom of the priority list to be that [Companion 1], so in theory they'd only say it if you're carrying both of them in your party.

Anyway, I just wanted to make a joke out of it, not start and argument. It's ok man, dw, you do you ;)
 
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I really wish some of the more of the guys were okay with being bottoms. Like Berwyn can be topped, but only so long as he's insecure??? And like wtf, why wouldn't I want him to have more confidence? So naturally I try to help him feel better about himself and now suddenly I can't top him. Then Brint can only be topped if you turn him into a girl. Garret just cannot be topped no matter what. Quintillus refuses sex. There's only like 2 guys(That I am aware of) you can regularly top if you want to and neither of them are exactly masculine.
Honestly I just wish that Berwyn could be both happy and still be topped. There's nothing wrong with a guy being a bottom.
 

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Like Berwyn can be topped, but only so long as he's insecure??? And like wtf, why wouldn't I want him to have more confidence? So naturally I try to help him feel better about himself and now suddenly I can't top him.
Berry's expac will have you covered, as B has given him (among many other things) a dom/sub meter like Nikol currently has. It's being submitted right now after close to a year of work and according to B it's going to land on top of the review queue.
Then Brint can only be topped if you turn him into a girl
Brint has had topping content for, like, two years now... it's not a focus so there's not much of it, but it exists.
There's only like 2 guys(That I am aware of) you can regularly top if you want to and neither of them are exactly masculine.
This falls under the broad category of 'The staff writers aren't interested/the majority of the fanbase isn't interested' so there's no big drive to add more of it. Which is where community writers have the potential to step up.
 
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Berry's expac will have you covered, as B has given him (among many other things) a dom/sub meter like Nikol currently has. It's being submitted right now after close to a year of work and according to B it's going to land on top of the review queue.
Ahh that's good to know, thank you!

Brint has had topping content for, like, two years now... it's not a focus so there's not much of it, but it exists.
Now I'm wondering if it's been 2 years since I last played. I think it's been sooner, but I've also lost all sense of time lmao.
This falls under the broad category of 'The staff writers aren't interested/the majority of the fanbase isn't interested' so there's no big drive to add more of it. Which is where community writers have the potential to step up.
And fair enough.
 
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I really wish some of the more of the guys were okay with being bottoms. Like Berwyn can be topped, but only so long as he's insecure??? And like wtf, why wouldn't I want him to have more confidence? So naturally I try to help him feel better about himself and now suddenly I can't top him. Then Brint can only be topped if you turn him into a girl. Garret just cannot be topped no matter what. Quintillus refuses sex. There's only like 2 guys(That I am aware of) you can regularly top if you want to and neither of them are exactly masculine.
Honestly I just wish that Berwyn could be both happy and still be topped. There's nothing wrong with a guy being a bottom.
Yeah unfortunately most the ppl who plays are guys (which most porn game audiences are guys) so most of the dominant/topping stuff will be with bedicked champs. As WolframL mentioned the expansion B wrote seems to have dominant sex scenes with Berry regardless of what you have (dick or not). And there are some topping scenes with Brint but it requires a dick or ghostlight (top Brint/rough ride on his sex options). Not sure if you play bedicked champs or vag-only champs but you can't currently top him with vag-only pcs though. As for Quin, though, you can top him (be dominant) via riding him scene, blowing him, and rim handjob sex scenes which you can do them regardless of gender.
 
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Ooo bedicked, that's a fun term. Which yeah, I prefer to play with a dick yeah. And yeah, I guess I had meant dom rather than top, but yeah. Good to know, thank you!
Yeah unfortunately most the ppl who plays are guys (which most porn game audiences are guys) so most of the dominant/topping stuff will be with bedicked champs. As WolframL mentioned the expansion B wrote seems to have dominant sex scenes with Berry regardless of what you have (dick or not). And there are some topping scenes with Brint but it requires a dick or ghostlight (top Brint/rough ride on his sex options). Not sure if you play bedicked champs or vag-only champs but you can't currently top him with vag-only pcs though. As for Quin, though, you can top him (be dominant) via riding him scene, blowing him, and rim handjob sex scenes which you can do them regardless of gender.
 

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Or, better yet, nondom. I guess there could be nontop as well, but that's one branch of physics that porn has yet to tackle :p
I like sticky switches as much as the next girl. They're like pancakes! All syrupy and gooey and wont to flip over - or be flipped over!
 

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Yeah unfortunately most the ppl who plays are guys (which most porn game audiences are guys) so most of the dominant/topping stuff will be with bedicked champs. As WolframL mentioned the expansion B wrote seems to have dominant sex scenes with Berry regardless of what you have (dick or not). And there are some topping scenes with Brint but it requires a dick or ghostlight (top Brint/rough ride on his sex options). Not sure if you play bedicked champs or vag-only champs but you can't currently top him with vag-only pcs though. As for Quin, though, you can top him (be dominant) via riding him scene, blowing him, and rim handjob sex scenes which you can do them regardless of gender.
This is an unfortunate truth, especially with American porn games. Non-Western games have a larger female audience for this sort-of thing, but pornographic content is still very nonexistent sadly for females. Most games of this caliber that have a female audience are very romance-centered and only a handful of those are actually r-18. So it seems like for CoC2, stuff like this will prob just be sitting on the backburner, but at least we have a few of them for female PCs - that's better then having nothing!
 

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I really wish some of the more of the guys were okay with being bottoms. Like Berwyn can be topped, but only so long as he's insecure??? And like wtf, why wouldn't I want him to have more confidence? So naturally I try to help him feel better about himself and now suddenly I can't top him. Then Brint can only be topped if you turn him into a girl. Garret just cannot be topped no matter what. Quintillus refuses sex. There's only like 2 guys(That I am aware of) you can regularly top if you want to and neither of them are exactly masculine.
Honestly I just wish that Berwyn could be both happy and still be topped. There's nothing wrong with a guy being a bottom.
You know, going through both CoC2, it really became apparent how many non feminine guys end up being either only tops or pitchers.
Which was always weird to me since, well, girls in this game usually take the submissive role during sex so it feels weird that the game goes 180 with most of the guys and makes us the subby one.
Like, ignoring people that generally like to partake in that role exclusively/mostly (be it with a guy or a girl), do most of the players suddenly turn into a shy schoolgirl/boy when in a presence of a dude?

It is just something that has been bugging me since I can nor remember the last time that I got to top a non femboy dude. Be it power bottoming (Brint) or pitching/pegging (Quinn).
 
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Yeah I just wish more guys were switches. Like yes, I do absolutely turn into a subby girl in the presence of men. But I can just as likely also turn into Dom at the drop of that same hat lol
 
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What do you mean?
Wolfram's talking about me, haha. I sometimes like to tell people that [X] thing that they want has been noticed and, in fact, is in some stage of being written, by affirming that it would be cool if someone wrote it.
 

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I said this before but maybe re opening the topic might do some things.

The combat in CoC2 doesn't feel nearly as fun as it is in TiTs or even the first CoC. The combat descriptions don't feel as fun to me, and the game play itself just feels like figure out the meta and just pressing the same button over and over again. Oh and feeling overly nerfd if my build is in a monster area that has high resistances against it.

Just I feel TiTs doesn't have these problems.

I can't even fully describe why I dislike CoC2 game play, i heavily prefer it's characters and story, but my love always seems to go back to TiTs despite in my humble opinion weaker plot.

CoC2 is for plot for me
and TiTs is for game play for me

I also feel TiTs is way more fun when it comes to character customization.

Once again these are just my humble opinions and not a knock on either game, just my personal reason why I as a paying player and backer play each game. I love them both but like them for different reasons, but wish the gameplay could have some renovations in CoC2
 

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Balak's working on a major combat revamp so we'll just have to wait and see what everything looks like once it's done. He started a topic for people to discuss the first round of changes so he'll probably solicit additional feedback as more of them roll out.
Oh and feeling overly nerfd if my build is in a monster area that has high resistances against it.
If your Champ's build is capable of being completely nerfed by enemy resistances you're almost certainly overspecializing. If your entire party is being nerfed by enemy resistances you are definitely overspecializing. This is by design.
 
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