Your gripes with CoC II

[Somebody Else]

Kohaku's select stock.

The alchemy system exists because lots of people found the randomized transformations of its predecessors annoying, and there was lots of save scumming as a result. This improvement was completely ignored for Kohaku. Generally her regular selection isn't too bad, needing only a few days to find the item you want, but if you have the audacity to want a fluffy scarf, you'd better be prepared to visit every single day for several months, or save scum like crazy. It's tedious and annoying, and amounts to several items effectively not existing in a typical play through.


On the other hand though, there have been lots of improvements since I've played last. Dark mode and the sterility/infertility consumables lasting until removed through a different consumable are very welcome.

 

[SH60]

Kohaku's select stock

This one hurts the most because some of the gear I need for my build comes from her so I have to save scum for god knows how long to get them all.

 

[Animalistic]

This will all probably be added, but I would like if sub Arona had more option when it comes to fucking the player. Feels kind of bad when most of her vaginal content is locked behind her dom route. And that one scene is pregnancy exclusive(top tier tho) Understandable somewhat. Still, I do kind of hope that her sub content does not just become focused on players with dicks. I know baseless worries, but still something.

 

[Undecided]

Kohaku's select stock.

The alchemy system exists because lots of people found the randomized transformations of its predecessors annoying, and there was lots of save scumming as a result. This improvement was completely ignored for Kohaku. Generally her regular selection isn't too bad, needing only a few days to find the item you want, but if you have the audacity to want a fluffy scarf, you'd better be prepared to visit every single day for several months, or save scum like crazy. It's tedious and annoying, and amounts to several items effectively not existing in a typical play through.

Yeah, I agree with this gripe.

I'd say that it could possibly be overcome by including a "I'm looking for: xyz" in a talk scene with her. That way the next day you show up you'd be guaranteed those items, and it'd only take a day to clear.
The caveat would be that you would never be able to see her full stock at one time (which makes sense). Looking for all the consumables she can randomly have? Then say you're looking for consumables, the next day you pitch up and she'd have all those previously RNG based consumables. Same with weapons etc etc.

I'd think that would take the irritation out of having to save scum or potentially miss out on something due to unfortunate RNG. It'd also make some sense from a lore perspective because she is a traveling merchant, so a day in this games world is not that insane for her to acquire the stock you're looking for (seeing as Gwyneth can have a massive renovation to the Nursery done in a single 24 hour period).

Additionally it could be handwaved (from an ingame continuity / lore perspective) to state that she won't give you her other stock / allow you to view her other stock (as in any weapons if you said you're looking for consumables) because she went to the trouble of getting you the stuff you asked for, so you'll only be viewing / purchasing what you asked for (everyone else in the Kitsune Den would presumably have access to all of her stock, just the PC who specifically asked for something will get the limited selection) - you'd then have to request other stuff (such as weapons) for her to show them to you the next day.

 

[Animalistic]

It is just "normal cait, shields edition"

 

[Ireyon]

It is just "normal cait, shields edition"

Ironically Witch Cait is a better healer than Priestess Cait.

 

[Animalistic]

Ironically Witch Cait is a better healer than Priestess Cait.

She is

 

[SH60]

Cait's Witch set having nothing to do with witchery was very disappointing.

Why is it called her Witch set? That doesn't make sense and it doesn't make sense that she gets it from Viviane when it would make more sense getting the set from Brother Sanders.

 

[WolframL]

Because you get it from a witch. Also, who's to say what is and isn't 'witchy' about her spell selection. That's enforcing stereotypes, that is!

 

[valk42]

The Witch part is just an excuse for goth Cait and I love it, personally

 

[flying_moustache]

I wouldn't call buffs, debuffs, and stances a waist of time. But they are all very situational. To the point that even in those situations, you'd be better off going pure damage. The only time I've used stances more than a couple of times to experiment is with mirror stance. And that's only to learn skills. I've only used buffs and debuffs when fighting that frost giant, Sigrune I think is her name, when half her level. And that was mostly because I forgot to swap Cait's set from witch to priestess. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so easy to be stunned and knocked out of the stance. Why spend a turn using a stance when I can just use bull rush or cleave? Especially since I can get knocked out of the stance and have to either give up using it, or spend another turn re-entering it.

That makes them a waste of time almost by definition.

Recently I have started playing Tales of Androgyny and although it's combat system is not exactly perfect, I really enjoy how it implements stances into combat.

You start in a neutral stance that gives you options to start almost any action. Many actions not only do damage to an opponent, but also transition you to a different stance. Sometimes you want to do a weaker attack, or none at all to position yourself for other actions, sometimes you want to perform a powerful attack but in exchange make yourself vulnerable with a bad stance.

There's way, way more to ToA's combat, to the point where it's just overload imo, but at least in terms of stances I think it shows that there is more potential to that mechanic than we currently see in CoC2.

I am not saying to make CoC2's combat like ToA's but maybe some inspiration is to be had? How about coupling stances to attacks? Maybe give bonuses to attack damage or buff effects if you transition from a specific stance to another?

 

[Savin]

Why is it called her Witch set?

Because she dresses like a witch and practices white witchcraft.

 

[cinaedus]

might parrot this in "content I'd like to see added" but I'm mildly miffed there isn't more content for Quin! I like his personality a LOT but he feels in some ways the least developed of the companions. I also tend to favor non-tease combat since I'm a nerd who likes casting spells etc, so I also wish he had more utility in game beyond seduction... maybe another set of armor like Brint etc.

speaking of armor sets, Berwyn also only has the one as far as I know, which is a shame since he actively talks about working on magic (summoning flame elementals etc) and has multiple existing routes you can take his personality. I know a lot of the recent content has skewed towards women and dickgirls because that's what the majority of players enjoy, but it is sad that some characters I actively like haven't had new content in a while...

(this isn't that much of a gripe by the way, if anything it's just me going "wah you made these boys too likable, write more" lol)

 

[SH60]

speaking of armor sets, Berwyn also only has the one as far as I know, which is a shame since he actively talks about working on magic (summoning flame elementals etc) and has multiple existing routes you can take his personality.

Same It would be cool if Berwyn had a different armor set if he's sub or dom.

 

[cinaedus]

Same It would be cool if Berwyn had a different armor set if he's sub or dom.

YES agreed!! I have a lot of Berwyn ideas but different armor sets based on maxing out either dom or sub behavior with him would be so so cool...

I could see him becoming more of a healer-y support with summons and buffs if he subs and more DPS focused if he doms, for instance (ideally along with some physical changes if we're writing out wishlists lol)

Also unrelated but while I'm talking about Quin, more variety in his sex scenes would be nice. He's kind of a...soft dom I guess, is the impression I get? But it would be nice to have multiple "routes" with him ala Brint and Berwyn. I suppose they could be "corruption and purification" or something since he was an ex-cultist, influencing him to lean further into demonic magic or not? Or the usual dom/sub routes...

He also has dialogue calling Berwyn a "buttslut in denial" so PLEASE let them have a sex scene together, that would be so fun...

 

[Animalistic]

Both of them are getting some action.

 

[Tide Hunter]

I like his personality a LOT but he feels in some ways the least developed of the companions

I still feel like that goes more towards Atugia, though she isn't really forgotten at least.

 

[Animalistic]

He also has dialogue calling Berwyn a "buttslut in denial" so PLEASE let them have a sex scene together, that would be so fun...

Would it not be more fun if Berwyn turned tables on him. Either riding him into the ground or just knoting hus ass. To go against expectation and because it is hot.

But he has a scene planbed where Quin fucks Berwyn and you get to watch.

 

[WolframL]

Most of those people have been there for decades if not their whole lives, Aurera and Claire are implied to be more recent arrivals with the former explicitly having left Jassira for Reasons that she doesn't want to talk about. And they're worried enough about their image that they make you do a favor for them before they'll be open to sex.

Meanwhile, this is also a town where Sugo can flounce in and offer 'rides' without causing an uproar so it's not like a scantily-clad anubian who's offering non-sexual services is going to make anybody bat an eye.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

It doesn't take decades to put on clothes that don't risk your nips from popping out.

It does if your world runs on porn logic.

 

[Emerald]

yeah porn logic makes things easy to forgive, like how a big portion of mallachs religion is child grooming and how nareva plays with fetuses.

Wat...

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Wat...

Nareva's gothmanders apparently have some mutating in the womb at her discretion if I'm remembering right. Basically ye olde eugenics. And Mallach's temples raise kids in the religion which can be viewed as grooming with extra steps and a dash cultism.

 

[Stupid_Goo]

And Mallach's temples raise kids in the religion which can be viewed as grooming with extra steps and a dash cultism.

like how a big portion of mallachs religion is child grooming

Cease and desist.
This is a real problem and this kind of joke ain't funny.
Less grooming and more "Alright kids, we're gonna make you smart and when you're old enough, you'll be doing the kinky for your job."
Actual grooming involves some real shitty practices and some equally shitty people that do it, kind of like how people that sleep around with everybody and hide whatever happens from everone else.

I'd make this my gripe, but it isn't CoC2 related - seeing posts like this on these threads is upsetting.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Cease and desist.
This is a real problem and this kind of joke ain't funny.
Less grooming and more "Alright kids, we're gonna make you smart and when you're old enough, you'll be doing the kinky for your job."
Actual grooming involves some real shitty practices and some equally shitty people that do it, kind of like how people that sleep around with everybody and hide whatever happens from everone else.

I'd make this my gripe, but it isn't CoC2 related - seeing posts like this on these threads is upsetting.

I didn't intend to upset you or make light of a serious issue. That is how I talk. I apologize for wording it in a way that is upsetting without actual tone. But do not jump to conclusions about my motives and accuse me of thinking this is truly a joking matter. I will concede that I could have and should have worded it better. I won't argue that. But do not open with cease and desist and make those assumptions about me that it's truly a joking matter to me and then follow up by lecturing and downplaying an uncomfortable practice in a video game. I have personally witnessed, though have not been the victim of personally in the interest of full disclosure, grooming. You couldn't have known that. But that doesn't mean you get to lecture and play moral guardian. And on the topic of the temple of Mallach, that is grooming. Yes they will be legal adults. Nothing illegal is happening. That is not what I meant. What I meant is that the temple raises children in a religion based on sex and while they do have the option to leave, most would be indoctrinated into those teachings and not question it. Something I personally have witnessed. I do apologize for poorly wording something and assuming that my usual tone would come across text. My intent was never to make fun of a true and serious issue. But do not play moral guardian and lecture me when you know nothing about me. I also want to say that my intention is not to come across as aggressive or make a religious debate.

 

[coffee with milk]

I don't think they're supposed to be viewed in a positive light., I'm iffy about using the term grooming because it has a very specific meaning. I think it's more of an indoctrination, almost like a cult.

Nareva has always seemed sus, so I'm not surprised she's doing strange stuff.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

I think it's more of an indoctrination, almost like a cult.

Yeah that definitely fits better and is a more appropriate word.

Nareva has always seemed sus, so I'm not surprised she's doing strange stuff.

I think I'd be more surprised if she wasn't doing weird stuff and messing with DNA.

 

[Linulanielly]

TL;DR: please, add an ability to remove prompts to kill someone. It is not a welcome train of thoughts for me in a sexual game. I hope I am not alone in this regard.

Concrete suggestions. Would be great if all of them were implemented in the game:
- 1. consistent place for "Kill" button
Alraune, imps, centaur pack, Behemoth, different interactions with Kassyra - they often have the "Kill" (or analogue) button in different places.
Would be great if it was moved aside to accentuate the significance of the action and also away from the cluster of after battle sexy scenes.
Also having it in the same spot removes effect of nudging the player in some direction (1st option may be viewed as a suggested default in some cases)
I would suggest to use the "d" key: all sexy scenes will have plenty of space and not dance around it or approaching dangerously close. And it is not adjacent to "Leave" button either.
- 2. option to hide "kill" button
Just seeing the button is always a massive blow to my libido and arousal. Instead of sexy times I start thinking about why on Earth should I want to kill someone and I do not want the sexy thoughts and murder thoughts to be associated with each other.
Would be great to have checkbox in the menu to hide all kill buttons with warning that it will lock off the player from certain story paths. E.g. no option to kill Alraune.
- 3. always leave to the player the decision of killing someone with their hands.
I don't like that Taldahs is killed in corrupted centaur village path, rather than being imprisoned for example.
Just changing a couple of sentences with addition of options for the player of killing or imprisoning would be great. There is no need for adding interactions with imprisoned Taldahs. Just one sentence of him being in a prison or bound or or under guard or something is enough. If you are O.K. with the idea I can find all the places in text where changes should be made (I think there are only 2 really.)

TL;DR of what is below:

• I am just trying to justify a desire for pacifist friendly corrupt centaur village resolution.
• Request: Please, do not force hard/impossible choices on the players (e.g. either you end the life of that person to stop them or they will end a life of another).

I am very grateful for the fact the bimbo personality overrides the Pure and the Dark Knight ones. I can romance Kassyra and do all sorts of horny stuff with corrupted individuals without being an asshole towards anyone (how I see the Dark Knight).
And I always viewed the pure champion as a sort of inquisition on a mission to purge those who think and live differently - so I do not like them usually as well.
While I see the bimbo champion as a friendly, happy, kind, sexually unrestrained and highly libidinous person.

I am trying to play with a mindset "live and let live" i.e. if corrupted individuals do not impose on free will of others (rape is a big no-no for me) I do not have any problems with them and actually usually prefer their sexual culture over the rest of the world: it feels to me like it has more freedom and not bound by social norms and what not. They just enjoy each other's bodies without being afraid of hurting someone's feelings and are open and straightforward about it. If they DO however impose on free will of others, I see it my duty as a champion to make sure they will stop doing that.
I like end results of quests for Alraune and queen Nyzerrah: there is a way for peaceful resolution without any murder involved.

So if the majority of the centaurs want to change their way of life into one of constant sex - I would not want to force them to live differently (and my bimbo character prefers their new sex drive anyway or more accurately: I find the fact they want to just have sex all the time without bothering about complex social matters very hot and attractive.).
What I am getting at: I want the centaur village to stay "corrupted" and the Ahmri's attempt to persuade her father to fail. Not taking these 2 into account it seems the majority of the village populace is quite happy with their new way of life. But I do not want to kill Taldahs. There is a saying: "Ask them, tell them, make them", i.e. even if there is something you need to happen at all costs a polite person would ask first, upon receiving a refusal they would tell/command/demand to do it anyway. And only upon another refusal will they actively try to force their will on others. If Taldahs absolutely refuses to stop attacking others then we have to deal with him violently - I am O.K. with that. And we did - we fought him.
But after defeating him I would prefer to imprison him rather than outright killing him - this is some very barbaric way of treating your defeated enemy. And since I defeat him using Teasing attacks there is no way for him to die in battle. I cannot see why a bimbo champion would kill her defeated enemy. But I can see how she would choose an outcome with more sexual activity involved (how she could prefer to support those who are on board with the corrupted centaur village rather than attempting to purify Taldahs or, more accurately, let him re-brainwash the populace after he changes his own mind.)
Would be great if you added the imprisonment choice and changed a few sentences depending on that. Just in the aftermath of the fight and in the description of his room where he is imprisoned (for simplicity). There is no need to add any interactions with him. Though I suppose that would leave the door open if someone would want to write one and submit for your approval.

P.s. I am yet to force myself to read through all of Gweyr's quest (skimmed through it just to see if it is finished and what kind of content is their and what new powers, items and such). But I am hoping if there are more opportunities to end a life of some sapient being the decision will be left to the player. Imprisonment always seems to me as a better option. And I do hope you will not force heavy choices on players in your game: I would rather not choose between several bad options. Give me a Disney happy ending, please! For me this game is about journey rather than destination. But it would suck if that journey was sullied by having to make hard decisions. Please, leave those to the real life (sadly there are plenty of those already) and not to a sex-focused fantasy world, where I would rather feel safe and relaxed and just enjoy myself.

Thank you for reading it all!

 

[WolframL]

And I always viewed the pure champion as a sort of inquisition on a mission to purge those who think and live differently - so I do not like them usually as well.

Uhhhh, where are you getting that, because it's nowhere in the game? Here's what the design doc has to say about the Champion personality:

Champion : Low corruption is not necessarily chaste, but is compassionate and good-natured, much like the "Kind" of TiTS, though they may have a slight snarky streak. Champion PCs are more eager to help people, even at a cost to themselves, and are more willing to engage with lovers in mutually-beneficial ways rather than demanding their needs be met first and foremost.

There's literally nothing like your mental image of someone wanting to play moral crusader in that description, nor does the Champ voice thoughts like that in the game.

I am trying to play with a mindset "live and let live" i.e. if corrupted individuals do not impose on free will of others (rape is a big no-no for me) I do not have any problems with them
<snip>
So if the majority of the centaurs want to change their way of life into one of constant sex - I would not want to force them to live differently (and my bimbo character prefers their new sex drive anyway or more accurately: I find the fact they want to just have sex all the time without bothering about complex social matters very hot and attractive.).

You missed the part where the corrupted centaurs are going around and raping everyone they can get their hands on, including turning the Champion, your allies and a whole bunch of anonymous characters into breeding stock if you Bad End to them...

 

[Linulanielly]

Uhhhh, where are you getting that, because it's nowhere in the game?

I mostly referred to what a pure champion will do to the downed corrupted enemy. It always seemed to me they would be the one to choose the killing option. Hence the inquisition reference. AFAIK you do not get any corruption for killing centaur leaders and imps and Alraune - hence it is viewed as "pure" option at least in game mechanics.
I did not describe their interactions with their loved ones or even just acquaintances.

You missed the part where the corrupted centaurs are going around and raping everyone they can get their hands on

Well, that is why my champ is taking matters in their own hands. Even in the corrupt village path the disciples of the cult left the village. And, as far as I understood it, the remaining centaurs under your rule do not go out on raiding parties anymore.

I do not advocate for them being kindhearted (there are mentions of slave trade in the descriptions of the rooms?). I just wanted to point out that not only those who role play as champions who want to spread destruction and suffering and what not would choose the corrupted centaur village path. I am interested in what that place will become for both champion's choices (there are not much content for now ((( ).
But for a bimbo champ even if she is on board with corruption it seems weird to me to kill Taldahs. And I would rather have an option of not doing it.

 

[DJ_Arashi_Rora]

TL;DR: please, add an ability to remove prompts to kill someone. It is not a welcome train of thoughts for me in a sexual game. I hope I am not alone in this regard.

Concrete suggestions. Would be great if all of them were implemented in the game:
- 1. consistent place for "Kill" button
Alraune, imps, centaur pack, Behemoth, different interactions with Kassyra - they often have the "Kill" (or analogue) button in different places.
Would be great if it was moved aside to accentuate the significance of the action and also away from the cluster of after battle sexy scenes.
Also having it in the same spot removes effect of nudging the player in some direction (1st option may be viewed as a suggested default in some cases)
I would suggest to use the "d" key: all sexy scenes will have plenty of space and not dance around it or approaching dangerously close. And it is not adjacent to "Leave" button either.
- 2. option to hide "kill" button
Just seeing the button is always a massive blow to my libido and arousal. Instead of sexy times I start thinking about why on Earth should I want to kill someone and I do not want the sexy thoughts and murder thoughts to be associated with each other.
Would be great to have checkbox in the menu to hide all kill buttons with warning that it will lock off the player from certain story paths. E.g. no option to kill Alraune.
- 3. always leave to the player the decision of killing someone with their hands.
I don't like that Taldahs is killed in corrupted centaur village path, rather than being imprisoned for example.
Just changing a couple of sentences with addition of options for the player of killing or imprisoning would be great. There is no need for adding interactions with imprisoned Taldahs. Just one sentence of him being in a prison or bound or or under guard or something is enough. If you are O.K. with the idea I can find all the places in text where changes should be made (I think there are only 2 really.)

TL;DR of what is below:

• I am just trying to justify a desire for pacifist friendly corrupt centaur village resolution.
• Request: Please, do not force hard/impossible choices on the players (e.g. either you end the life of that person to stop them or they will end a life of another).

I am very grateful for the fact the bimbo personality overrides the Pure and the Dark Knight ones. I can romance Kassyra and do all sorts of horny stuff with corrupted individuals without being an asshole towards anyone (how I see the Dark Knight).
And I always viewed the pure champion as a sort of inquisition on a mission to purge those who think and live differently - so I do not like them usually as well.
While I see the bimbo champion as a friendly, happy, kind, sexually unrestrained and highly libidinous person.

I am trying to play with a mindset "live and let live" i.e. if corrupted individuals do not impose on free will of others (rape is a big no-no for me) I do not have any problems with them and actually usually prefer their sexual culture over the rest of the world: it feels to me like it has more freedom and not bound by social norms and what not. They just enjoy each other's bodies without being afraid of hurting someone's feelings and are open and straightforward about it. If they DO however impose on free will of others, I see it my duty as a champion to make sure they will stop doing that.
I like end results of quests for Alraune and queen Nyzerrah: there is a way for peaceful resolution without any murder involved.

So if the majority of the centaurs want to change their way of life into one of constant sex - I would not want to force them to live differently (and my bimbo character prefers their new sex drive anyway or more accurately: I find the fact they want to just have sex all the time without bothering about complex social matters very hot and attractive.).
What I am getting at: I want the centaur village to stay "corrupted" and the Ahmri's attempt to persuade her father to fail. Not taking these 2 into account it seems the majority of the village populace is quite happy with their new way of life. But I do not want to kill Taldahs. There is a saying: "Ask them, tell them, make them", i.e. even if there is something you need to happen at all costs a polite person would ask first, upon receiving a refusal they would tell/command/demand to do it anyway. And only upon another refusal will they actively try to force their will on others. If Taldahs absolutely refuses to stop attacking others then we have to deal with him violently - I am O.K. with that. And we did - we fought him.
But after defeating him I would prefer to imprison him rather than outright killing him - this is some very barbaric way of treating your defeated enemy. And since I defeat him using Teasing attacks there is no way for him to die in battle. I cannot see why a bimbo champion would kill her defeated enemy. But I can see how she would choose an outcome with more sexual activity involved (how she could prefer to support those who are on board with the corrupted centaur village rather than attempting to purify Taldahs or, more accurately, let him re-brainwash the populace after he changes his own mind.)
Would be great if you added the imprisonment choice and changed a few sentences depending on that. Just in the aftermath of the fight and in the description of his room where he is imprisoned (for simplicity). There is no need to add any interactions with him. Though I suppose that would leave the door open if someone would want to write one and submit for your approval.

P.s. I am yet to force myself to read through all of Gweyr's quest (skimmed through it just to see if it is finished and what kind of content is their and what new powers, items and such). But I am hoping if there are more opportunities to end a life of some sapient being the decision will be left to the player. Imprisonment always seems to me as a better option. And I do hope you will not force heavy choices on players in your game: I would rather not choose between several bad options. Give me a Disney happy ending, please! For me this game is about journey rather than destination. But it would suck if that journey was sullied by having to make hard decisions. Please, leave those to the real life (sadly there are plenty of those already) and not to a sex-focused fantasy world, where I would rather feel safe and relaxed and just enjoy myself.

Thank you for reading it all!

I'll just say that I actually like that our characters can and will kill people. That the PC in TiTS distant kill people that would very well kill them is in itself odd to me.

The game isn't in a Disney world, it is dark and awful. The PC is just lucky enough to not get caught up in most of it.

The "hard choice of one person or have them make a victim" isn't that hard. It's kill the mass murder or let him continue murdering. Killing the murder is the better option.

Edit: I would actually like more of fights like the Gwery's flash back where it feels brutal. Some of the fights feel like slap feasts when they could be more harrowing.