Your gripes with CoC II

[MarcoPolo121]

Okay, I'm about to go play the new patch that just dropped and frankly, I've been waiting for this moment for a while, so the rant I was working up while lying awake in bed at 6 in the morning will have to be this brief snippet instead:

I just don't care about plot holes or realistic logic problems in games, especially not porn games, as much as some of you guys do. If this was a movie or a book then sure, maybe I'd have harsher words, but this is a video game, a video game primarily about fucking everything with an open hole you meet, and I do not care about the narrative of games half as much as the playable/recruitable characters and the core gameplay loop of whatever game I'm playing. I love several games that have plots that are weak, thin, dull or just painfully straightforward because by having a strong cast of central characters and/or a primary gameplay loop that makes the neurons fire in my brain sastisfactorily, it doesn't matter. And honestly, I think it would do us all some good to remember the MST3K Mantra if we find ourselves going over points like this too often:

 

[CasualAntlerEnjoyer]

And honestly, I think it would do us all some good to remember the MST3K Mantra if we find ourselves going over points like this too often:

I respect your reasoning, but the lorewhore in me still wants to smack you with a frying pan for bringing up that dreaded thing.

 

[Tide Hunter]

Tiny gripe in that, in the scene where Garret is getting ready to get Gweyr back, he refers to Ryn in the third person. Assuming she's in you're party, she speaks up, mentioning that the one he's talking about is her, and he proceeds to continue talking about her in third person with no acknowledgement that she's there. It feels kinda awkward that he just completely ignores her like that. Would've been neater if he acknowledged this and addressed his next statement directly to her, instead of talking like she's not there.

Spoiler: Image

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Wait, you named your character "Luminescent"?

 

[Melancholy Man]

Okay, I'm about to go play the new patch that just dropped and frankly, I've been waiting for this moment for a while, so the rant I was working up while lying awake in bed at 6 in the morning will have to be this brief snippet instead:

I just don't care about plot holes or realistic logic problems in games, especially not porn games, as much as some of you guys do. If this was a movie or a book then sure, maybe I'd have harsher words, but this is a video game, a video game primarily about fucking everything with an open hole you meet, and I do not care about the narrative of games half as much as the playable/recruitable characters and the core gameplay loop of whatever game I'm playing. I love several games that have plots that are weak, thin, dull or just painfully straightforward because by having a strong cast of central characters and/or a primary gameplay loop that makes the neurons fire in my brain sastisfactorily, it doesn't matter. And honestly, I think it would do us all some good to remember the MST3K Mantra if we find ourselves going over points like this too often:

I respect the mindset to turn your brain off or ignore the things you don't like to enjoy the things you do, but there are lvls to the amount of bs ppl can tolerate before ppl just say it's a silly little low effort game, dismissing all the hard work ppl put in. I keep seeing the defense that its a porn game but folks forget Fate Stay Night was a porn game, but the story was so put together that you could lose yourself in it; Monstergirl quest had a banger of a story with character arcs, moments of contemplation, whole side-stories, and it kept the plotholes to a minimum while still serving copious amounts of fetish porn. We're all adults here, things don't have to be brainless.

 

[Nuin]

I respect the mindset to turn your brain off or ignore the things you don't like to enjoy the things you do, but there are lvls to the amount of bs ppl can tolerate before ppl just say it's a silly little low effort game, dismissing all the hard work ppl put in. I keep seeing the defense that its a porn game but folks forget Fate Stay Night was a porn game, but the story was so put together that you could lose yourself in it; Monstergirl quest had a banger of a story with character arcs, moments of contemplation, whole side-stories, and it kept the plotholes to a minimum while still serving copious amounts of fetish porn. We're all adults here, things don't have to be brainless.

And they were all VNs, something quite different than CoC. Also, I remember you bickering about CoC2's bad combat system and what could be changed "to make it great again" aswell? Monster Girl Quest had an absolutely straightforward, shallow combat system that left no choices and was rinse and repeat… right now however it's used as a prime example albeit being a completely different type of game altogether. I don't remember having the choice of either following Alice or Ilias in the original trilogy, do you? The whole story is written without one semblance of self-control regarding the player. So regarding story-writing you are right now comparing not even apples against pears, but rather sweet potato against oranges. Something entirely and coherently different. And right now I really do have to say your constant suggestions for improvement and "critique" (which through it's frequency I started calling nitpicking for myself) does start getting obnoxious to read albeit it just being two or three days you started…

Your attitude seeping out between your writing simply spells bs for me - to say it with your words.

 

[Tide Hunter]

Wait, you named your character "Luminescent"?

Yeah, that character was one of two I created with the specific goal of having them become a Valkyrie. The other's called "Holy Blade," which is even less of a name lol.

 

[Kingu2]

I feel that I should say that I do like CoC2 immensly despite all that I critisize it for. The story and gameplay are both exceptional and the smut is top notch. I wouldn't give this game nearly as much attention as I do if I didn't enjoy it. There are lots of games that I love that have very flawed stories. hell Fallout 3 is one of my all time favorite games. Just because I acknoledge and point out the flaws in a story doesn't mean I hate it. So please don't take my critisizm as some kind of attack or that I'm having some kind of meltdown or something.

 

[wolfraider13]

And they were all VNs, something quite different than CoC. Also, I remember you bickering about CoC2's bad combat system and what could be changed "to make it great again" aswell? Monster Girl Quest had an absolutely straightforward, shallow combat system that left no choices and was rinse and repeat… right now however it's used as a prime example albeit being a completely different type of game altogether. I don't remember having the choice of either following Alice or Ilias in the original trilogy, do you? The whole story is written without one semblance of self-control regarding the player. So regarding story-writing you are right now comparing not even apples against pears, but rather sweet potato against oranges. Something entirely and coherently different. And right now I really do have to say your constant suggestions for improvement and "critique" (which through it's frequency I started calling nitpicking for myself) does start getting obnoxious to read albeit it just being two or three days you started…

Your attitude seeping out between your writing simply spells bs for me - to say it with your words.

Cool Signature...That's it...that's all I got...

 

[Melancholy Man]

And they were all VNs, something quite different than CoC. Also, I remember you bickering about CoC2's bad combat system and what could be changed "to make it great again" aswell? Monster Girl Quest had an absolutely straightforward, shallow combat system that left no choices and was rinse and repeat… right now however it's used as a prime example albeit being a completely different type of game altogether. I don't remember having the choice of either following Alice or Ilias in the original trilogy, do you? The whole story is written without one semblance of self-control regarding the player. So regarding story-writing you are right now comparing not even apples against pears, but rather sweet potato against oranges. Something entirely and coherently different. And right now I really do have to say your constant suggestions for improvement and "critique" (which through it's frequency I started calling nitpicking for myself) does start getting obnoxious to read albeit it just being two or three days you started…

Your attitude seeping out between your writing simply spells bs for me - to say it with your words.

And what attitude is that exactly? If I give a critique on something I give a potential fix, I don't give out asshole comments with no grounds. I provide a reason and evidence; on that note you can quote me since you've been reading my posts, don't put words in my mouth. If you push me, I push you, if you talk nice, I talk nice; I give the same energy I get.
I drew on MGQ and Fate S/N as examples of porn games with solid, engaging stories with a similar presentation style. Don't twist my words to suit your argument; I also like how you olayed the fact that Fate S/N used different routes and player-agency to a certain extent to do a character study on its MC.
How is noticing multiple grammar errors and misspellings nitpicking when they happen so frequently, noticing severe plotholes is nitpick? I guess we just see things differently. Whenever I have a nitpick I call it a nitpick, like my 'flavor text for combat' posts. Maybe the fact that one of the main advertised features of the game being the TFs actually wholes no grounds on story, narrative, and barely affects combat; only used as copy-paste surface level references to the player's appearance also a nitpick?
I like the game, and its concepts, and its got ideas cooking for quest design but I'm not into giving mindless praise.

 

[Melancholy Man]

Well I've just finished all the Ashe's cave content, definitely not for me on the account that its all

Spoiler

"PC becomes a fucktoy"

theming of it for both Azzy and Eve. I'd really hope they do a neutral option or just give us an option to circumvent the requirement for the spear and just give us the TF.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

I'd really hope they do a neutral option or just give us an option to circumvent the requirement for the spear and just give us the TF.

That is NOT going to happen, and as we've said before you can just have Azzy take the spear out and switch her back to whatever set you were using before.

 

[Dude_with_bad_english]

SFMBE

Ok, time for a little grumbling.
It would be great if some options had more clarification in the description. I know that most of the buttons are self-explanatory, but there are a few pitfalls here. Where there in sex option you get something extra and description mentions it, that's great, but if it doesn't then you might get an unwanted surprise. Especially if it changes the character's attitude towards you or affects the content with him in general.
Specifically, this concerns content with Evelyn. In the first encounter, out of pure curiosity, I looked out the door. And the scene elicited an "oh shit, I'm sorry!" reaction, I closed the door and decided to talk to the lady later, because there's always an opportunity to talk later, right? Wrong, turns out the button I labeled as the option to be embarrassed/show some politeness actually erases the character with all of her content.
And when the patch with dommy Azzy appeared I had to go to Wiki in order to remember that this character even exists and what the deal is with her.
Not that I'm upset about losing one character and some of the possible side quest content. The whole "submit to me immediately or don't talk to me ever again" situation with Evelyn is not my cup of tea. Well, at least not for the current run. But man, a little bit of clarification would have been nice.

 

[Melancholy Man]

SFMBE

Ok, time for a little grumbling.
It would be great if some options had more clarification in the description. I know that most of the buttons are self-explanatory, but there are a few pitfalls here. Where there in sex option you get something extra and description mentions it, that's great, but if it doesn't then you might get an unwanted surprise. Especially if it changes the character's attitude towards you or affects the content with him in general.
Specifically, this concerns content with Evelyn. In the first encounter, out of pure curiosity, I looked out the door. And the scene elicited an "oh shit, I'm sorry!" reaction, I closed the door and decided to talk to the lady later, because there's always an opportunity to talk later, right? Wrong, turns out the button I labeled as the option to be embarrassed/show some politeness actually erases the character with all of her content.
And when the patch with dommy Azzy appeared I had to go to Wiki in order to remember that this character even exists and what the deal is with her.
Not that I'm upset about losing one character and some of the possible side quest content. The whole "submit to me immediately or don't talk to me ever again" situation with Evelyn is not my cup of tea. Well, at least not for the current run. But man, a little bit of clarification would have been nice.

Right?! Like, why can't we just be friends -I'm perfectly fine being her wingman- and have a decent convo, why I gotta be on her mike spiting lyrics?

 

[Melancholy Man]

That is NOT going to happen, and as we've said before you can just have Azzy take the spear out and switch her back to whatever set you were using before.

well shit, guess she's stuck in her cave now

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Really? That's your stance? "Oh doing this one sidequest unlocks an OPTION for one of my sidekicks or an NPC I never have to interact with, that (in the former's case) can be switched off at any time, but I don't like it so I'll just leave an NPC to DIE HORRIBLY AND SLOWLY." I find that kind of nutso.

 

[Animalistic]

Why yes, I would doom a dragon to her death just because she is not willing to give me power. If that spear can make even as someone as useless as Evelyn a fighter, just imagine if it had someone like the champion wield its boons. But since it is from bygone era where only high nobility was considered worthy of its boons, I will honor it's tradition of letting people down and let it fade away like the relic it is. For it does not belong in more developed times.

 

[CasualAntlerEnjoyer]

Really? That's your stance? "Oh doing this one sidequest unlocks an OPTION for one of my sidekicks or an NPC I never have to interact with, that (in the former's case) can be switched off at any time, but I don't like it so I'll just leave an NPC to DIE HORRIBLY AND SLOWLY." I find that kind of nutso.

Considering we have things like the magical nuke under the Hawkethorne temple that people attempt to handwave by saying the timeline branches so that it only exists if you start building the temple or some nonsense, probably not the right person to be taking up this sort of grievance with to be honest. Whose to say Ashe even exists as she does if you never procced her first scene?

And also considering the questline is initially spun to just be about a tea delivery, there's also the simple headcanon that the champion didn't think it was actually that important whilst they deal with the potential end of the world as they know it, and thus has no idea there's a dying dragon in a cave somewhere.

 

[YEsManKablaam]

So, besides me accidentally wiping my file again...which is a shame tha'ts 365 in game days undone (god getting kiyoko kids back the grind is looming)... But after a few major updates I suppose I can start workin my way back and see how things are.

My minor gripe this time is I usually set up my PC with excessive amount of cum getting the potion from that one orc guy and stuff liek that. But I don't want people perpetually pregnant so I take the brown leaf thing (or whatever it's called that makes you not impregnate anyone) since i can't just make everyone not get pregnant so it ends up in a weird spot where a few scenes, i forget which ones exactly just don't work cause you aren't like virile enough i guess cause i took the leaf and there's some comments on it and like I get it to an extent but honestly I feel I would like the brown leaf more if it was literally just a turn on turn off pregnancy thing and not effect scenes itself.

It's not a big deal in the slightest honestly but it bugs me a bit so I feel I hafta just leave the leaf off and then Brienne goes from pregnant to pregnant and then i end up not wanting to take her out cause that's not okay to me when i have other companion choices and it ends up as a whole thing.

Maybe I just wanna ask Brienne to take contraceptives herself but ah well no option for that lol...And then there's characters like Elthara too and I'm sure a few others that i usually have this problem with.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

So, besides me accidentally wiping my file again...which is a shame tha'ts 365 in game days undone (god getting kiyoko kids back the grind is looming)... But after a few major updates I suppose I can start workin my way back and see how things are.

You might be able to load from Auto-save. Unless you mean you erased all the cookies/browser data that would secure it. Either way it might be a good idea to download it a save file for future proofing.

 

[YEsManKablaam]

You might be able to load from Auto-save. Unless you mean you erased all the cookies/browser data that would secure it. Either way it might be a good idea to download it a save file for future proofing.

yeah it was wiping my browser data. I probably should see about doing that tbh. Cause I forget and then like a long long long while later end up doing that and just whoops.

 

[Ultra Chad]

So, besides me accidentally wiping my file again...which is a shame tha'ts 365 in game days undone (god getting kiyoko kids back the grind is looming)... But after a few major updates I suppose I can start workin my way back and see how things are.

My minor gripe this time is I usually set up my PC with excessive amount of cum getting the potion from that one orc guy and stuff liek that. But I don't want people perpetually pregnant so I take the brown leaf thing (or whatever it's called that makes you not impregnate anyone) since i can't just make everyone not get pregnant so it ends up in a weird spot where a few scenes, i forget which ones exactly just don't work cause you aren't like virile enough i guess cause i took the leaf and there's some comments on it and like I get it to an extent but honestly I feel I would like the brown leaf more if it was literally just a turn on turn off pregnancy thing and not effect scenes itself.

It's not a big deal in the slightest honestly but it bugs me a bit so I feel I hafta just leave the leaf off and then Brienne goes from pregnant to pregnant and then i end up not wanting to take her out cause that's not okay to me when i have other companion choices and it ends up as a whole thing.

Maybe I just wanna ask Brienne to take contraceptives herself but ah well no option for that lol...And then there's characters like Elthara too and I'm sure a few others that i usually have this problem with.

I have the opposite problem as I want to impregnate all the woman I sleep with but that is not possible right now.

 

[Melancholy Man]

Really? That's your stance? "Oh doing this one sidequest unlocks an OPTION for one of my sidekicks or an NPC I never have to interact with, that (in the former's case) can be switched off at any time, but I don't like it so I'll just leave an NPC to DIE HORRIBLY AND SLOWLY." I find that kind of nutso.

yeah, I'm good, I don't particularly appreciate playing puppet for the writer unless it's a properly thought-out scenario. She's on life support and will probably outlive us if we're going to get technical about things.

 

[Melancholy Man]

It's not a big deal in the slightest honestly but it bugs me a bit so I feel I hafta just leave the leaf off and then Brienne goes from pregnant to pregnant and then i end up not wanting to take her out cause that's not okay to me when i have other companion choices and it ends up as a whole thing.

Maybe I just wanna ask Brienne to take contraceptives herself but ah well no option for that lol...And then there's characters like Elthara too and I'm sure a few others that i usually have this problem with.

The pain of being a Brienne-Stand is that you are perpetually locked into the child support system
Tho I get you, she should have like a built-in child limit or something.

 

[Lolipop]

Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but I think we seriously need better unique, single-handed weapons for Black mages.

We currently don't have a single unique item that sounds impressive: whereas warriors get the "Dawnsword" or "Wings of Sorra," black mages are left with a less than glamorous "control rod" that has extremely mediocre stats due to the latest rework, plus it's a gift from Kinu as opposed to a trophy won in combat (plus its gated behind Kiyoko content, which ain't for everyone)

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Honestly surprised they didn't give us more Black Mage stuff in the Berwyn dungeon.

 

[Tide Hunter]

Honestly surprised they didn't give us more Black Mage stuff in the Berwyn dungeon.

Yeah, pretty much the only things were a spell and the Titanic Hat having a strong spellpower buff. But given the latest patch notes, I presume it's been nerfed.

"control rod" that has extremely mediocre stats due to the latest rework,

I do have to wonder, what the specific number tweaks are. For all four nerfed things, really.

 

[Mostof1]

The game feels weird without the resolve bar. Winning through arousal was an interesting alternative winning condition that added more flavor to combat. Now teasing feels just like any other attack.

It also breaks immersion when showing boobs hurts the enemy like they've been hit with a fire spell.

They should add a replacement or at least the option to toggle it back.

 

[Sacremas]

Yeah, pretty much the only things were a spell and the Titanic Hat having a strong spellpower buff. But given the latest patch notes, I presume it's been nerfed.

I do have to wonder, what the specific number tweaks are. For all four nerfed things, really.

The Titanic Hat can either give a large (12 points I think it is) Spellpower, Attack Power or Sexiness bonus, depending on what your highest stat of Strength, Willpower and Presence, I think it's been slightly nerfed from 15 points, and it used to give the other misc stats that the regular hat from the Old Forest gave you, but now it only gives that stat boost and nothing else.

 

[Lolipop]

Yeah, pretty much the only things were a spell and the Titanic Hat having a strong spellpower buff. But given the latest patch notes, I presume it's been nerfed.

I do have to wonder, what the specific number tweaks are. For all four nerfed things, really.

The hat ain't that good (any more). The crown from the latest Etheryn quest is arguably better.